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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Anyone can make a zip gun.

It`s quite another thing to make a functioning AR-15.

And you`re wrong.

3D printers and CNC milling machines like the one in the vid, are new to the market.

I ran a CNC machine when I worked making jewelry manufacturing tools, dies and punches.

It cost about $ 300,000 and it was a small scale machine compared to the ones I trained on.

Considering the greatest threat to America and Americans today comes from loony-rightie-wingies/white supremacists and bundy ranch shit eaters types,we should definitely be keeping an eye on who`s buying millers and blanks.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Anyone can make a zip gun.

It`s quite another thing to make a functioning AR-15.

And you`re wrong.

3D printers and CNC milling machines like the one in the vid, are new to the market.

I ran a CNC machine when I worked making jewelry manufacturing tools, dies and punches.

It cost about $ 300,000 and it was a small scale machine compared to the ones I trained on.

Considering the greatest threat to America and Americans today comes from loony-rightie-wingies/white supremacists and bundy ranch shit eaters types,we should definitely be keeping an eye on who`s buying millers and blanks.

$500,000 in the 80s.
240,000 in the 90s.. etc.

Now you can have a small one for about 3 grand in your garage. Cheap home units are new to the market but the same concept as before.
I guess everyone harps on the AR-15 as it looks like some kind of a ray gun. But, the AR-15 actually a really poor choice for a firearm.

And I do disagree with what is the threat to America. I see the biggest threat as the lunatics that are so worried and terrified that someone might enjoy doing something that isn't a custom of their own little tribe that they are ready to send armed troops to stop them. I see as a threat those that want to pass more and more restrictive laws and criminalize more and more of the citizens in this country.

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

For spray and pray I am a fan of the M3A1 submachine gun

For accuracy the M14 (which has spray and pray ability if needed) or the old Springfield. Although the M1D is pretty good too.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

M-14 vs M-16... on the rifle range.

M-14 -after 2000 rounds or thereabouts, they got a full strip down and bath in the solvent tank. Then got dressed up with a new firing pin and new sear spring. Back on the line.

M-16 - After about 3000 rounds they had to be shipped back for depot level repair as certain parts of the lower receiver had to be re-machined to have the tolerance to fire reliably again.

I like John Ringo's line on the M-16; "Barbie gun. Takes way too many rounds to take down a Zombie"

If you go for an M-14 or the civilian semi-auto (Springfield A1A) get the wooden stock. One of the problems with the lighter nylon stock that came into vogue was the balance. The wooden stock gave the weapon a balance point right at the magazine. With the nylon stock it was so barrel heavy we would dig up bullets from the range and stuff in the cleaning kit compartment to try and balance them again. And, if you try the manual of arms with a nylon stock; you end up with the stock in pieces. Not to mention the problem with trying a rifle spin when it spins around the fore grip. (We talked the CO into using the old oak stocks for the honor guard group after showing him how looney tunes the new nylon stocks behaved)

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

M-14 vs M-16... on the rifle range.

M-14 -after 2000 rounds or thereabouts, they got a full strip down and bath in the solvent tank. Then got dressed up with a new firing pin and new sear spring. Back on the line.

M-16 - After about 3000 rounds they had to be shipped back for depot level repair as certain parts of the lower receiver had to be re-machined to have the tolerance to fire reliably again.

I like John Ringo's line on the M-16; "Barbie gun. Takes way too many rounds to take down a Zombie"

If you go for an M-14 or the civilian semi-auto (Springfield A1A) get the wooden stock. One of the problems with the lighter nylon stock that came into vogue was the balance. The wooden stock gave the weapon a balance point right at the magazine. With the nylon stock it was so barrel heavy we would dig up bullets from the range and stuff in the cleaning kit compartment to try and balance them again. And, if you try the manual of arms with a nylon stock; you end up with the stock in pieces. Not to mention the problem with trying a rifle spin when it spins around the fore grip. (We talked the CO into using the old oak stocks for the honor guard group after showing him how looney tunes the new nylon stocks behaved)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
The latest from the lunatic fringe.....

http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2014/10/06/39699/make-your-own-assault-rifle-at-home-with-the-ghost/

Unregistered, un traceable ,un known ,automatic assault riffles are now a thing.....

