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ORIGINAL: Holkeft

A choice between 2 dodgy characters ,Trump and Clinton. Trump is a crass vulgar loudmouth who wants to have a shot at running the country . Clinton is known to be corrupt, probably criminally so, and has shown exquisitely dangerous bad judgement as Secretary of State (Libya, Putin, Ben Ghazi, Email Server) . So you have one who might be a disaster and one who is. Surely the better choice is the one who hasn't done anything yet to disqualify himself, unlike his opponent?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

i don't see how in good conscience I can vote for the guy...even with Hillary as the alternative.

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You wouldn’t know it based on the headlines promoted by news outlets across the country, but more than 15 million Republicans, a majority of primary voters, pulled the lever against Donald Trump during the 2016 GOP primary race—the most in American history. Had Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio stayed in the fight through the end of the race, the numbers would have been even worse for Trump.

And yet, despite all of the opposition, Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee—presumptive being the key word. Yes, Trump has won enough primaries to amass the delegates needed to win at the upcoming Republican convention in Cleveland, but as it has been widely reported over the past 24 hours, convention delegates are not necessarily bound to vote for Trump or anyone else, and conservatives inside the party are now frantically working to convince delegates to derail Trump’s nomination at the convention in July.

Without question, it’s a sad, desperate attempt—but it’s also an absolutely imperative one. To save the party, the country, and to stop Hillary Clinton, delegates must do what the majority of GOP primary voters did: reject Trump.

Derailing the Trump Train

Many have wondered how it can be that the delegates may choose anyone they want at the convention when there has been so much talk about delegates being “bound” to the results of primaries. While there is a more-complicated answer to this simple question, as National Review does a fantastic job of explaining, I’ll give you the short-and-sweet version.

Rules for binding convention delegates are determined every four years, shortly before every GOP convention. Prior to the convention, a committee composed of 112 members (two from every state and the six U.S. territories) gather together to approve a set of rules for how the convention will operate. Members are chosen by state convention delegations, and a majority must approve the convention rules before they are sent to the remaining convention delegates for ratification. Once a majority of convention delegates ratify the rules, a vote is cast to determine who the party’s candidate for president will be.

While state laws and state parties may require their delegates to be “bound” to state primary results, courts have determined national convention rules trump (pun intended) state rules and that laws cannot be passed to govern how a private association—the Republican Party—chooses its candidate for president.

If the rules committee passes a rule allowing delegates to vote for any candidate they want and a majority of the convention delegates ratify it, Trump can only be the nominee if he’s chosen to be the nominee freely. Delegates will not be bound to vote for him...

As you might imagine, if the GOP rules committee actually succeeds in allowing delegates to vote for whomever they please, the political world would be rocked and cries from the millions of Trump supporters of “thievery” by the dreaded Establishment would echo across the nation—even if Trump wins in the end.

While such a scheme may very well be unfair, it’s certainly not illegal and it’s definitely not “theft.” The nomination does not belong to Trump, no matter how many times he and others in the media say it does. It belongs to the party as a whole, and the party has governing rules in place that allow it to change the rules, unbind delegates, etc. These are the rules Trump agreed to, even if he didn’t know it, when he decided to run for president as a Republican.

As recent polling shows, Clinton, who will almost certainly end up being the Democrats’ choice, beats Trump in almost every important measure, including having the knowledge to effectively serve, temperament, and even integrity. Also, Trump’s recent outlandish comments about Judge Gonzalo Curiel have drawn criticism from even his most ardent supporters. Some Republicans have even reversed their willingness to vote for Trump, including Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk.Things are likely only going to get worse, and it’s hard to imagine how any of this could be good for the party, the conservative movement, or the country. Trump must be stopped, no matter what the political ramifications.

Should the convention delegates choose a candidate other than Trump, the more than 13 million voters who went to the polls in support of him would unquestionably be deprived of the candidate they worked so hard for, and on one level, I sympathize with them. The rules were put in place, and according to the rules, Trump won. Changing the rules after the fact would, in my opinion, be a despicable, wretched act—but no more despicable or wretched than many of the things Trump has said and done in the past...

