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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

So what if the office of mis-information bombarded ISIL with
- Bullets fired from American hands were fired by women hiding as men
or
- American bombs and missiles were coated with pig fat
or
- Lubricants for American weapons are made from pig fat
or
- Weapons exchange. Guns for virgins
or
- Free execution training and don’t forget to bring your slaves

or what if our air arm bombed them with pork rinds and hot sauce for humanitarian reasons (feeding the masses).

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

No kidding Gunny. It was a really serious situation. Just think of what it would do to ISIS fighters. They would have to throw their guns away or run like hell or both most probably.

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Tallow and lard-greased cartridges

The final spark was provided by the ammunition for the new Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle.[18] These rifles, which fired Minié balls, had a tighter fit than the earlier muskets, and used paper cartridges that came pre-greased. To load the rifle, sepoys had to bite the cartridge open to release the powder.[19] The grease used on these cartridges was rumoured to include tallow derived from beef, which would be offensive to Hindus,[20] and pork, which would be offensive to Muslims. At least one Company official pointed out the difficulties this may cause:

unless it be proven that the grease employed in these cartridges is not of a nature to offend or interfere with the prejudices of caste, it will be expedient not to issue them for test to Native corps.[21]

However, in August 1856, greased cartridge production was initiated at Fort William, Calcutta, following a British design. The grease used included tallow supplied by the Indian firm of Gangadarh Banerji & Co.[22] By January, rumours were abroad that the Enfield cartridges were greased with animal fat.

Company officers became aware of the rumours through reports of an altercation between a high-caste sepoy and a low-caste labourer at Dum Dum.[23] The labourer had taunted the sepoy that by biting the cartridge, he had himself lost caste, although at this time such cartridges had been issued only at Meerut and not at Dum Dum.[24] There had been rumours that the British sought to destroy the religions of the Indian people, and forcing the native soldiers to break their sacred code would have certainly added to this rumour, as it apparently did. The Company was quick to reverse the effects of this policy in hopes that the Indians would be quelled.[25][26]

On 27 January, Colonel Richard Birch, the Military Secretary, ordered that all cartridges issued from depots were to be free from grease, and that sepoys could grease them themselves using whatever mixture "they may prefer".[27] A modification was also made to the drill for loading so that the cartridge was torn with the hands and not bitten. This however, merely caused many sepoys to be convinced that the rumours were true and that their fears were justified. Additional rumours started that the paper in the new cartridges, which was glazed and stiffer than the previously used paper, was impregnated with grease.[28] In February, a court of inquiry was held at Barrackpore to get to the bottom of these rumours. Native soldiers called as witnesses complained of the paper "being stiff and like cloth in the mode of tearing", said that when the paper was burned it smelled of grease, and announced that the suspicion that the paper itself contained grease could not be removed from their minds.[29]

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on 7.62x39 they are hollow points. on 5.56 just dip them is enough.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

on 7.62x39 they are hollow points. on 5.56 just dip them is enough.

For those that don't know one of the causes of the mutiny was

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Tallow and lard-greased cartridges

The final spark was provided by the ammunition for the new Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle.[18] These rifles, which fired Minié balls, had a tighter fit than the earlier muskets, and used paper cartridges that came pre-greased. To load the rifle, sepoys had to bite the cartridge open to release the powder.[19] The grease used on these cartridges was rumoured to include tallow derived from beef, which would be offensive to Hindus,[20] and pork, which would be offensive to Muslims. At least one Company official pointed out the difficulties this may cause:

unless it be proven that the grease employed in these cartridges is not of a nature to offend or interfere with the prejudices of caste, it will be expedient not to issue them for test to Native corps.[21]

However, in August 1856, greased cartridge production was initiated at Fort William, Calcutta, following a British design. The grease used included tallow supplied by the Indian firm of Gangadarh Banerji & Co.[22] By January, rumours were abroad that the Enfield cartridges were greased with animal fat.

Company officers became aware of the rumours through reports of an altercation between a high-caste sepoy and a low-caste labourer at Dum Dum.[23] The labourer had taunted the sepoy that by biting the cartridge, he had himself lost caste, although at this time such cartridges had been issued only at Meerut and not at Dum Dum.[24] There had been rumours that the British sought to destroy the religions of the Indian people, and forcing the native soldiers to break their sacred code would have certainly added to this rumour, as it apparently did. The Company was quick to reverse the effects of this policy in hopes that the Indians would be quelled.[25][26]

