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kdsub -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 10:40:43 AM)
Sorry my friend...anyone can make up an index and it is up to us to determine its validity... Personally I hold no faith in a word published by a Libertarian think tank. Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 10:45:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Sorry my friend...anyone can make up an index and it is up to us to determine its validity... Personally I hold no faith in a word published by a Libertarian think tank. Butch The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. In practice, money has limited access to politics. And, in that respect the United States isn't particularly democratic. But, apart from that, I'm not sure why the United States would rank 20th in the world. Doesn't make sense to me. You're not the only country in the world with a media that likes to play a certain tune, not by a long chalk. I personally don't believe for a second that in terms of what is generally deemed to be 'freedom' the United States ranks behind 19 countries in the world.

kdsub -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 10:49:37 AM)
You need to look up the Libertarian philosophy and all will become clear to you. Butch

NorthernGent -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 11:06:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub You need to look up the Libertarian philosophy and all will become clear to you. Butch Christ. Aye, I have no idea what the 'Libertarian philosophy' is. Thanks for the prompt. Any other revelations you can send my way?

tj444 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 1:14:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism quote: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. If one considers that Hong Kong is not a country but part of China and looks at the rest on this list one finds they are socialist not capitalist. The U.S. comes in a dismal 20th. many times posters have called Canada "socialist" (or worse, referring to it as "communist").. Recently I have been watching a lot of Danish & Swedish tv shows/movies.. it is interesting in the difference in their culture and way of life than here..

tj444 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 1:29:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Sorry my friend...anyone can make up an index and it is up to us to determine its validity... Personally I hold no faith in a word published by a Libertarian think tank. Butch The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. In practice, money has limited access to politics. And, in that respect the United States isn't particularly democratic. But, apart from that, I'm not sure why the United States would rank 20th in the world. Doesn't make sense to me. You're not the only country in the world with a media that likes to play a certain tune, not by a long chalk. I personally don't believe for a second that in terms of what is generally deemed to be 'freedom' the United States ranks behind 19 countries in the world. I believe it but then I live here so have been able to see just how little freedom there is here, imo the US is a Police State..I knew it was bad before I came here but it is so much worse than I thought.. its not just money limiting access to politics.. there are a lot of people in jail that shouldnt be, for minor "crimes", in some states with extremely long prison sentences... in a system that has for profit jails & sells for profit prison labor.. the cops & govt can seize your money and assets and not charge you with a crime.. 2/3rds of the population here live in the 100 mile border area where they can be stopped and asked for their "papers".. there is systemic reduction in freedoms in what kind of work/business you can be in.. the list goes on.. https://www.youtube.com/user/InstituteForJustice/videos

NorthernGent -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 1:31:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism quote: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. If one considers that Hong Kong is not a country but part of China and looks at the rest on this list one finds they are socialist not capitalist. The U.S. comes in a dismal 20th. many times posters have called Canada "socialist" (or worse, referring to it as "communist").. Recently I have been watching a lot of Danish & Swedish tv shows/movies.. it is interesting in the difference in their culture and way of life than here.. TJ, see, staying loyal to God's country has paid dividends as we all knew was the inevitable outcome! Class is permanent etc. Secondly, Danish/Swedish/Norwegian films and drama. Can be good. Some of it in the mould of what English and United States programmes used to do very well before the advent of absolute shite like CSI. In all fairness, the United States used to do some very good television, but it's just lost its way with all the hair and the rest of it. Having said that some of the Scandinavian programmes can be dog shite. In terms of culture, there are some marked similarities between the Scandinavian countries and the United States as far as I can tell. It is obvious when you visit Scandinavia and the United States that some of the Scandinavian way of doing things has made its way to the United States.

