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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/22/2015 11:09:26 AM   
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Hilary clinton turned over all her e-mails and then more turn up LOL Yup


If we were to hold all the Republicans and those running for the 2016 election, to the same level of accountability and responsibility as we do with Mrs. Clinton.....

....How many of those Republicans and Tea Partiers could hold up under such scrutiny?

Not A One.....

An how many conservatives hold the GOP/TP to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam President Obama and Democrats on an hourly basis?

Not A One.....

But it is amusing to watch you shovel bullshit. Play all the games of ignorance, evading, back-pedaling, and side-stepping. The whole of your ideology is caught....RED HANDED.....! You dont like it when Democrats do it, why do you allow Republican/Tea Party to do it?


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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/22/2015 11:20:14 AM   
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Better to have a free thinking mind that considers high level concepts and not just the lower level ones, is it not? Or do you prefer minds that never question authority nor things spoken and/or heard?

you really don't know anything about me such that you can even come close to saying what you just did...

that you think you do is pretty good evidence of the self-aggrandizement and pomposity that makes you insufferable.


I am not the one stating I need to know anything about you. I asked which of two things would you rather have?

But I'll entertain your question.....

Assuming nothing on your profile is correct, I do know quite a bit about you:

Your conservative/libertarian in nature. Your education is not higher than an A.S., and more likely that of a High School Diploma. Your understanding of science is not even in the 10th grade. You can understand the English language. You do not think nor explain things in depth; preferring to keep short and simple answers. Often those answers do not stand up well or long to in-depth discussions. Your level of maturity is abnormal of the negative level. You have trouble understanding deep constitutional questions and issues (but open to learning if the person approaches you from a non-threatening manner).

Most likely:

...between the ages of zero and death.
...Homo Sapien.
...A mammal
...Wonder your place in the universe/life
...You breath oxygen, need to drink water at least every other day and consume 2000 calories once every four days.
...Never really had people challenge your belief system.
...Not positive on the future of the United States of America
...Not very proficient with your knowledge of the Affordable Care Act
...Could not rattle off the five parts of the 1st amendment
...Can not name the dollar amount under the 7th amendment
...Can name all fifty states of the United States of America
...Do drive
...Vote infrequently (i.e. not every single election)
...Dislike liberals whom you do not understand
...Can not correctly define the word 'liberal' or where its origin comes from in language
...belief if someone states they are conservative, they agree with your views 100% of the time


How am I doing?

how are you doing? id say you just (and not for the first time actually) demonstrated you are the biggest horse's ass and low life weasel on the forums, except for that I love animals too much...and wrong on every matter of consequence in your fantasy guesses. you had about as much success there as you do figuring out the difference between "who" and "whom."


Do you even realize how much of an idiot you just declared yourself to be?

You stated the following is not true:

1 ) You can not understand the English Language.

If this was true, how are you able to reply to my posts?

2 ) You are not between age zero and death.

Either your 'unborned', 'undead' or 'never existed'. In order for you to reply, one of those would have to be true, if you were not alive.

3 ) You need oxygen to live, water to drink.

Without obtaining 2000 calories every three days, begins starvation that rapidly builds upon the body. Prolong exposure *always* results in death! Its called Medical Science.

4 ) Knowledge of the ACA, nor the US Constitution.

This basically removes all credibility on either of these subjects you might ever have.

Here is some free advice: GET A CLUE!

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/22/2015 11:37:24 AM   
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here's a synopsis of the issue, which is an extension of what I posted in #13:

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/14/planned-parenthood-was-exposed-selling-body-parts-of-aborted-babies-how-can-that-be-legal/


That's all interesting, but ignores several factors:

1 ) I stated in the OP that Planned Parenthood has not broken any laws, nor is operating in a medically, unethical manner. (assuming you watch the three hour video, which you did not, nor did your source).

2 ) Should Congress have medical people explain this subject more in-depth? That Journalist 'do their fucking job' and explain this in-depth to the American people? Because neither will really happened.

3 ) The current laws allow for all this to take place. If you dislike it, add more regulation. Of course, don't later complain about all the regulation (in general) to businesses. Otherwise your just a hypocrite! You can't have things both ways.

4 ) Why do you think Planned Parenthood does this practice in the first place? They are not making anything beyond 'break even costs'. Why are medical companies interested?

