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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Joe. It is not hatred of illegals coming to this country. it is an intense dislike. I don't appreciate them coming to this country outside legal channels. I don't appreciate them being authorized to stay because of whatever reason. either we should open our borders and change the laws accordingly, or lock them up in internment facilities and ship them home.

Why are they coming here? Why would someone flee their location, risk hundreds of miles of uncertainty, just to go here?

We do not want to look at dealing with those nations, nor their economic, social, or cultural problems more proactively. We once spent many billions in foreign aid to 'encourage' people to stay in their countries. People like you, demanded we reduce these bills. An they were reduced. Now you get to 'experience' one of the consequences of your demands in government first hand.

You want things both ways: no foreign aid, and no immigration. Apparently that doesn't work to well.

I liked the Kennedy/McCain immigration bill from 2007. Perhaps you should sit down and read it cover to cover. It lays things out for how we handle both future 'visitors' to the nation, and those already inside.

Placing them in internment camps will not work. It would be to easily challenged in the courts. Regardless of how 'humanitarian' the GOP/TP tries to paint it. We all know about how 'humanitarian' Guantanamo Bay was for those suspected of wrong doing. How often conservative media tried to paint the concept of 'water boarding' as not torture; and challenged time and again by others to be water boarded (not a single conservative media personality had the balls to take up).

We try to 'round up' 11-14 million suspected illegal immigrants; and the unrest in this nation will make the 1960's look mild in comparison! Your political party will get 'shit canned' out of Congress. And stay that way for a full decade! Is that what you want?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am for good government that enforces the laws made by congress. Not an administration (don't care who) that creates its own laws to circumvent those made by congress.

Gitmo isn't immigration

If the people vote in only Dems, communists, etc, I could support that. Maybe not their politicies but the people have spoken. Just because I am a Rep means that I believe the party line. Just believe it more than the Dem line. And the libertarians I have met are just funny. LOL

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I am for good government that enforces the laws made by congress. Not an administration (don't care who) that creates its own laws to circumvent those made by congress.

Gitmo isn't immigration

If the people vote in only Dems, communists, etc, I could support that. Maybe not their politicies but the people have spoken. Just because I am a Rep means that I believe the party line. Just believe it more than the Dem line. And the libertarians I have met are just funny. LOL

internment camps give rise to the vision of what y'all did to the Japanese in WWII.. it would be pretty unpalatable to most sane people..

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I was envisioning something more like Sherriff Joe's tent city where the suspects could be concentrated for swift judicial action. Of course we would have to hire aditional judges, clerks, recorders, etc.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

We are all aware that illegal immigration is a misdemeanor? We are also aware that hiring an illegal alien is a felony. It would seem counter-intuitive to focus one's attention on the misdemeanor rather than the felony. I have noticed that the color of those who commit the misdemeanors is typically not white while the felons are. Why one would choose to carp about the one and not the other might speak directly to their motives. None can disagree that should the draconian penalties called for in the case of the felony be applied forthwith none would dare hire an illegal alien.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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I was envisioning something more like Sherriff Joe's tent city where the suspects could be concentrated for swift judicial action. Of course we would have to hire aditional judges, clerks, recorders, etc.

This would punish brown people and cost taxpayers money. If the employers of the illegals were locked up the taxpayers would not have to foot the bill and the illegals would self deport.
Why are you in support of costing the taxpayers money for no reason.

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Of course we should enforce the law.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Of course we should enforce the law.

Which one?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

He is an ignorant dip-shit who continually posts nonsense from whatever feeder site he's addicted to.

The US has been made great by immigration and is a nation more than capable of intergrating those living here without status.

What has hurt the nation are antiquated laws and Tea Party obstructionism. Without the latter, reform would have been passed and USA GDP might be higher by another point. We'd also have more workers paying into social security, buying houses, starting businesses -- who are MOTIVATED.

Instead we got pond scum inaction because of nativist assholes like the right-wing fuckwits here.

