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Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 6:15:29 PM   
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Seems that they only want to punch a ticket so that they can continue on welfare.
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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 6:40:21 PM   
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http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&ArticleID=67066&TM=76189.55

Seems that they only want to punch a ticket so that they can continue on welfare.


Construction company owner Main said he has two current employees and wants to hire a couple more. He starts workers out at $10 an hour, though it could go higher for someone with experience and their own tools.


The qualifications aren't deeply restrictive. He'd like someone with 10 years of building experience, a valid driver's license and reliable transportation."They'll turn up on their bike or their mom drops them off. I can't send them to Home Depot or out to a job site.""If you make it through the day and stick around for a couple months, maybe $11 or $12 (an hour)," he said. "Trustworthiness and honesty, that's what I'm looking for."

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 6:49:48 PM   
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I am retired and manage a small bar in a Milwaukee suburb. Our Miller rep and district manager for 5 counties had to drop off the beer trailer himself at 6AM this spring.He had 3 guys who he thought would be working for the summer. Not so fast. 2 flunked the drug test and the 3rd guy didn't show up. This was a good job.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 6:59:22 PM   
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Typical right wing bullshit bashing of the poor

PHOENIX (AP) -- Arizona families can now get welfare for no more than one year in their lifetime - the shortest time limit in the nation.
Policy analysts say most states impose a five-year lifetime limit, while 13 states limit the benefits to two years or less.
Arizona's Republican-led legislature made the cuts to make good on the governor's pledge to avoid tax increases.
It means at least 1,600 Arizona families will lose their welfare starting in July.
Welfare is federally funded, but Gov. Doug Ducey's office called the cuts necessary to protect taxpayers and elementary education as the state faces a $1 billion budget deficit.
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/05/18/facing-1-billion-deficit-arizona-sharply-limits-welfare/21184749/


According to the Arizona Department of Economic Security, the average stay on the program is about 14 months, and a single parent with two kids can receive a maximum of just under $280 a month.

"We all want the people to find work, and the last time I checked the unemployment rate in Arizona was higher than the United States average. That means people looking for jobs cannot find them. So then to punish people and say we are letting you fall into crisis is a very damaging policy for the whole state," said Dana Naimark with the Children's Action Alliance.

Naimark and the Alliance lobbied against the cuts at the legislature. They point out that to be in the program the parent has to be actively looking for work. The changes are estimated to effect 1,700 families, and that includes about 2,700 children.
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/1926738-story

PHOENIX — Confronting a $1 billion budget deficit, Arizona's Republican-led Legislature has reduced the lifetime limit for welfare recipients to the shortest window in the nation.
Low-income families on welfare will have their benefits cut off after just 12 months.
As a result, the Arizona Department of Economic Security will drop at least 1,600 families — including more than 2,700 children — from the state's federally funded welfare program when the budget year begins in July.
The cuts of at least $4 million reflect a prevailing mood among the lawmakers in control in Arizona that welfare, Medicaid and other public assistance programs are crutches that keep the poor from getting back on their feet and achieving their potential.
“I tell my kids all the time that the decisions we make have rewards or consequences, and if I don't ever let them face those consequences, they can't get back on the path to rewards,” Republican Sen. Kelli Ward, R-Lake Havasu City, said during debate on the budget. “As a society, we are encouraging people at times to make poor decisions, and then we reward them.”
Cutting off benefits after one year isn't fair, said Jessica Lopez, 23, who gave birth to her son while living in a domestic violence shelter and has struggled to hold onto jobs because she has dyslexia and didn't finish high school.
“We're all human,” said Lopez, who got $133 per month for about a year until she qualified for a larger federal disability check. “Everybody has problems. Everybody is different. When people ask for help, we should be able to get it without having to be looked at wrong.”
Most states impose a five-year limit on welfare benefits. Thirteen states limit it to two years or less, and Texas has a tiered time limit that can be as little as 12 months but allows children to continue to receive funding after the parents' benefits have been cut off, welfare policy analyst Liz Schott said.
Long-term welfare recipients are often the most vulnerable, suffering from mental and physical disabilities, poor job histories and little education, she said. Without welfare, they'll likely still pose costs to taxpayers, from emergency rooms to shelters to the criminal justice system, Schott said.
“The reason they are on public assistance is because many of them are not really succeeding in the workforce,” said Schott, a senior fellow at the Center of Budget and Policy Priorities. The group was described by UCLA professor Tim Groseclose in his book “Left Turn” as a left-wing research organization.
Arizona's Legislature cut the budgets of an array of programs to meet the governor's no-tax-increase pledge. The bill that included the welfare cuts received overwhelming support this spring from Republicans, with just one Democrat voting in favor.
The Legislature passed a law seeking to force anyone getting Medicaid to have a job and cutting off those benefits after five years.