joether -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 1:52:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism [8\|] The top 10 jurisdictions in order were Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. That's four English inspired cultures of the top 10. Americans, you should have stuck with us - you'd be as free as birds at this rate! In all seriousness, not convinced with this study. Had a read and I'm still struggling to understand how and why they've arrived at these scores. Its something to study and discuss. However, I have a problem with the CATO Institute. That organization has so many holes to its credibility and integrity over the past decade to leave anything from it as immediate 'suspected'. I agree with tweak above in that healthcare is not a factor in the study, but 'the size of government' is. A person with bad health care, has very little to no way of expressing or using the freedoms they might have (regardless of the extend of those freedoms in the first place). Often over looked by health people whom are selfish and (often) conservative in their viewpoints; those that suffer have great trouble expressing freedoms. Not easy for someone confided to a wheel chair to go hunting with a rifle on their own in the back country. Or know their rights, because the conservative propaganda tells them a bullshit story 24/7. That the size of government has no bearing on whether it is a good or bad government. The United States with its 'big' government can effectively handle and control (with some strain) three major disasters. A massive earthquake in California, a deadly drought in the mid-west and a class 5 hurricane traveling between Florida and Maine. Where as a small government, like Haiti, was virtually destroyed after one earthquake rocked that nation a few years ago (of which they still have not repaired half the damages). Curious also that science is not mentioned. Given that thanks to science, this planet would still have packs of savages all stating their civilization was 'civilized'. The CATO Institute has been heavily against science on all fronts. From Climate Change to Neuroscience. Yet, the ability to practice science freely from religious dogma or government 'rules', is a display of freedom. The places were science is important in the United States of America, also, is usually the location you find liberals. What is the root word of 'liberal'? That's Latin for 'Liberalis'. What does that word mean? 'Freedom'.

tj444 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 2:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism quote: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. If one considers that Hong Kong is not a country but part of China and looks at the rest on this list one finds they are socialist not capitalist. The U.S. comes in a dismal 20th. many times posters have called Canada "socialist" (or worse, referring to it as "communist").. Recently I have been watching a lot of Danish & Swedish tv shows/movies.. it is interesting in the difference in their culture and way of life than here.. TJ, see, staying loyal to God's country has paid dividends as we all knew was the inevitable outcome! Class is permanent etc. Secondly, Danish/Swedish/Norwegian films and drama. Can be good. Some of it in the mould of what English and United States programmes used to do very well before the advent of absolute shite like CSI. In all fairness, the United States used to do some very good television, but it's just lost its way with all the hair and the rest of it. Having said that some of the Scandinavian programmes can be dog shite. In terms of culture, there are some marked similarities between the Scandinavian countries and the United States as far as I can tell. It is obvious when you visit Scandinavia and the United States that some of the Scandinavian way of doing things has made its way to the United States. Actually, while I much prefer the Canadian way to the American way, I am not loyal to Canada at all.. I do love Vancouver but my biggest problem is that Canada is right next door to the US so US influence and pressure is always there (the mouse and elephant thing).. some of Canada's laws were pushed by the US.. but at least those laws are not direct copies, but still.. the US is out only for the US and whatever its pushing is cuz it benefits them and their American corps.. I am still looking for a country that gives me the least amount of US influence and the lifestyle & culture I want..

NorthernGent -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 2:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism quote: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. If one considers that Hong Kong is not a country but part of China and looks at the rest on this list one finds they are socialist not capitalist. The U.S. comes in a dismal 20th. many times posters have called Canada "socialist" (or worse, referring to it as "communist").. Recently I have been watching a lot of Danish & Swedish tv shows/movies.. it is interesting in the difference in their culture and way of life than here.. TJ, see, staying loyal to God's country has paid dividends as we all knew was the inevitable outcome! Class is permanent etc. Secondly, Danish/Swedish/Norwegian films and drama. Can be good. Some of it in the mould of what English and United States programmes used to do very well before the advent of absolute shite like CSI. In all fairness, the United States used to do some very good television, but it's just lost its way with all the hair and the rest of it. Having said that some of the Scandinavian programmes can be dog shite. In terms of culture, there are some marked similarities between the Scandinavian countries and the United States as far as I can tell. It is obvious when you visit Scandinavia and the United States that some of the Scandinavian way of doing things has made its way to the United States. Actually, while I much prefer the Canadian way to the American way, I am not loyal to Canada at all.. I do love Vancouver but my biggest problem is that Canada is right next door to the US so US influence and pressure is always there (the mouse and elephant thing).. some of Canada's laws were pushed by the US.. but at least those laws are not direct copies, but still.. the US is out only for the US and whatever its pushing is cuz it benefits them and their American corps.. I am still looking for a country that gives me the least amount of US influence and the lifestyle & culture I want.. There's a spot in North East England, TJ, nothing like the United States, nothing like the rest of England; very down to earth, straight down the line, out of this world un-touched coast-line, simple people no bollocks type of place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yHU5T8CJ50

