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Cap and Ironman - 5/9/2016 10:48:56 PM

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I just watched Cap America Civil War yesterday.

Man, seriously, Cap is like the classic republican, and Ironman is like the dems!

It's like watching a whole analogy of the struggles of the two parties in the US.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 9:58:44 AM

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ah greta, you'll have to elaborate a bit on those designations.

figuratively speaking, how are ironman and captain America analogous to republicans and democrats?

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 10:08:24 AM

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Cap america and deadpool is probably a better analogy.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 10:17:30 AM

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I just watched Cap America Civil War yesterday.

Man, seriously, Cap is like the classic republican, and Ironman is like the dems!

It's like watching a whole analogy of the struggles of the two parties in the US.

Not the Steve Englehart, Mark Guenwald or Jack Kirby take on Rogers, then.

(Or even the Mark Millar one, as I recall it being Stark who was written as a drooling authoritarian fucktard in the Civil War comics.)

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 10:55:58 AM

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I just watched Cap America Civil War yesterday.

Man, seriously, Cap is like the classic republican, and Ironman is like the dems!

It's like watching a whole analogy of the struggles of the two parties in the US.

Not the Steve Englehart, Mark Guenwald or Jack Kirby take on Rogers, then.

(Or even the Mark Millar one, as I recall it being Stark who was written as a drooling authoritarian fucktard in the Civil War comics.)

Exactly, Stark wanted oversite, and government control over everything, particularly the ability of people to protect themselves. Captian America wanted individual independence. Stark was a big time lib, Cap was a libertarian. Rogers was always in favor of indiviuality there is no change.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 11:02:44 AM

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/10/2016 11:16:11 AM

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Nope.
I'd have pegged Rogers as the sort of old school vaguely conservative conservative that seems to be out of fashion now (which plays nicely with the whole "man out of time" thing in the better comics) rather than a Libertarian.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/11/2016 6:11:05 PM

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Also one other thing.
Ironman is more emotional.
Cap is more steady and rational.

But Cap definitely is fighting for less government control and personal responsibility.

Ironman wants government to be responsible for them and make decisions for them. So that when things go wrong, the government can be blamed, and he doesn't have to take personal responsibility.

Very much the whole rep versus dem agenda.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:14:06 AM

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Also one other thing.
Ironman is more emotional.
Cap is more steady and rational.

But Cap definitely is fighting for less government control and personal responsibility.

Ironman wants government to be responsible for them and make decisions for them. So that when things go wrong, the government can be blamed, and he doesn't have to take personal responsibility.

Very much the whole rep versus dem agenda.

If you're stupid enough to believe that the Republicans have any interest in banging on about "small government" as anything other than an excuse to cut the upper tax band, and that the Democrats all want to be Josef Stalin when they grow up, I suppose. Otherwise, no.
(As for emotional, one of the most famous Captain America stories from the '70s has him renouncing that role and taking on a new identity after finding that one of the many sub-hydra conspiracies was headed by Richard Nixon and so America had betrayed him. Emo much?)

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:32:21 AM

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That's understandably not emo at all. As that's betrayal.

I would think the original old school American values is really to have as little government interference as possible in EVERYTHING. It's about just being self-reliant and not government reliant. That's uniquely old school American.

The European countries has always been about government taking care of the people, the government being responsible for the people. I think they were the originators of what Nanny state means. I certainly didn't have Stalin in mind. I saw it more as baby sitting.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:48:18 AM

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The European countries has always been about government taking care of the people, the government being responsible for the people.

That'll be news to Louis XIV or Cromwell. "Always" began in the '40s, did it?

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:54:56 AM

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Technically, a King is suppose to look after the welfare of their people, take care of them, but unfortunately, since King is by birth and not people elected. They get corrupted rulers.
Not that the corrupt don't get elected today, as seen in South Africa.

But at least there is a chance of changing leadership every few years.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:57:32 AM

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Technically, a King is suppose to look after the welfare of their people, take care of them, but unfortunately, since King is by birth and elected. They get corrupted rulers.

Wrong. There is no social contract of any sort between a King and the rest of a population in a feudal society. This is why the divine right of kings and feudalism have become unfashionable concepts since the eighteenth century.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 4:58:59 AM

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Wrong. There is no social contract of any sort between a King and the rest of a population in a feudal society. This is why the divine right of kings and feudalism have become unfashionable concepts since the eighteenth century.

There doesn't have to be a social contract.
But the idealise good King is someone who takes care of his people. He helps them when they are in need and help them solve problems.

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RE: Cap and Ironman - 5/12/2016 7:17:05 AM

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But the idealise good King is someone who takes care of his people. He helps them when they are in need and help them solve problems.

Historically, most Kings have not seen that as part of their job description, sadly. That type of king only seems to turn in folk stories and the Old Testament.

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