You dont even know the answer to either. If you did, you wouldn't have a problem with the practice (assuming a company is legal, ethical, and truthful of its business practices). Do you know why we dont give infant children the same dosage of Ibuprofen as we do adults? It would kill them! Every drug and medical treatment company is forced to run tests per the FDA. Even if the drug or treatment would not normally be administered to a particular age of patient. That way if 'shit goes wrong', the medical community has some idea on how to treat the situation immediately. Kids do get into all sorts of problems with drugs (very young ages have been showing to identify prescription drugs looking like candy). So if a particular drug would help an adult with a lung problem, could the drug/treatment do the same to a child or infant's lung?

Lets just say, this stuff is REALLY complicated, and I'm 'simplifying' a very complex and ethical discussion found elsewhere on the web. There are people with multiple PH.D.'s whom discuss the concept of human body parts as it relates to drug and treatment conditions. That for decades there has been highly educated and trained individuals that discuss the merits and ethics of using human body parts (or whole cadavers) to understand how drugs might effect the living, human body.


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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/22/2015 11:44:53 AM   
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It’s not been a good week if you’re Planned Parenthood. First, your senior director of medical services is busted describing how you use illegal abortions to illegally harvest the organs of unborn babies. Then your PR company tells you to admit to harvesting the organs, and Congress opens up an investigation into your practices...

Given how great this week has gone for Planned Parenthood, I can’t wait for the next grisly video from the Center for Medical Progress. They’ve promised one new video per week for the foreseeable future, which will hopefully shock us out of our national apathy about abortion.


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/17/planned-parenthoods-very-bad-awful-week-continues/comment-page-1/#comments



Did you even realize I posted the three hour video that shows...THE FACTS?

No, neither does your source. Which is what I'm getting at in the OP. That 'facts', 'truth' and 'evidence' are thrown out to push a political ideology based on lies, falsehoods, and character assassinations. Many conservatives and libertarians (you yourself is one of them) hate when those in government lie, or misrepresent things. Or was 'Benghazi' simply a small irrelevant news topic that lasted only a day on the news?

An things were very much checked out on Benghazi, right?

Any did any of those whom accused Mrs. Clinton or President Obama of wrong doing, later apologize?

No. Because that would be showing integrity! Showing someone trying to make amends to a wrong doing they brought upon others. Same issue here. If there was wrong doing, wouldn't the FBI have already stated they will investigate the matter? Arrested those whom have broken laws?

If you not like it when Democrats and liberals/moderates lie or hide the truth, why are you 'OK' when Republican/Tea Party and/or conservatives/libertarians, do the same thing?

Answer me that question. Because your currently supporting the liars anyway you can!

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/25/2015 8:00:07 PM   
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More on the subject of lying organizations...

A representative from Coca-Cola confirmed for The Daily Signal that the company does not contribute to Planned Parenthood, nor does it match employee contributions to the organization. When told that its named appeared on Planned Parenthood’s website, the Coca-Cola representative said, “We’ll ask them to correct the information.”

Other companies voiced similar concerns about Planned Parenthood’s donor list.

“We are making sure that Ford Motor Company is not listed as a Planned Parenthood contributor on their website,” a representative from Ford told The Daily Signal. “In addition, we do not offer an employee match for charitable contributions,” the Ford representative said. It has been at least 10 years since Ford stopped matching employee gift contributions, the representative added. Ford Motor Co. says it was incorrectly listed as a Planned Parenthood donor.

Similarly, Xerox was listed on the Planned Parenthood website and has said it also does not donate in any way. “We checked our files for the last 20 years and have no record of Xerox Corp. contributing to Planned Parenthood,” a representative from Xerox told The Daily Signal. By Wednesday afternoon, Planned Parenthood had removed Xerox from its list of companies that match gifts to the organization.

By Thursday morning, Planned Parenthood removed every company name listed as a donor.


Source

K.



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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 8:37:51 AM   
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I can see both sides of this coin.

If they didn't sell fetal tissue they would be paying hefty bio-hazard disposal bills. At the prices that were quoted in the "scandalous video" any profit above collection and storage costs just might fund part of the bill for disposing of the parts no one wants. Medical professionals really do lose any emotional baggage attached to body parts in their training. Callously mercantile over baby parts or just being candid with who she thought was another medical professional; you can't tell from the video really.