A man who lies, cheats, and steals his way to the top has no moral high ground to stand on when he himself is “cheated.”

Trump’s supporters may leave the GOP if Trump is pushed out, and perhaps Clinton will end up winning as a result. But if Republicans are ever going to be taken seriously again, they must do everything they can now to block Trump. And frankly, I’d rather lose the election but maintain the integrity of the party than succumb to Trump’s wishy-washy quasi-liberal brand of early 20th century nationalism, which, by the way, will likely lose in the end anyway.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

doubtful this would happen, but im not so sure I would mind too much if it did...

"GOP Delegates Should Block Trump at Convention to Make America Great Again"

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You wouldn’t know it based on the headlines promoted by news outlets across the country, but more than 15 million Republicans, a majority of primary voters, pulled the lever against Donald Trump during the 2016 GOP primary race—the most in American history. Had Cruz, Kasich, and Rubio stayed in the fight through the end of the race, the numbers would have been even worse for Trump.

And yet, despite all of the opposition, Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee—presumptive being the key word. Yes, Trump has won enough primaries to amass the delegates needed to win at the upcoming Republican convention in Cleveland, but as it has been widely reported over the past 24 hours, convention delegates are not necessarily bound to vote for Trump or anyone else, and conservatives inside the party are now frantically working to convince delegates to derail Trump’s nomination at the convention in July.

Without question, it’s a sad, desperate attempt—but it’s also an absolutely imperative one. To save the party, the country, and to stop Hillary Clinton, delegates must do what the majority of GOP primary voters did: reject Trump.

Derailing the Trump Train

Many have wondered how it can be that the delegates may choose anyone they want at the convention when there has been so much talk about delegates being “bound” to the results of primaries. While there is a more-complicated answer to this simple question, as National Review does a fantastic job of explaining, I’ll give you the short-and-sweet version.

Rules for binding convention delegates are determined every four years, shortly before every GOP convention. Prior to the convention, a committee composed of 112 members (two from every state and the six U.S. territories) gather together to approve a set of rules for how the convention will operate. Members are chosen by state convention delegations, and a majority must approve the convention rules before they are sent to the remaining convention delegates for ratification. Once a majority of convention delegates ratify the rules, a vote is cast to determine who the party’s candidate for president will be.

While state laws and state parties may require their delegates to be “bound” to state primary results, courts have determined national convention rules trump (pun intended) state rules and that laws cannot be passed to govern how a private association—the Republican Party—chooses its candidate for president.

If the rules committee passes a rule allowing delegates to vote for any candidate they want and a majority of the convention delegates ratify it, Trump can only be the nominee if he’s chosen to be the nominee freely. Delegates will not be bound to vote for him...

As you might imagine, if the GOP rules committee actually succeeds in allowing delegates to vote for whomever they please, the political world would be rocked and cries from the millions of Trump supporters of “thievery” by the dreaded Establishment would echo across the nation—even if Trump wins in the end.

While such a scheme may very well be unfair, it’s certainly not illegal and it’s definitely not “theft.” The nomination does not belong to Trump, no matter how many times he and others in the media say it does. It belongs to the party as a whole, and the party has governing rules in place that allow it to change the rules, unbind delegates, etc. These are the rules Trump agreed to, even if he didn’t know it, when he decided to run for president as a Republican.

As recent polling shows, Clinton, who will almost certainly end up being the Democrats’ choice, beats Trump in almost every important measure, including having the knowledge to effectively serve, temperament, and even integrity. Also, Trump’s recent outlandish comments about Judge Gonzalo Curiel have drawn criticism from even his most ardent supporters. Some Republicans have even reversed their willingness to vote for Trump, including Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk.Things are likely only going to get worse, and it’s hard to imagine how any of this could be good for the party, the conservative movement, or the country. Trump must be stopped, no matter what the political ramifications.

