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Fat Police - 8/26/2015 1:33:45 AM   
KenDckey


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the fat police starts early. there probably is no cure I believe

http://news.yahoo.com/empty-plate-kids-being-bullied-skip-lunch-school-110000836.html
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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 2:08:16 AM   
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the fat police starts early. there probably is no cure I believe

http://news.yahoo.com/empty-plate-kids-being-bullied-skip-lunch-school-110000836.html

Surprise, surprise. Girls who should probably have been spanked more often.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 3:12:25 AM   
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the fat police starts early. there probably is no cure I believe

http://news.yahoo.com/empty-plate-kids-being-bullied-skip-lunch-school-110000836.html

Funny how I never saw that at my school. Everybody pigged out.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 3:37:24 AM   
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I've seen it increasing over the years. With more and more emphasis on looking skinny as meaning beautiful. There are no allowances made for medical conditions, etc (including overeating) at all. Doesn't happen to all but it is a growing trend.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 6:33:24 AM   
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The end of this article really throws me. Tell kids that they aren't allowed to stay in the lunchroom if they don't eat? What will that accomplish? I'm going to guess feelings of isolation, lack of acceptance and resentment.
I have had trouble eating my whole life. I'm almost never hungry, and when I am I only get a few bites in before I'm full. It has led to metabolic issues in my adult life and a habit of eating carbohydrate rich foods and sugary drinks to give me enough energy to maintain.
Kicking me out of the lunchroom at an early would have just given me a green light to avoid an already uncomfortable situation and may have led to me forming unhealthy relationships with others who had been made to feel like outcasts.
As for having parents provide permission for kids to skip meals... Well, in my personal experience, no amount of being forced to sit at the dinner table for hours under my mother's watchful eye ever corrected my eating habits. In fact, it made me even more ambivalent towards food.
Beyond all that, neither one of these suggestions actually addresses the issue (laid ?) out in the article which is children not eating due to bullying.

Just my two cents.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 12:03:14 PM   
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the fat police starts early. there probably is no cure I believe

http://news.yahoo.com/empty-plate-kids-being-bullied-skip-lunch-school-110000836.html

When I saw the title I thought the thread was about overweight cops.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 12:16:48 PM   
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The end of this article really throws me. Tell kids that they aren't allowed to stay in the lunchroom if they don't eat? What will that accomplish? I'm going to guess feelings of isolation, lack of acceptance and resentment.


Surprisingly it helps. It largely depends on 'HOW' it is accomplished. I've heard of school psychologists placing the trouble student in a room, not by themselves, but with friends during lunch. They do the stuff anyone would do in the cafeteria. Except they are not be exposed to the bullies. This separation keeps the bullies from bullying; and the bullied from not eating. Not every teenager develops a thick skin to peer pressure at the same rate.

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I have had trouble eating my whole life. I'm almost never hungry, and when I am I only get a few bites in before I'm full. It has led to metabolic issues in my adult life and a habit of eating carbohydrate rich foods and sugary drinks to give me enough energy to maintain.


You might want to consult with a medical doctor about this; rather than the internet. He/she might suggest long term therapy to helping on the mental/emotional components as well. Nothing wrong with therapy as it concerns eating food.

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Kicking me out of the lunchroom at an early would have just given me a green light to avoid an already uncomfortable situation and may have led to me forming unhealthy relationships with others who had been made to feel like outcasts.
As for having parents provide permission for kids to skip meals... Well, in my personal experience, no amount of being forced to sit at the dinner table for hours under my mother's watchful eye ever corrected my eating habits. In fact, it made me even more ambivalent towards food.


Yes, methods that have all been disprove to work in a beneficial manner. Your not alone on this either. Tens of millions of Americans have had this done to them in differing degrees. As we learn more in psychology and sociology, we develop new patterns and ideas that help break down bullying.

Placing a teenager in a room by themselves does not work either. Hence why I stated that schools place friends with the bullied teenager, in a separate room. They can socialize all they want without ever knowing one of their friends is being bullied. The bullied teenager would likely forget the tension in the cafeteria over weeks if not months. This allows them the ability to learn coping skills with the school's psychologist in private. When they are put into the cafeteria, they are under observation. To see how well those coping skills handle under pressure from the bullies.



