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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/12/2015 11:27:42 PM   
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Homeland security did proclaim veterans to be the number 1 security threat


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Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 2:11:47 AM   
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Homeland security did proclaim veterans to be the number 1 security threat


Do you mean this?

Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment


I think if you crunch the numbers, disgruntal military vets (section U of the link) increases the potential of being number one. In reality it isn't so.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 12:49:50 PM   
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Homeland security did proclaim veterans to be the number 1 security threat


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I am referring to the release by Obama's Chief of Homeland security in 2009. It made me wonder what they had planned to tick of veterans.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 2:12:13 PM   
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Merc I suggest you re-read. It only applies to those that want them not all. And govt tracking occurs anyway. Healthcare on the web. The loss of millions of personnel records going back to when we were in the military. drivers license, state ID card, arrest record, etc.


I guess my sarcasm attempt was a fail.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 2:37:16 PM   
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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 2:57:37 PM   
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I think it goes back to the days of Viet Nam when it was socially accepted to spit on and throw stuff at military personnel. I think that regardless of whether or not they have since changed her minds, they instilled the hatred against military personnel into their children.


God, in the UK, it goes back at least as far as WW1 and probably a lot farther. Infamously, now, the 'land fit for heroes' never existed for the thousands of soldiers returning from that particular butchery.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 3:29:42 PM   
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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 3:37:59 PM   
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I think it goes back to the days of Viet Nam when it was socially accepted to spit on and throw stuff at military personnel. I think that regardless of whether or not they have since changed her minds, they instilled the hatred against military personnel into their children.


God, in the UK, it goes back at least as far as WW1 and probably a lot farther. Infamously, now, the 'land fit for heroes' never existed for the thousands of soldiers returning from that particular butchery.

Civilians have always held soldiers in contempt unless they see a direct threat to them. I once had a woman say that when they are in combat they deserve anything they can get, but during peace they shouldn't complain about anything being taken from them since no one is shooting at them.
In plain English they should get all possible benefits when they are in combat and can't use them, but they have no right to them when they can use them. Most people don't realize that the military's first job is to prevent a war.

I saw an episode of STNG where they came across a culture that while it saw the need to fight, veterans where segregated from the rest of society because they felt that combat has corrupted their souls beyond redemption.
Extreme but sci fi often uses extremes to make a point. In this case I saw it as what down deep civilians suspected about veterans.

This problems has existed in almost every culture in history.
Sparta and the Vikings come to mind as two of the few exceptions.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 3:42:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Truth Not many soldiers prefer war to peace. I know a few otherwise, but I believe they have a mental problem (most just plain liked killing people and used war to that end)

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 3:45:00 PM   
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Truth Not many soldiers prefer war to peace. I know a few otherwise, but I believe they have a mental problem (most just plain liked killing people and used war to that end)

I agree.


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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 3:52:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Governments hold veterans in contempt, Bama. That's my feeling. Actually, they're more embarrassed by them than anything else. Governments get themselves involved in a war which they always claim at the outset is utterly justified. As it's going on, they always claim that it's going well. There is *never* a neat and tidy ending to said war - especially not post WW2.

And the fighters come back basically wrecked. All the BS, all the propaganda ... none of it makes up for the fact that those people are just human and what they've been through just bottom-line isn't bearable for humans. All the fanfare, all the glory and the great big triumphant noises - you can't have vets wandering around being broken by it all and killing everyone's zany flag-waving vibes. Doesn't 'look right'.

It's just all-round horrible, in my view. It always has been. I look at so many vets and think, 'Those people have been through just too much ugliness and there's no way back for them'. God help the poor sods. The most unforgivable social thing of all is seeing these people homeless and out of their heads on the streets and - worst of all (as I hear it, re the UK case at least) dying in greater numbers as a result of suicide than they ever did in whichever war they fought in. It's all beyond shameful.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:00:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you totally peon......................seeing a vet in trouble of any kind always brings back Kiplings poem about 'Tommy" that I used to like as a kid. Kipling was a war-mongering imperialist but he hit the nail on the head with that one.
The poignant verse is:


For it's Tommy this and Tommy that,
and kick him out the brute.
But it's 'Savour of his country,'
When the guns begin to shoot

It kinda rings a few bells.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:24:11 PM   
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Governments hold veterans in contempt, Bama. That's my feeling. Actually, they're more embarrassed by them than anything else. Governments get themselves involved in a war which they always claim at the outset is utterly justified. As it's going on, they always claim that it's going well. There is *never* a neat and tidy ending to said war - especially not post WW2.