Zonie63 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 6:12:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the kicker here is conservatives/libertarians and liberals do not share the same definitions or understanding of "freedom", or we don't place it on the same level of values, so im going to guess the lefties see something like this and if they are not saying "so what?" then they are at least not saying "oh, we need to rethink what it is we are doing!" I don't think Freedom House is leftist. It's more of a moderate organization, with Eleanor Roosevelt and Wendell Wilkie among its founders. They base it on a scale of 1-7, rating it based on civil liberties and political freedoms. They also have a separate report on internet freedom. I don't think it's so much a matter of conflicting definitions or values. Overall, I think conservatives and liberals in the US are still pretty much on the same page when it comes to basic freedoms, such as freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc. Where they seem to differ is more in emphasis and priority. One faction puts a greater emphasis on economic freedom, while putting civil liberties and political freedoms at a lower priority - even if they still support those rights in theory.

KenDckey -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 6:21:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the kicker here is conservatives/libertarians and liberals do not share the same definitions or understanding of "freedom", or we don't place it on the same level of values, so im going to guess the lefties see something like this and if they are not saying "so what?" then they are at least not saying "oh, we need to rethink what it is we are doing!" I don't think Freedom House is leftist. It's more of a moderate organization, with Eleanor Roosevelt and Wendell Wilkie among its founders. They base it on a scale of 1-7, rating it based on civil liberties and political freedoms. They also have a separate report on internet freedom. I don't think it's so much a matter of conflicting definitions or values. Overall, I think conservatives and liberals in the US are still pretty much on the same page when it comes to basic freedoms, such as freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, etc. Where they seem to differ is more in emphasis and priority. One faction puts a greater emphasis on economic freedom, while putting civil liberties and political freedoms at a lower priority - even if they still support those rights in theory. Basically I think you are correct in your analysis. The fundamental differences that I see it is big govt legeslating it or allowing the people to come to their own conclusions, whilst obeying the laws of the land. One example, should those of other countries come here? yes, of course. One faction says basically, tho not specifically usually, that anyone who wants to come in should be allowed without regard to the law. The other says follow the law. Which is flawed? both dependent upon your viewpoint. If the law is the true issue, then change or revoke it to meet the needs of the country. Ignoring the law only causes seperation between the groups. If the President seriously wanted them to stay,a ll he has to do is grant each and every illegal a pardon from their crime, declaring that they have met the requirements based upon the pardon and they can stay. Course he will wear out a few pens.

Thegunnysez -> RE: Human Freedom Index (8/31/2015 9:23:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. One of our largest police departments,Los Angeles, was taken over by the justice department for behaving in a criminal manner. They were held in recievership for a couple of years while the government "retrained" the wayward fellows. I am sure you have read the threads on Furguson and other related incidents...perhaps this is what ranks us #20? The president is not really elected...they are appointed by the electoral college which in turn is appointed by the state legislatures. Candidated for every office from dog catcher to president typically require a party affliation and support to actually get the job. Why would political parties be necessary in a true democracy? On the up side we have exellent mirrors and the best smoke machines Hollywood can create.

eulero83 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 2:49:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism [8\|] The top 10 jurisdictions in order were Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. That's four English inspired cultures of the top 10. Americans, you should have stuck with us - you'd be as free as birds at this rate! In all seriousness, not convinced with this study. Had a read and I'm still struggling to understand how and why they've arrived at these scores. I am too, I guess the most a system is close to their ideal the better the score is, than they do an average with the country's whealth, one thing that puzzled me is for example the woman safety index where the more rapes there are the better the score it seems I don't have checked others.