Should the convention delegates choose a candidate other than Trump, the more than 13 million voters who went to the polls in support of him would unquestionably be deprived of the candidate they worked so hard for, and on one level, I sympathize with them. The rules were put in place, and according to the rules, Trump won. Changing the rules after the fact would, in my opinion, be a despicable, wretched act—but no more despicable or wretched than many of the things Trump has said and done in the past...

A man who lies, cheats, and steals his way to the top has no moral high ground to stand on when he himself is “cheated.”

Trump’s supporters may leave the GOP if Trump is pushed out, and perhaps Clinton will end up winning as a result. But if Republicans are ever going to be taken seriously again, they must do everything they can now to block Trump. And frankly, I’d rather lose the election but maintain the integrity of the party than succumb to Trump’s wishy-washy quasi-liberal brand of early 20th century nationalism, which, by the way, will likely lose in the end anyway.

http://townhall.com/columnists/justinhaskins/2016/06/11/gop-delegates-should-block-trump-at-convention-to-make-america-great-again-n2176680

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
She reminds me of the mother in the original Manchurian Candidate.

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
She reminds me of the mother in the original Manchurian Candidate.

Considering what I've heard come out of Chelsea's mouth, you may be closer to the truth than you think.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
She reminds me of the mother in the original Manchurian Candidate.

Considering what I've heard come out of Chelsea's mouth, you may be closer to the truth than you think.

Did you think that was a joke?

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

ANY Dem. wins if we can just keep the Donald talking.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

well but that's the thing though, Clinton supporters will vote for her no matter what...in fact I just saw a statistic confirming that. the number of people who would NOT vote for her if she does (or did) something terrible, is in the single digits percentage-wise.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

well but that's the thing though, Clinton supporters will vote for her no matter what...in fact I just saw a statistic confirming that. the number of people who would NOT vote for her if she does (or did) something terrible, is in the single digits percentage-wise.

Unfortunately, it won't be Clinton supporters but rather Trump haters that pushes her over the top.

eta For the third consecutive time, the Republican party has a very beatable opponent and they step on their dick.

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Once again Hillary’s been caught lying about her criminal mishandling of classified national security information. Recall that Ms.
Clinton swears none of the emails which passed through her off-the-record email server system was ever marked classified.

Uh oh. Au contraire, madam, once again you are exposed as a liar.

Fox News gets the credit. In an exclusive report published June 11, Fox News revealed that one of Ms. Clinton’s emails had a “portion marking” that identified the specific information contained in the “portion” as being classified. That means the information was sensitive and was legally protected.

[there's a screen shot on the site of an email clearly marked "CONFIDENTIAL"]

This email, which was classified as “Confidential,” was sent to Hillary Clinton on her private server and then forwarded by her...

This revelation is another drip in the steady drip drip drip drip of revelations regarding Hillary Clinton’s criminal mishandling of classified national security information. It demonstrates why the FBI is conducting a criminal investigation.

As I wrote this past February, Clinton committed a crime involving the mishandling of classified information. However, the mainstream media still frame the issue as an “email scandal.” Clinton assures us that she won’t be indicted. However, she also assured the world that no information marked classified passed through her server.

We now have evidence that classified information did pass through your rogue server, Hillary.

And rogue server it was. The recently released State Department’s Office of the Inspector General report gutted several other Clinton lies, especially her claim that she and her staff used email communication procedures permitted by the State Department and employed by other former Secretaries of State.

That claim was false.

The noose continues to tighten.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: BamaD

Clinton would be and will do everything in her power to undermine the Constitution.


Hillary wants to repeal income tax?
Hillary wants to reinstitute slavery?
Hillary wants to make christinity the national religion of amerika?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: BamaD

That is your choice but I think Hillary is the worst person we have ever had run for president. She is as corrupt and LBJ, as compasionate as Nixon and like her husband thinks the world is safer with a nucular China than an nucular U S.

China acquired the nuclear capacity in 1964 dumbass when bill clinton was still in high school.