And the fighters come back basically wrecked. All the BS, all the propaganda ... none of it makes up for the fact that those people are just human and what they've been through just bottom-line isn't bearable for humans. All the fanfare, all the glory and the great big triumphant noises - you can't have vets wandering around being broken by it all and killing everyone's zany flag-waving vibes. Doesn't 'look right'.

It's just all-round horrible, in my view. It always has been. I look at so many vets and think, 'Those people have been through just too much ugliness and there's no way back for them'. God help the poor sods. The most unforgivable social thing of all is seeing these people homeless and out of their heads on the streets and - worst of all (as I hear it, re the UK case at least) dying in greater numbers as a result of suicide than they ever did in whichever war they fought in. It's all beyond shameful.

The way back would be so much easier if so many people didn't think it was hopeless. You are displaying a milder form of the thinking followed by those people on STNG.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:26:10 PM   
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I agree with you totally peon......................seeing a vet in trouble of any kind always brings back Kiplings poem about 'Tommy" that I used to like as a kid. Kipling was a war-mongering imperialist but he hit the nail on the head with that one.
The poignant verse is:


For it's Tommy this and Tommy that,
and kick him out the brute.
But it's 'Savour of his country,'
When the guns begin to shoot

It kinda rings a few bells.

Thank you, I was trying to remember that verse earlier, and that is the civilians, not the government.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:39:20 PM   
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The way back would be so much easier if so many people didn't think it was hopeless. You are displaying a milder form of the thinking followed by those people on STNG.


What's STNG? I googled it and got only 'Star Trek, the Next Generation'.

What do you mean, anyway, Bama?

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:43:26 PM   
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The way back would be so much easier if so many people didn't think it was hopeless. You are displaying a milder form of the thinking followed by those people on STNG.


What's STNG? I googled it and got only 'Star Trek, the Next Generation'.

What do you mean, anyway, Bama?

You got the right thing see post 28.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:50:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Legion's thinking is that vets are probably better off in each others company I believe; hence the homes where 'Les Vieux' of the legion can live together but still in their own rooms and make themselves useful in different ways ( and rehash old battles and experiences) *smile*.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 4:54:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I guess that is very similar to the culture in Bamas STNG. I visited an old comrade in one of those places one time and though a lot of those guys are in their 50's and 60's, I STILL wouldn't want to go up against them, armed or bare-handed.

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 5:09:24 PM   
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So I guess that is very similar to the culture in Bamas STNG. I visited an old comrade in one of those places one time and though a lot of those guys are in their 50's and 60's, I STILL wouldn't want to go up against them, armed or bare-handed.

The last part of your post reminds me of an incident about 10 years ago.
Some thugs in the Bahamas tried to strong arm some "old" tourists.
Turned out they were picking on a D-day unit reunion.
One escaped.
The cops said the other broke his own neck attempting to break the headlock one of the "old" men had him in.

Associating with people who have similar experiences is not the same as being shunned by the rest of society.
Look and almost any film portrayal of Vietnam vets from the 70's

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RE: Personal Annoyance - 7/13/2015 5:16:19 PM   
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The way back would be so much easier if so many people didn't think it was hopeless. You are displaying a milder form of the thinking followed by those people on STNG.


What's STNG? I googled it and got only 'Star Trek, the Next Generation'.

What do you mean, anyway, Bama?

You got the right thing see post 28.


OK, got it.

But I won't accept that soldiers are 'a race apart'. That people can think that is exactly the root problem, in fact, as far as I can see.

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