Real0ne -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 5:19:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. In practice, money has limited access to politics. And, in that respect the United States isn't particularly democratic. But, apart from that, I'm not sure why the United States would rank 20th in the world. Doesn't make sense to me. It gets so tiresome typing volumes of reinventing the wheel I simply stole this from another board since it identifies the problem quite well. In many threads on the economy and our political culture, members blame Corporations, Lawyers, Wall Street etc. for the damage being done to The Constitution via undo influence on the government. These are off the mark. The problem is far more insidious: the 4th Branch of Government aka the Unelected Regulatory Bureaucracy. The following link is to a rather long piece which frames the issue The Rule of Law vs. The Discretion of Regulatory Bureaucrats. The first is fixed and knowable, limiting government power to force compliance with political views. The latter is ambiguous and easily abused for political purposes. The Tyranny of the Bureaucracy began decades ago, and is currently snowballing to the point where Constitutionally protect liberties are at high risk. The author includes examples of various regulatory agencies, and how they use vagueness to ensure silence and political compliance. I highly recommend reading the entire piece. http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/john.cochrane/research/papers/rule%20of%20law%20and%20regulation%20essay.pdf Excerpts: Rule of Law: the Devil in the Details “Rule of law” and “regulation” are dangerous Big Vague Words. The rule of law is so morally powerful that the worst tyrants go through the motions. Stalin bothered with show trials. Putin put Pussy Riot on trial, and then they were “legally” convicted of and jailed for the crime of ”hooliganism.” Even Henry the Eighth had trials before chopping heads. Is this not rule of law? No, of course, but it’s worth reminding ourselves why not as we think about bureaucracies (snip) “Rule of law” is not just about the existence of written laws, and the superficial mechanics of trials, judges, lawyers, ad sentences. Rule of law lies deep in the details of how those institutions work. Do you have the right to counsel, the right to question witnesses, the right to discovery, the right to appeal, and so forth. Like laws, what matters about regulation, both in its economic efficiency and in its insulation from politics, is not its presence but its character and operation. Regulators write rules too. They fine you, close down your business, send you to jail, or merely harass you with endless requests, based on apparently written rules. We need criteria to think about whether “rule of law” applies to this regulatory process. Here are some suggestions. • Rule vs. Discretion? • Simple/precise or vague/complex? • Knowable rules vs. ex-post prosecutions? • Permission or rule book? • Plain text or fixers? • Enforced commonly or arbitrarily? • Right to discovery and challenge decisions. • Right to appeal. • Insulation from political process. • Speed vs. delay. • Consultation, consent of the governed. Keep in mind the person you responded to is on record cheering the violating one persons rights to accommodate anothers. Regulators, administrative are not authorized under the constitution to operate in the manner in which they do in this country. So while due process can be had between each other, its subtle but critical aspects are nonexistent between individual and gubblemint because the bureaucracy has circumvented due process with their euphemistic version undermining the so called protection under the law. Its why we have police shooting unarmed kids and old ladies scott free and the gargantuan extortion racket that we have. Al Capone would have been proud! The fact that we have these bureaucratic agencies in the first place with the power to perform legal activities is or should be proof to anyone that the US is no longer a constitutional nation under the strict due process of rule of law but instead the whims of power, greed and profiteers.

Real0ne -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 5:36:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. One of our largest police departments,Los Angeles, was taken over by the justice department for behaving in a criminal manner. They were held in recievership for a couple of years while the government "retrained" the wayward fellows. I am sure you have read the threads on Furguson and other related incidents...perhaps this is what ranks us #20? The president is not really elected...they are appointed by the electoral college which in turn is appointed by the state legislatures. Candidated for every office from dog catcher to president typically require a party affliation and support to actually get the job. Why would political parties be necessary in a true democracy? On the up side we have exellent mirrors and the best smoke machines Hollywood can create. BRAVO! Cuts to the core! Great post!