Read more: http://triblive.com/usworld/nation/8394965-74/welfare-arizona-benefits#ixzz3jslVykEv


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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:03:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&ArticleID=67066&TM=76189.55

Seems that they only want to punch a ticket so that they can continue on welfare.


Why doesn't he offer more money? It just astounds me that so many employers seem to think they can get away with paying starvation wages, and then they wonder why people aren't lined up around the corner to take their jobs. Then they justify trying to hire illegals because (according to the prevailing logic) they do the jobs Americans don't want.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:03:38 PM   
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I am retired and manage a small bar in a Milwaukee suburb. Our Miller rep and district manager for 5 counties had to drop off the beer trailer himself at 6AM this spring.He had 3 guys who he thought would be working for the summer. Not so fast. 2 flunked the drug test and the 3rd guy didn't show up. This was a good job.

I am sure it is...at least as good as the construction job. How is it that people with skills are not standing in line to work for the princely sum of $12 per hour.
How much do you make at the bar?

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:09:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&ArticleID=67066&TM=76189.55

Seems that they only want to punch a ticket so that they can continue on welfare.


Why doesn't he offer more money? It just astounds me that so many employers seem to think they can get away with paying starvation wages, and then they wonder why people aren't lined up around the corner to take their jobs. Then they justify trying to hire illegals because (according to the prevailing logic) they do the jobs Americans don't want.

Out here in the middle of the desert it is a good wage. That is why I live here. Well one of several reasons.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:18:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

http://kdminer.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=797&ArticleID=67066&TM=76189.55

Seems that they only want to punch a ticket so that they can continue on welfare.


Why doesn't he offer more money? It just astounds me that so many employers seem to think they can get away with paying starvation wages, and then they wonder why people aren't lined up around the corner to take their jobs. Then they justify trying to hire illegals because (according to the prevailing logic) they do the jobs Americans don't want.

Out here in the middle of the desert it is a good wage. That is why I live here. Well one of several reasons.


I live in the desert too. Low wages might be survivable as long as rents and utilities are kept low. If not, then people will move on to better conditions.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:32:20 PM   
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Out here in the middle of the desert it is a good wage. That is why I live here. Well one of several reasons.


Is gasoline cheaper in the middle of the desert?
Is food cheaper in the middle of the desert?
Are utilities cheaper in the middle of the desert?
Will you do manual labor for $12 per hour?

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:44:17 PM   
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YEs, Yes, Yes, and oh I've done it for less and with no skills but finally got to $12/hr. My bills are considerably cheaper than my sisterws (we have compatable sized homes give or take 20 sq ft). When she visits us, she is amazed at our gas prices. And I am amazed at the prices in Bullhead City which is 0.10 cents cheaper than ours/gal. Even our pay by the pound goodwill is cheaper than hers. She lives in phoenix, az 150 miles away.

oh and I am 35 miles from casinos in NV and 100 from Vegas. Nice clean air. Dry most of the time. A little breezy for some (we think a 10 mph breese is like no breeze.) 22 miles from the tall pines and oaks with elk and other critters that come into your camp to steal your food. I can see where they used to mine grit for your toothpaste from my house. Gold not that hard to find. 20 miles from one of the largest salt deposits (not tapped) in the US. On a major interstate (I-40) with another (I-11) going in for the N/S corredore.