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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 12:34:25 PM   
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It was never stated where the kids were meant to go if they had to leave the lunchroom. That idea does have merit. If the solutions offered were more detailed or had tied back to the original issue, as in (remove them from the lunchroom and give them a safe place to eat lunch)... Also, I was not consulting the internet regarding my health issues. I was using my experience as a preface for my opinion. I already have a very competent doctor.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 12:47:07 PM   
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It was never stated where the kids were meant to go if they had to leave the lunchroom. That idea does have merit. If the solutions offered were more detailed or had tied back to the original issue, as in (remove them from the lunchroom and give them a safe place to eat lunch)... Also, I was not consulting the internet regarding my health issues. I was using my experience as a preface for my opinion. I already have a very competent doctor.


That is just the failing of the author. Schools across the nation do consult with one another on problems. They consult with leading medical and psychological experts (not the sort that show up on FOX 'news' mind you!). They also listen to those in their communities. Most of them have children in the system. From all we as mankind have learned thus far; separating the bullied from the bully, does help the physical, mental, and emotional (dare I say, spiritual) health. For the bully and the bullied. Its easy to forget that the bullies are most likely bullied in their life and simply trying to shift 'pain' elsewhere. The purpose of educators is to help create better, future citizens for the nation. They also have a legal obligation to keep the bullied and bullies safe while in school. Not an easy task!


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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 1:01:00 PM   
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the fat police starts early. there probably is no cure I believe

http://news.yahoo.com/empty-plate-kids-being-bullied-skip-lunch-school-110000836.html

When I saw the title I thought the thread was about overweight cops.

Donuts anyone? lol

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RE: Fat Police - 8/26/2015 1:04:46 PM   
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I've heard of school psychologists placing the trouble student in a room, not by themselves, but with friends during lunch. They do the stuff anyone would do in the cafeteria. Except they are not be exposed to the bullies.

With this you have highlighted a major problem the trouble student is the bully, not the victim.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/27/2015 7:22:25 AM   
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When I saw the title I thought the thread was about overweight cops.


I thought it was an advertisement for Krispy Kream.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 1:32:56 PM   
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I've heard of school psychologists placing the trouble student in a room, not by themselves, but with friends during lunch. They do the stuff anyone would do in the cafeteria. Except they are not be exposed to the bullies.

With this you have highlighted a major problem the trouble student is the bully, not the victim.


The bully is often bullied in their lives external to the school. Some of them often have trouble in school. So by removing the object of their bully-tendencies; it is possible to teach better social skills. Hopefully to steer that child away from bullying the bullied or others in the future. Not an easy task.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 2:03:13 PM   
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Joe so as I understand it, if someone is a bully, the victum should be removed so that the bully can go on doing his thing until he changes. Is that correct?

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 2:52:34 PM   
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Funny. I hang around with cops. They're usually very muscular and enforce the law as they see it and don't understand why other people like me won't socialize with them.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 2:57:20 PM   
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I like cops. For the most part they do their job as best they can. There are some idiots, like the one that told me not only what I saw, but what I thought. Wrong. I was in the wrong no doubt, but I never saw or thought what he said. I have even worked with PD who helped me in my job.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 3:10:40 PM   
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Yes, there is always this one asshole who ruins the show. If you find a way to deal with him or her, please let me know!

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 3:11:01 PM   
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I've heard of school psychologists placing the trouble student in a room, not by themselves, but with friends during lunch. They do the stuff anyone would do in the cafeteria. Except they are not be exposed to the bullies.

With this you have highlighted a major problem the trouble student is the bully, not the victim.


The bully is often bullied in their lives external to the school. Some of them often have trouble in school. So by removing the object of their bully-tendencies; it is possible to teach better social skills. Hopefully to steer that child away from bullying the bullied or others in the future. Not an easy task.

Wrong they find another victim.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 3:19:11 PM   
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Yes, there is always this one asshole who ruins the show. If you find a way to deal with him or her, please let me know!

I had his LT explain that he couldn't tell what I saw or thought. I never contested the ticket, just paid it. I was wrong there.

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RE: Fat Police - 8/28/2015 3:56:39 PM   
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I had his LT explain that he couldn't tell what I saw or thought. I never contested the ticket, just paid it. I was wrong there.


Master never punishes me if I can explain what I did wrong and why. What a wonderful world it would be ...

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