In other news, the USA illegal war in IRAQ has so destabilized the region that all of Europe is facing a massive refugee crisis. 71 migrants were found dead in refrigeration truck in Austria. While this real crisis roils, we have an OP and other idiots upset about truly imaginary problems.

The USA has changed immigration laws to accommodate waves of migrants here some 23 times in our history --- and its never hurt the country one bit. Far right assholes now want us to abandon this tradition ---- without any good policy reasons to defend their position. Fucking xenophobes.

http://www.cato.org/blog/legalization-or-amnesty-unlawful-immigrants-american-tradition

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http://thinkprogress.org/report/iraq-timeline/

President Obama declared an end on Tuesday to the seven-year American combat mission in Iraq, saying that the United States has met its responsibility to that country and that it is now time to turn to pressing problems at home. In a prime-time address from the Oval Office, Mr. Obama balanced praise for the troops who fought and died in Iraq with his conviction that getting into the conflict had been a mistake in the first place. But he also used the moment to emphasize that he sees his primary job as addressing the weak economy and other domestic issues — and to make clear that he intends to begin disengaging from the war in Afghanistan next summer. [New York Times, 8/31/10]

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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Of course we should enforce the law.

Which one?

all

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Although I don't agree with them all gunny, nor do I expect you to, a civilization is based upon laws that are enforced. Otherwise we have chaos and very possibly a small population cause it would then the country could well be run by the idiot with the biggest and badest nukes.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Although I don't agree with them all gunny, nor do I expect you to, a civilization is based upon laws that are enforced. Otherwise we have chaos and very possibly a small population cause it would then the country could well be run by the idiot with the biggest and badest nukes.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

We are all aware that illegal immigration is a misdemeanor? We are also aware that hiring an illegal alien is a felony. It would seem counter-intuitive to focus one's attention on the misdemeanor rather than the felony. I have noticed that the color of those who commit the misdemeanors is typically not white while the felons are. Why one would choose to carp about the one and not the other might speak directly to their motives. None can disagree that should the draconian penalties called for in the case of the felony be applied forthwith none would dare hire an illegal alien.

As I have said all along. The Administration should enforce the law. Does it matter if they are citizens or illegals. If they use false identies then cite that. IF the business hires them improperly, cite that. If it is the law enforce it. And I believe that it is a crime by the Pres not to do it.

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ORIGINAL: Thegunnysez

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I was envisioning something more like Sherriff Joe's tent city where the suspects could be concentrated for swift judicial action. Of course we would have to hire aditional judges, clerks, recorders, etc.

This would punish brown people and cost taxpayers money. If the employers of the illegals were locked up the taxpayers would not have to foot the bill and the illegals would self deport.
Why are you in support of costing the taxpayers money for no reason.

Of course we should enforce the law. And the problem is?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

He is an ignorant dip-shit who continually posts nonsense from whatever feeder site he's addicted to.

The US has been made great by immigration and is a nation more than capable of intergrating those living here without status.

What has hurt the nation are antiquated laws and Tea Party obstructionism. Without the latter, reform would have been passed and the USA's GDP might be higher by another point. We'd also have more workers paying into social security, buying houses, starting businesses -- who are MOTIVATED.

Instead we got pond scum inaction because of nativist assholes like the right-wing fuckwits here.

In other news, the USA illegal war in IRAQ has so destabilized the region that all of Europe is facing a massive refugee crisis. 71 migrants were found dead in refrigeration truck in Austria. While this real crisis roils, we have an OP and other idiots upset about truly imaginary problems.

The USA has changed immigration laws to accommodate waves of migrants here some 23 times in our history --- and its never hurt the country one bit. Far right assholes now want us to abandon this tradition ---- without any good policy reasons to defend their position. Fucking xenophobes.

http://www.cato.org/blog/legalization-or-amnesty-unlawful-immigrants-american-tradition