Real0ne -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 9:35:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Sorry my friend...anyone can make up an index and it is up to us to determine its validity... Personally I hold no faith in a word published by a Libertarian think tank. Butch The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. In practice, money has limited access to politics. And, in that respect the United States isn't particularly democratic. But, apart from that, I'm not sure why the United States would rank 20th in the world. Doesn't make sense to me. You're not the only country in the world with a media that likes to play a certain tune, not by a long chalk. I personally don't believe for a second that in terms of what is generally deemed to be 'freedom' the United States ranks behind 19 countries in the world. I believe it but then I live here so have been able to see just how little freedom there is here, imo the US is a Police State..I knew it was bad before I came here but it is so much worse than I thought.. its not just money limiting access to politics.. there are a lot of people in jail that shouldnt be, for minor "crimes", in some states with extremely long prison sentences... in a system that has for profit jails & sells for profit prison labor.. the cops & govt can seize your money and assets and not charge you with a crime.. 2/3rds of the population here live in the 100 mile border area where they can be stopped and asked for their "papers".. there is systemic reduction in freedoms in what kind of work/business you can be in.. the list goes on.. https://www.youtube.com/user/InstituteForJustice/videos How about this: Penalty for Raising Frivolous Arguments In three cases where the IRS had asserted either the failure to file penalty, failure to pay penalty, estimated tax penalty, or some combination, the courts also imposed the IRC § 6673 penalty for making frivolous arguments. Among the frivolous argument cases is one where the taxpayer failed to file a return because he believed neither compensation nor dividends were taxable income. The Tax Court held the taxpayer liable for the failure to file and failure to pay penalties, and imposed a $2,500 penalty under IRC § 6673. Now if you make a mistake or dispute anything your argument or claim had better be 100% right or you get hammered despite they can fuck up by the numbers with an oops sorry. Welcome to DUE PROCESS in america. Even slave owners treated their slaves more judicially than the judiciary treats americans when it comes to the irs!

joether -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 1:02:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Sorry my friend...anyone can make up an index and it is up to us to determine its validity... Personally I hold no faith in a word published by a Libertarian think tank. Butch The thing with the United States is that on paper it has a very good, democratic system. In practice, money has limited access to politics. And, in that respect the United States isn't particularly democratic. But, apart from that, I'm not sure why the United States would rank 20th in the world. Doesn't make sense to me. You're not the only country in the world with a media that likes to play a certain tune, not by a long chalk. I personally don't believe for a second that in terms of what is generally deemed to be 'freedom' the United States ranks behind 19 countries in the world. I believe it but then I live here so have been able to see just how little freedom there is here, imo the US is a Police State..I knew it was bad before I came here but it is so much worse than I thought.. its not just money limiting access to politics.. there are a lot of people in jail that shouldnt be, for minor "crimes", in some states with extremely long prison sentences... in a system that has for profit jails & sells for profit prison labor.. the cops & govt can seize your money and assets and not charge you with a crime.. 2/3rds of the population here live in the 100 mile border area where they can be stopped and asked for their "papers".. there is systemic reduction in freedoms in what kind of work/business you can be in.. the list goes on.. https://www.youtube.com/user/InstituteForJustice/videos How about this: Penalty for Raising Frivolous Arguments In three cases where the IRS had asserted either the failure to file penalty, failure to pay penalty, estimated tax penalty, or some combination, the courts also imposed the IRC § 6673 penalty for making frivolous arguments. Among the frivolous argument cases is one where the taxpayer failed to file a return because he believed neither compensation nor dividends were taxable income. The Tax Court held the taxpayer liable for the failure to file and failure to pay penalties, and imposed a $2,500 penalty under IRC § 6673. Now if you make a mistake or dispute anything your argument or claim had better be 100% right or you get hammered despite they can fuck up by the numbers with an oops sorry. Welcome to DUE PROCESS in america. Even slave owners treated their slaves more judicially than the judiciary treats americans when it comes to the irs! Do you have any idea the number of idiots that exist in this nation that do not understand the basics of our laws? Much less the more advanced concepts? That they feel they should not have to pay for (inert any of a billion bullshit reasons here)? Yes, fellow US Citizens are tired of the bullshit by those individuals too. If your intelligent enough to file the needed paper work in court to demand that you do not have to file tax returns; then your intelligent enough to know the laws of the land. Therefore, you are given the penalty for wasting the court's time and resources. Frankly its pretty straight forward. If your having trouble with your taxes or understanding what can and can not be taxed. Consult with a good financial person (i.e. banker, CFP, CPA, etc...), and not the extreme right wing political side.