Most doctors you might want. Love mine. They take the time to see us, not give us alick and a promise.

Large game preserve (mostly exotic cats).

Wild burros and horses to adopt if you want one. I don't.

lots of precious and semi-precious metals and stones if you go look.

Great 4x4 opportunities (take water).

2 AF bases and a Marine Logistics center within 200 miles.

BTW I sent you an e-mail.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 7:58:06 PM   
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YEs, Yes, Yes,


Your gasoline is in the $3 range and a few cents one way or the other is irrelevant.
Utilities are the same across the state you know that.
Food that has to be trucked out into the middle of the desert is not cheaper.




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and oh I've done it for less and with no skills but finally got to $12/hr.


You were in the army and you worked civil service.






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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:04:00 PM   
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This was a summer job for Miller / Coors. They pay well. My salary has nothing to do with it.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:06:15 PM   
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I was also a maintenance planner for a regional airline and worked as a laborer for a store fixture company. Rebuilding freezers and refrigerators for specific purposes is fun work. Sometimes my boss would draw a rectangle on the back of a match book cover and we would have to build a 12 foot something for him. Fell in love with my J-bar. Bought one for home use. My wife, before we got married, built a porch and put it 3/4 of an inch to far out from her house. I moved it in place by myself all 24 feet of it. I used it once to lift an 18 wheeler so we could put stuff under his tires so he could get traction. Helped a resturant owner move his new salad bar by taking one end and he had his 8 men on the other. I never even broke sweat.

I've laid concrete and still ahve my tools. Built all kinds of stuff. I even have union approved electrical tools (thank you home depot for going out of business and putting them on sale for 75% off).

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:16:39 PM   
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So what. I started with At&T in 1975 at $ 118.00 a week. I left there 34 years later at $ 90.000. You have to start some place

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:23:47 PM   
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YEs, Yes, Yes,


Your gasoline is in the $3 range and a few cents one way or the other is irrelevant.
Utilities are the same across the state you know that.
Food that has to be trucked out into the middle of the desert is not cheaper.


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and oh I've done it for less and with no skills but finally got to $12/hr.


You were in the army and you worked civil service.



Compared to Cali and NV, our gas is cheaper.

My utilities do run less than my sisters. We use different services. My monopoly isn't avail in her area. And we also have stuff come via rail. I have price compared Smiths (here) with Fry's (Phoenix) prices (both Kroger Divisions) and our are a bit cheaper overall. Not on all things, but my bill is less than hers and she is single and I am married. We eat basically the same thing.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:24:29 PM   
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So what. I started with At&T in 1975 at $ 118.00 a week. I left there 34 years later at $ 90.000. You have to start some place


The fellow in Arizona was seeking journeyman carpenters with ten years experience their own tools and a vehicle and a commercial drivers license to haul the bosses product in for $10 an hour. Now if you think that is good money then perhaps you should move to Arizona. No one in Arizona thinks it is a good deal because he can't hire anyone

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:30:24 PM   
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The only difference in the price of your gasoline is the tax differential.
If the truck that hauls the foodstuff out to the desert works for free it would make sense that the food would be the same price as it at the central warehouse.
I live in the desert also 300+miles to any real city in a company town of about 200. I am not unaware of the cost of living in the desert.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:32:26 PM   
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The guy is non-union so he pays what the market will bear. I paid $25K for my house 10 years ago. 5 years ago the guy purschased the empty lot next door for $20K. He hasn't improved it yet. I do keep it clean so we reduce the fie hazard there.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:33:03 PM   
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So go work for someone else that will pay what he I worth. This is a free country.

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RE: Unemployed don't want jobs - 8/25/2015 8:34:23 PM   
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The guy is non-union so he pays what the market will bear.


Obviously the market is not bearing it.

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