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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/19/2006 8:29:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I live in an area where there are no groups that show people what to do, I began my learning about the use of toys by reading books and research on the internet.  As I purchased toys, I would (ouch) hit myself with them to get an idea of what force gave what sensation.  Of course, everyone has a different reaction to a toy, but trying it on myself gave me some idea of what was there.  When toys that require a lot more skills are involved, education becomes a necessity.  I dont feel anyone can learn the technique of using a singletail or a bullwhip by reading about it.  It requires some type of instruction and a great deal of practice.  Buying one doesnt bring skill, practice does.  I learned from an expert and followed his practice instructions.  There are pillows in my house that cringe if they hear the word whip.  That practice has a price for the one learning.  I have more scars on my hands from that practice than I have left in scenes. 

In my opinion, the mental part of WIITWD is something that is too often overlooked in the rush to accumulate toys.  If someone doesnt have the attitude and the presence to create a mental connection, all the toys in the world cant make it happen.  I dont think that the mental can be learned.  I think it is inherent and that is what causes someone to realize they are dominant.  I have seen threads where people want to try to learn to be a switch.  Yes, they can learn the toy techniques, but if they dont have the mental makeup, practice can make them a top, but not a dominant.  Perhaps that is the "switch dynamic", top/bottm as opposed to dominant/submissive.  Just a thought.    

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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/19/2006 8:37:30 PM   
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Since I live in an area where there are no groups that show people what to do, I began my learning about the use of toys by reading books and research on the internet.  As I purchased toys, I would (ouch) hit myself with them to get an idea of what force gave what sensation.  Of course, everyone has a different reaction to a toy, but trying it on myself gave me some idea of what was there.  When toys that require a lot more skills are involved, education becomes a necessity.  I dont feel anyone can learn the technique of using a singletail or a bullwhip by reading about it.  It requires some type of instruction and a great deal of practice.  Buying one doesnt bring skill, practice does.  I learned from an expert and followed his practice instructions.  There are pillows in my house that cringe if they hear the word whip.  That practice has a price for the one learning.  I have more scars on my hands from that practice than I have left in scenes. 


yessssssssss!!!  I couldn't agree more!  Practice, practice, practice!!!  (pillows are yer friends......your masochistic friends!)  LOL

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  In my opinion, the mental part of WIITWD is something that is too often overlooked in the rush to accumulate toys.  If someone doesnt have the attitude and the presence to create a mental connection, all the toys in the world cant make it happen.  I dont think that the mental can be learned.  I think it is inherent and that is what causes someone to realize they are dominant.  I have seen threads where people want to try to learn to be a switch.  Yes, they can learn the toy techniques, but if they dont have the mental makeup, practice can make them a top, but not a dominant.  Perhaps that is the "switch dynamic", top/bottm as opposed to dominant/submissive.  Just a thought.    


Yup, that would be me, Sir!  LOL

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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/19/2006 10:52:53 PM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 7:51:44 AM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 8:25:06 AM   
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wow.. you mean you DONT just learn it through osmosis??


At first I learned through reading and talking about it exclusively...smiles, I moved on to more advanced lessons


Julia...elaborate on these advanced lessons
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 10:02:46 AM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 1:45:52 PM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 1:47:22 PM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/20/2006 1:58:15 PM   
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I dunno, maybe it's just me but I LIKE research.  Even gardening; I'd be lousy at it if I tried to garden in Colorado like I did in California.  I read, I talk to people, I go see how others do it, I attend classes and seminars.  <shrugs>  Seems to me the whole enjoyment factor of anything increases exponentially by what it is you know about it.  No?  (and no, I do not mean to suggest expensive toys are what BDSM is about...I'm talking about many aspects including those other than physical). 
 
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/21/2006 8:40:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I had to laugh at Kree's comment about the pillows in the house cringing...boy have I been there, done that.  When I first started exploring floggers, I remember beating a foam cushion so badly, I swear it safeworded! 