tj444 -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 1:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Viva la capitalism quote: Hong Kong, Switzerland, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Sweden. The United States is ranked in 20th place. If one considers that Hong Kong is not a country but part of China and looks at the rest on this list one finds they are socialist not capitalist. The U.S. comes in a dismal 20th. many times posters have called Canada "socialist" (or worse, referring to it as "communist").. Recently I have been watching a lot of Danish & Swedish tv shows/movies.. it is interesting in the difference in their culture and way of life than here.. TJ, see, staying loyal to God's country has paid dividends as we all knew was the inevitable outcome! Class is permanent etc. Secondly, Danish/Swedish/Norwegian films and drama. Can be good. Some of it in the mould of what English and United States programmes used to do very well before the advent of absolute shite like CSI. In all fairness, the United States used to do some very good television, but it's just lost its way with all the hair and the rest of it. Having said that some of the Scandinavian programmes can be dog shite. In terms of culture, there are some marked similarities between the Scandinavian countries and the United States as far as I can tell. It is obvious when you visit Scandinavia and the United States that some of the Scandinavian way of doing things has made its way to the United States. Actually, while I much prefer the Canadian way to the American way, I am not loyal to Canada at all.. I do love Vancouver but my biggest problem is that Canada is right next door to the US so US influence and pressure is always there (the mouse and elephant thing).. some of Canada's laws were pushed by the US.. but at least those laws are not direct copies, but still.. the US is out only for the US and whatever its pushing is cuz it benefits them and their American corps.. I am still looking for a country that gives me the least amount of US influence and the lifestyle & culture I want.. There's a spot in North East England, TJ, nothing like the United States, nothing like the rest of England; very down to earth, straight down the line, out of this world un-touched coast-line, simple people no bollocks type of place. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yHU5T8CJ50 Yeah, but there are so many things to consider when picking a new home.. for me, it likely wont be just one place, it might be 2 or 3 places.. getting a visa or resident card may require things i am not willing or perhaps not able to do.. I would not be able to live permanently in Switzerland, for instance.. I am not sure about the UK but if I wanted to get into a EU country, Spain would probably be most likely and easiest, although I have not researched enough yet.. but once you have a EU thingie (Visa/Blue Card?) you can go into any of the other EU countries from there.. It seems to be pretty easy to set up a new business in Spain very quickly, they want entrepreneurs there (unlike here in the US where they think every immigrant is out to steal jobs, blah, blah, blah).. and.. I might like the dudes there and find myself an EU honey.. [:)]

PeonForHer -> RE: Human Freedom Index (9/1/2015 2:19:42 PM)
quote: While I haven't taken a look at the index in more detail, the broad headings listed above seem to have some serious omissions and biased weightings, which I suppose is to be expected as the Cato Institute a well known right wing institute appears to be one the prime movers behind the index. On the contrary, the Cato Institute is clearly a communist organisation. Nowhere in the OP do I see mention of that most crucial indicator of liberty, recognised as far back as the time of Jesus and beyond, of the freedom to carry guns.

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