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DoctorDubious -> RE: Pain & Pleasure (7/19/2006 4:15:04 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee
michael, Padraig has an interesting explanation of this phenomenon … He says anybody can be ‘taught’ this within weeks (if I remember correctly). He says it is as simple as alternating sexual pleasure with pain enough that the mind links the two and finally feels pain as sexual pleasure.
Keep in mind Pavlov’s dog; the ‘dinner bell’ and instant salivating? Same/same I think.
Anyway…I’d like to learn it. <sigh>
beverly
Hi Bearlee, Michael.... and all
Some people just love the abandon of extreme sensations,
and don't need to reframe it into labels like "pleasure" or "pain".
Some people have eroticised their response to "pain"
Some people long to be punished.
Some people long to be used and abused, then adored right after..
I lucked on early kinky experiences, and thought they were cool,
which is not all that uncommon.
Some people, perhaps most, had unusual fantasies,
which percolated and fermented in their minds
till they became realized desires.....
Some people seem to be "reverse-wired" in many ways,
so amphetamines slow them down, excitement relaxes 'em... blah blah
There are some not-so-dubious theories about endorphins,
but I really don't think they tell the whole story...
... this is all pretty well established mainstream stuff,
but without any real, respected, objective , physiological
clinical examination of kink and masochism that I'm aware of....
>>that the mind links the two
For some people, as Bearlee says... the name Pavlov rings a bell.
A basic trait of our mind + nervous system is to make associations.
Mommie's special tone of voice ==> she's angry ==> I feel shame.
Behaviorist talk about classical conditioning and operant conditioning.
If you are interested in a well-established,
easy-to-understand type of this conditioning,
google "clicker training" for dogs.
You should pick up a decent understanding
of classical behavioural training in 10-15 mins...
The "click" can be anything,
including the thud of a good flogging.
Think about it...
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Here's a really simple experiment
if you want to understand the "relativity"
of sensation in human neurology first hand...
Get 3 big bowls.
Half-fill the left hand bowl with ice-cold water,
and fill it to the top with ice cubes.
Let it really chill while you boil some water.
Fill the right hand bowl with really really hot water,
just as hot as you can bear.
Fill the middle bowl with room temp water.
Put your right hand in the hot bowl.
Left hand in the freezing bowl.
Keep 'em there as long as you can stand... maybe longer...
(this is a BDSM site, right?)
Then, put both hands at the same time
into the middle, room temp bowl of water.
Look at your hands and notice the relative sensations.
Actually doing this experiment might change your whole understanding
of how your nervous system works.
Just reading about it ain't worth a shit.
DD
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