And as for singletail whip scars....the first time I did some serious cracking (with a nicely broken in 6' bullwhip loaned to me by a very experienced whip handling friend), I didn't pay much attention to his warning "Long sleeved shirt, glasses, cowboy hat and thick jeans!"   I went for a circus crack and wound up with a nice welt on my forearm.  And yaooooch!  that cracker BITES HARD.  Next time I went out it was in full novice whipcracker drag, including the hat.

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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/21/2006 8:52:51 AM   
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... and wound up with a nice welt on my forearm.  And yaooooch!  that cracker BITES HARD. 


Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh  Wasn't it WONDERFUL???  Lucky YOU!!!  
 
So tell me, have you managed to put such welts on somebody else, yet?  Personally, I find 6' too hard to manage (and too long for indoor play at most places).  I got a little three-footer; a dog-quirt it's called.  It's black with a short, redish, split leather fall...looks like a snake!  I love it and it'll welt up a body with little effort.
 
I like to hear people practice! I've heard folks who only want to 'kiss' the flesh use balloons as target practice.
 
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/21/2006 10:29:25 AM   
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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/22/2006 3:47:29 PM   
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... and wound up with a nice welt on my forearm.  And yaooooch!  that cracker BITES HARD. 



Ooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh  Wasn't it WONDERFUL???  Lucky YOU!!!  
 
So tell me, have you managed to put such welts on somebody else, yet?  Personally, I find 6' too hard to manage (and too long for indoor play at most places).  I got a little three-footer; a dog-quirt it's called.  It's black with a short, redish, split leather fall...looks like a snake!  I love it and it'll welt up a body with little effort.
 
I like to hear people practice! I've heard folks who only want to 'kiss' the flesh use balloons as target practice.
 
bearlee


Bearlee, NO it wasn't wonderful...IT HURT.  I was pretty sure then, as I am now, that I make a rotten masochist.

I never have used one of my long bullwhips on a person.  I've used them in a scene to create an atmosphere.  I have used my 3' snake on a partner...it is pretty wicked, and the welting is severe.  But she was deeply into pain and pain play. 

I think you have to practice the physical skills involved in whipping, flogging, strapping, etc.  Otherwise how do you know how to do it so you don't make a mistake you and/or your partner will regret?  Even spanking takes skill to do it right.

Spending some time in Austin, TX and our hotel has this GREAT BIG cowhide sofa with the greatest leather/hide cushions.  I keep thinking its just the thing for a spanking session...but I think they'd throw us out...but the fantasy mmmmmm...

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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/22/2006 4:04:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I only learned what "WIITWD" was/meant a year or so ago, even though I was a full fledged freak 8 years ago (although I'll admit, I didn't know I was a freak...but that's another discussion altogether...).

I knew I was different ever since I was a child...but WIITWD never struck me as something unique.  It never struck me as something where I was in a special club. 

I learned WIITWD by wondering, asking, meandering through life with a katrillion questions (of course, I wasn't born early enough to enjoy the full fruits of the internet as a youth), often wondering if my questions even had answers, but ultimately finding a great deal of solace in the fact that...yepper...I'm a tad different than most.

That, along with my good fortune of having met some exceptional people in the lifestyle, one in particular, enabled me to find me.

I spent a very long time wondering who I might actually be. 

That's a hell of a thing to discover.

It's a good thing :)

(And by the way, 90% of the time when people in here use some ungainly acronym...I haven't a fucking clue what they're saying).

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RE: How do you learn WIITWD? - 7/22/2006 4:08:13 PM   
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<grinz broadly> awwww, I was teasin' ya Sir! 
 
Yummmmmm, your snake sounds delicious!  Yup, practice makes perfect.  Like I said...(somewhere)...even how to handle a flogger takes some education and experience.  Some think they can just pick one up and wail on a person; it's just not the case.  It's good to hear you take it seriously; seems all the best do! 
 
Isn't Austin lovely?  Have ya seen the bats???  They're great...
 
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