Planned Parenthood has a long history of being attacked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

There was a time when it was illegal to provide information on contraception.

Going back to when I was a teen....
I'm old enough to remember when condoms were never put on the shelf in the drug store, they were issued by the pharmacy, and it was illegal to sell one to a minor. Ever hear of having to have a prescription to buy a condom? I got one from Planned Parenthood.
In the 1970s; Planned Parenthood offices were about the only place a teen woman could actually get information about birth control. A mainstream OB/GYN didn't dare for fear of losing his practice for "contributing to the delinquency of a minor".

Having had dealings with both Planned Parenthood and the Right to Life, http://www.nrlc.org/ , I'll put more credence in the one that didn't spawn fire bombings of women's clinics.

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 10:21:28 AM   
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Medical professionals really do lose any emotional baggage attached to body parts in their training.


Repeated for truth.
Its not just medical pros in the "fetal harvesting" business.
EMTs, firemen, doctors, nurses, orderlies, morticians, funeral directors, cops, etc etc all detach up to a point when dealing with "each other" as in people who understand, gallows humour.
Its a release valve for the tragedy they see on a daily basis.




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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 4:23:17 PM   
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Medical professionals really do lose any emotional baggage attached to body parts in their training.


Repeated for truth.
Its not just medical pros in the "fetal harvesting" business.
EMTs, firemen, doctors, nurses, orderlies, morticians, funeral directors, cops, etc etc all detach up to a point when dealing with "each other" as in people who understand, gallows humour.
Its a release valve for the tragedy they see on a daily basis.

I don't know how they'd cope otherwise.

Just being a patient in a hospital, I was overwhelmed by the suffering all around me.


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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 5:07:07 PM   
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All politicians, joe, should be held to total scrutiny. What's your point?

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 5:49:51 PM   
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All politicians, joe, should be held to total scrutiny. What's your point?


His point is that he is going to deflect criticism of anyone on the Left by attempting to point out his hypocrisy hallucinations. It isn't enough that Bush is no longer in office. If you didn't rail at Bush's spending and deficits, you can't rail at Obama's, nevermind that Bush isn't in office any longer, so that's really immaterial.


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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 5:52:11 PM   
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LOL DS That is what I was hoping he would figure out. LOL

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 6:13:48 PM   
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LOL DS That is what I was hoping he would figure out. LOL


He already knows it.


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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 6:33:28 PM   
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even though comrade penguin doesn't want the thread to be about abortion, the article I am quoting this from is about a similarity in philosophy between a former Nazi doctor who received brains from euthanized people and planned parenthood when they say "oh, this is advancing medical science and saving lives." perhaps a topic for another time. for now though:

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consider this testimony from a pre-med student who went from pro-abortion to pro-life in one day after witnessing the abortion of a baby less than 14 weeks old:

“When I entered the operating room, it felt like any other I had ever been in. On the table in front of me, I saw a woman, legs up as if delivering a child although she was asleep. Next to her was a tray of instruments for the abortion and a vacuum machine for suctioning the fetal tissues from the uterus. The doctors put on their gowns and masks and the procedure began. The cervix was held open with a crude metal instrument and a large transparent tube was stuck inside of the woman. Within a matter of seconds, the machine’s motor was engaged and blood, tissue, and tiny organs were pulled out of their environment into a filter. A minute later, the vacuum choked to a halt. The tube was removed, and stuck to the end was a small body and a head attached haphazardly to it, what was formed of the neck snapped. The ribs had formed with a thin skin covering them, the eyes had formed, and the inner organs had begun to function. The tiny heart of the fetus, obviously a little boy, had just stopped — forever. The vacuum filter was opened, and the tiny arms and legs that had been torn off of the fetus were accounted for. The fingers and toes had the beginnings of their nails on them. The doctors, proud of their work, reassembled the body to show me. Tears welled up in my eyes as they removed the baby boy from the table and shoved his body into a container for disposal.”


http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2015/07/26/the-nazis-medical-research-and-planned-parenthood-n2030195/page/2

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/26/2015 7:14:54 PM   
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(That would make a good memoir title, I'm starting to think.)