How many LEOs, guards and innocent victims will we lose b/c of them.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-device-that-automatically-manufactures-untraceable-metal-guns


These are real guns, that can be made full auto that shoot real bullets.

Every single part accept the receiver can legally be bought.

The receiver blanks, that are 80% finished and therefore don`t require a serial number,are legal to buy. And so are the milling machines.

What can go wrong?

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
For spray and pray I am a fan of the M3A1 submachine gun

For accuracy the M14 (which has spray and pray ability if needed) or the old Springfield. Although the M1D is pretty good too.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

Last I checked the AR-15 does a pretty damn good job killing little children and adult school teachers....

When was the last time we feared the hostile takeover of the evil Deer Nation? Where deer rise up in a surprise attacks across the nation and take over? Yeah, maybe if your on LSD.....

The AR-15 like the M-16 was designed to wound and kill....HUMANS. Anything else is just bullshit being piled on by right wing fanatics.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

In many states it isn't legal for deer hunting. The AR appears dangerous and since looks are all most gun-o-phobes they focus on it. Many also believe that they are full auto.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

Last I checked the AR-15 does a pretty damn good job killing little children and adult school teachers....

When was the last time we feared the hostile takeover of the evil Deer Nation? Where deer rise up in a surprise attacks across the nation and take over? Yeah, maybe if your on LSD.....

The AR-15 like the M-16 was designed to wound and kill....HUMANS. Anything else is just bullshit being piled on by right wing fanatics.

Shotguns are far more deadly than ARs. You must have forgotten that in Aurora the AR jammed almost instantly because he used those high capacity magazines you fear so much. Almost all the damage was done with a pump shotgun. Gun-o-phobes speak as authorities based on their ignorance of guns not their knowledge.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Ja, and it is situational, as well as the expense of the parts you buy, there is some cheap junk hicaps out there for all guns.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

Last I checked the AR-15 does a pretty damn good job killing little children and adult school teachers....

When was the last time we feared the hostile takeover of the evil Deer Nation? Where deer rise up in a surprise attacks across the nation and take over? Yeah, maybe if your on LSD.....

The AR-15 like the M-16 was designed to wound and kill....HUMANS. Anything else is just bullshit being piled on by right wing fanatics.

Shotguns are far more deadly than ARs. You must have forgotten that in Aurora the AR jammed almost instantly because he used those high capacity magazines you fear so much. Almost all the damage was done with a pump shotgun. Gun-o-phobes speak as authorities based on their ignorance of guns not their knowledge.

The reference I was making was to Sandy Hook.

Shotguns like any other weapon can be deadly depending upon the circumstance and situation.

I dont fear the 'high ammo cap' magazines. I do understand that while the lower magazine count is more annoying to most of us. It does make having to carry more magazines for the same amount of ammo to add additional weight. All those grams and pounds do add up when trying to carry alot of 'ready ammo' into a combat situation.

Course, when they made the laws limiting magazine count, 3D printing wasn't even heard about, let alone a known concept. Making a large magazine count with 3D printing is limited only to having the materials and software 'print' of the image. In light of this, do we remove the restriction? Or keep it and see if it does reduce potential problems down the road. Either way, we as a society will have to live with the consequences. The good and the bad!

Which brings us back to the nature of the thread, right?

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
The AR-15 is a big bugaboo for the gun-o-phobes. Especially since the 5.56 is more of a varmint round than a hunting round. It isn't recommended for deer hunting as it tends to wound instead of kill but fine for smaller pests like coyotes, wild dogs, and armadillos.

In many states it isn't legal for deer hunting. The AR appears dangerous and since looks are all most gun-o-phobes they focus on it. Many also believe that they are full auto.

I recall a sheriff from California using a 22 caliber rifle to demonstrate that looks CAN be deceiving. He took a regular rifle with wood stock and finishing. After removing the wood, he placed metal 'high tech' molding on it. Finished by adding a bipod and 'big ass' scope to it. Yeah, it 'looked' menacing, until you realize its just a 22.....

That a rifle's abilities and looks can be two different things, does get overlooked by the gun controller groups in the nation. And they feed that bullshit towards concern citizens whom are uninformed. Thus making the problems worst!

I've seen AR-15 that shoot both semi-auto and full automatic. Try convincing me this is all bullshit, the man doesnt exist in reality, and the rifle is not an AR-15....