On 27 January, Colonel Richard Birch, the Military Secretary, ordered that all cartridges issued from depots were to be free from grease, and that sepoys could grease them themselves using whatever mixture "they may prefer".[27] A modification was also made to the drill for loading so that the cartridge was torn with the hands and not bitten. This however, merely caused many sepoys to be convinced that the rumours were true and that their fears were justified. Additional rumours started that the paper in the new cartridges, which was glazed and stiffer than the previously used paper, was impregnated with grease.[28] In February, a court of inquiry was held at Barrackpore to get to the bottom of these rumours. Native soldiers called as witnesses complained of the paper "being stiff and like cloth in the mode of tearing", said that when the paper was burned it smelled of grease, and announced that the suspicion that the paper itself contained grease could not be removed from their minds.[29]

There were more causes. However, it was a huge deal. They also made a movie that highlighted it back in the 1930's or 1940's I believe and I think it stared either Fairbanks or Flynn. Can't quite remember the name of it. But it was an example of religious objections over duty.

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Hmm...Using anti-religion as a political weapon, sounds like terrorism to me.

Sounds pretty familiar in fact

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Hmm...Using anti-religion as a political weapon, sounds like terrorism to me.

Sounds pretty familiar in fact

Impearlism,terrorism...some call it regime change some call it nation building I think the mafia calls it "a piece of the action"

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

on 7.62x39 they are hollow points. on 5.56 just dip them is enough.

For those that don't know one of the causes of the mutiny was

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Tallow and lard-greased cartridges

The final spark was provided by the ammunition for the new Pattern 1853 Enfield Rifle.[18] These rifles, which fired Minié balls, had a tighter fit than the earlier muskets, and used paper cartridges that came pre-greased. To load the rifle, sepoys had to bite the cartridge open to release the powder.[19] The grease used on these cartridges was rumoured to include tallow derived from beef, which would be offensive to Hindus,[20] and pork, which would be offensive to Muslims. At least one Company official pointed out the difficulties this may cause:

unless it be proven that the grease employed in these cartridges is not of a nature to offend or interfere with the prejudices of caste, it will be expedient not to issue them for test to Native corps.[21]

However, in August 1856, greased cartridge production was initiated at Fort William, Calcutta, following a British design. The grease used included tallow supplied by the Indian firm of Gangadarh Banerji & Co.[22] By January, rumours were abroad that the Enfield cartridges were greased with animal fat.

Company officers became aware of the rumours through reports of an altercation between a high-caste sepoy and a low-caste labourer at Dum Dum.[23] The labourer had taunted the sepoy that by biting the cartridge, he had himself lost caste, although at this time such cartridges had been issued only at Meerut and not at Dum Dum.[24] There had been rumours that the British sought to destroy the religions of the Indian people, and forcing the native soldiers to break their sacred code would have certainly added to this rumour, as it apparently did. The Company was quick to reverse the effects of this policy in hopes that the Indians would be quelled.[25][26]

On 27 January, Colonel Richard Birch, the Military Secretary, ordered that all cartridges issued from depots were to be free from grease, and that sepoys could grease them themselves using whatever mixture "they may prefer".[27] A modification was also made to the drill for loading so that the cartridge was torn with the hands and not bitten. This however, merely caused many sepoys to be convinced that the rumours were true and that their fears were justified. Additional rumours started that the paper in the new cartridges, which was glazed and stiffer than the previously used paper, was impregnated with grease.[28] In February, a court of inquiry was held at Barrackpore to get to the bottom of these rumours. Native soldiers called as witnesses complained of the paper "being stiff and like cloth in the mode of tearing", said that when the paper was burned it smelled of grease, and announced that the suspicion that the paper itself contained grease could not be removed from their minds.[29]

There were more causes. However, it was a huge deal. They also made a movie that highlighted it back in the 1930's or 1940's I believe and I think it stared either Fairbanks or Flynn. Can't quite remember the name of it. But it was an example of religious objections over duty.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Hmm...Using anti-religion as a political weapon, sounds like terrorism to me.

Sounds pretty familiar in fact

Impearlism,terrorism...some call it regime change some call it nation building I think the mafia calls it "a piece of the action"

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

thanks for the reminder Bama :D

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

So what if the office of mis-information bombarded ISIL with
- Bullets fired from American hands were fired by women hiding as men
or
- American bombs and missiles were coated with pig fat
or
- Lubricants for American weapons are made from pig fat
or
- Weapons exchange. Guns for virgins
or
- Free execution training and don’t forget to bring your slaves

or what if our air arm bombed them with pork rinds and hot sauce for humanitarian reasons (feeding the masses).

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
The trouble with the hot sauce is that they'll look at the label and see that it's made in New York City. That will escalate the conflict.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

No kidding Gunny. It was a really serious situation. Just think of what it would do to ISIS fighters. They would have to throw their guns away or run like hell or both most probably.