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/28/2015 1:38:42 AM   
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Mathematics is not the strong suit of the GOP/TP, one only has to look up that 'fiscal conservative' and 'fiscal responsibility' guys that grew the national debt from $2 trillion to $11.5 trillion between 2000 to 2008. For conservatives, it seems they accept what their masters tell them is true or not....


Might as well, since we can't look to you and yours for it.

You are a liar, Joether. Shall we start out with the obvious: President Bush was not in charge of spending for FY2000, so any attempt to foist debt on his watch would correctly be FY2001-2009. I'm sure you knew that, so, you lied.

Next lie: $2T-$11.5T

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

I know it's not easy info to find (), so I went to my super secret search engine (aka "Google") and looked up "national debt in 2000." The link above was found after much searching and wading through ad links and... okay, it was the 2nd entry after the 3 ads.

National Debt on 9/30/2000: $5.67T (not $2T)
National Debt on 9/30/2008: $10.0T (not $11.5T)

You probably used the debt numbers from the proper years, so, let's look at that, shall we?

National Debt on 9/30/2001: $5.8T
National Debt on 9/30/2009: $11.9T

FFS, Joether!! Not only did you lie about what years W was in control of the economy, but you lied abut how much debt there was!! To be sure, W piled debt on like it was going out of style. "Slick Willy" only added, roughly, $1.4T in his 8 years, so W was an awful lot worse than him (and conservatives were not happy about W's spending, no matter what bullshit you sling). Bush's final 2 years saw a debt increase of $2.9T, almost half of all the debt his Administration oversaw.

So, where is our debt now? $17.8T, as of 9/30/2014. $5.9T added during Obama's first 5 years in control. Annual deficits have dropped (even though spending hasn't) as the economy has been recovering. Revenues have been at all-time highs, yet we keep adding to the debt.

You are ethically bankrupt.


I like this guy.

I hate communists and liars.

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/28/2015 1:42:32 AM   
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Hilary clinton turned over all her e-mails and then more turn up LOL Yup


If we were to hold all the Republicans and those running for the 2016 election, to the same level of accountability and responsibility as we do with Mrs. Clinton.....

....How many of those Republicans and Tea Partiers could hold up under such scrutiny?

Not A One.....

An how many conservatives hold the GOP/TP to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam President Obama and Democrats on an hourly basis?

Not A One.....

But it is amusing to watch you shovel bullshit. Play all the games of ignorance, evading, back-pedaling, and side-stepping. The whole of your ideology is caught....RED HANDED.....! You dont like it when Democrats do it, why do you allow Republican/Tea Party to do it?




Provide details. You cannot just make statements without offering proof. Give us specific examples or admit what you are.

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RE: Lying Republicans and Organiations - 7/28/2015 1:56:07 AM   
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this first one is a little dated, but the situations actually worse today:

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According to the most recent census data available for race (2000), black women make up 12.3% of the female population in America, but accounted for 36.4% of all U.S. abortions in 2006


http://wholeworldinhishands.com/world/abortion-statistics-by-race.html

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I wonder if anyone is at all surprised that the charnel house of Kermit Gosnell’s abortion clinic in Philadelphia turns out to be just one of many across the country? Lila Rose, president of Live Action, is releasing several undercover videos that prove the fact. Located in the Bronx and Washington, D.C., these abortion centers share a matter-of-fact, if sickening, attitude toward babies that survive a late term abortion. They will be placed in a jar until they stop breathing, says a helpful worker at the Bronx clinic. They also share another troubling characteristic: they serve a mainly minority population.

Why is this troubling? As a Hispanic woman, I find the racial statistics of abortion deeply unsettling. Among white women, there were 138 abortions for every 1,000 births. Among black women, the number rises to a dizzying 501 abortions. Hispanic women account for 25% of all US abortions, though Hispanics make up just 16% of the population. While we hear a lot of agonizing over the high murder rate of minorities, we don’t hear much about the thinning of the minorities by abortion. Truly the most dangerous place for a black baby is in his mother’s womb, and a Hispanic baby is not far behind.


http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-racial-statistics-of-abortion-cannot-be-ignored/

the paradox, or irony here is when these sorts of numbers occur in saying, hiring, or arrests, or business transactions (mortgages, real estate etc), the left is up in arms over it. but here, it must be that blacks and Hispanics are being well-served?


The KKK is thriving, in todays Democrat party.



I love irony.

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