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Presidential Overreach - 6/16/2015 7:20:03 AM   
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/when-democrats-challenged-executive-overreach/article/2566299

Obama isn't the first President to use what is perceived as Presidential Overreach.

There are also examples on the Republican side.

What Presidents, at least in my opinion, fail to understand is that being President isn't being King.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 6:58:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/when-democrats-challenged-executive-overreach/article/2566299

Obama isn't the first President to use what is perceived as Presidential Overreach.

There are also examples on the Republican side.

What Presidents, at least in my opinion, fail to understand is that being President isn't being King.


The conservatives of FDR's time and the modern day versions are very different in viewpoint and though process. Likewise the Republican Party of FDR's time and right now are....ALSO....very different. That the author did not make that very clear either means they knew an are being intellectually dishonest, or didn't and are just an uninformed idiot.

What is defined as 'overreach' by one branch could be 'under reach' by the accused branch. Each of the branches have tried to limit the other two in different ways over the years. At different times, have even tried to hide behind the US Constitution much like a bigot Christian using the Holy Bible when attacking gay people about marriage laws.

The current President is very much aware he is not a king or overlord. Unlike 'President' Dick Cheney, President Obama is a Constitutional Scholar. He is well aware of the limits of his office. And from time to time, tests the waters, just like past presidents before him. I find it rather amusing when conservatives bash the President over something, and then totally ignore the previous office holder who did much worst; why didn't they hold that guy just as accountability and responsibility with power?

Because that would be like having integrity.....




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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 7:09:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/when-democrats-challenged-executive-overreach/article/2566299

Obama isn't the first President to use what is perceived as Presidential Overreach.

There are also examples on the Republican side.

What Presidents, at least in my opinion, fail to understand is that being President isn't being King.


The conservatives of FDR's time and the modern day versions are very different in viewpoint and though process. Likewise the Republican Party of FDR's time and right now are....ALSO....very different. That the author did not make that very clear either means they knew an are being intellectually dishonest, or didn't and are just an uninformed idiot.

What is defined as 'overreach' by one branch could be 'under reach' by the accused branch. Each of the branches have tried to limit the other two in different ways over the years. At different times, have even tried to hide behind the US Constitution much like a bigot Christian using the Holy Bible when attacking gay people about marriage laws.

The current President is very much aware he is not a king or overlord. Unlike 'President' Dick Cheney, President Obama is a Constitutional Scholar. He is well aware of the limits of his office. And from time to time, tests the waters, just like past presidents before him. I find it rather amusing when conservatives bash the President over something, and then totally ignore the previous office holder who did much worst; why didn't they hold that guy just as accountability and responsibility with power?

Because that would be like having integrity.....





But after he proclaims something to beyond his the authority of a president and that doing something (immigration) would make him a king, he turns around and does it.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 7:11:47 AM   
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The current President is very much aware he is not a king or overlord.

Are you two best friends or something? Wait a minute...are you Hillary? That would explain so much.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 7:50:36 AM   
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But after he proclaims something to beyond his the authority of a president and that doing something (immigration) would make him a king, he turns around and does it.


I can see Russia from my house. ~Sarah Palin
Facts are stupid things. ~Ronald Reagan
We have to pass it to see what's in it. (TPA fast track) ~ALL CONSERVATIVES.

Seems like anyone can sort of make out like someone said something they actually didn't quite.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 10:32:10 AM   
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Oh I can't wait for Rubio on SNL. He can see Cuba from his house!

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 11:39:07 AM   
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Oh I can't wait for Rubio on SNL. He can see Cuba from his house!

You do know that Palin never made the comment about Russia, Tina Fey made it on SNL and everyone on the left has pretended Palin did, in fact most of Palins stupid comments were actually made by Tina Fey.
So does this mean that you are looking forward to the same distortions with Rubio.
Of course this has nothing to do with presidential overreach.
The difference between overreach in the past and in the present is that in the past the media would call the President on it, now they make excuses.
If Rubio wins. of course they will call him on overreach when he puts his hand out to put it on the Bible (swearing in).


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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 12:03:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Oh I can't wait for Rubio on SNL. He can see Cuba from his house!

You do know that Palin never made the comment about Russia, Tina Fey made it on SNL and everyone on the left has pretended Palin did, in fact most of Palins stupid comments were actually made by Tina Fey.
So does this mean that you are looking forward to the same distortions with Rubio.
Of course this has nothing to do with presidential overreach.
The difference between overreach in the past and in the present is that in the past the media would call the President on it, now they make excuses.
If Rubio wins. of course they will call him on overreach when he puts his hand out to put it on the Bible (swearing in).




And Obama never made the comment in the way or the vein or the context you put it in.

However, since you cant see me, you are at a disadvantage and look stupider, and stupider.

I have actually posted his exact comment and it did not say what you said it did.
If he would have actually went against that, his executive order would have been 'making law' and wouldn't have happened. And thats why he didnt cover all illegals in the executive order, just those within policy making ability of his government. Scotus ruled on that in AZ v US, and that bit of information has caused him some grief with those not covered, and he explained why they couldnt be covered and the whole thing has made all the media, which you dont watch, you are a propaganda blogs and Faux Nuze guy.


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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 8:38:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

Oh I can't wait for Rubio on SNL. He can see Cuba from his house!

You do know that Palin never made the comment about Russia, Tina Fey made it on SNL and everyone on the left has pretended Palin did, in fact most of Palins stupid comments were actually made by Tina Fey.
So does this mean that you are looking forward to the same distortions with Rubio.
Of course this has nothing to do with presidential overreach.
The difference between overreach in the past and in the present is that in the past the media would call the President on it, now they make excuses.
If Rubio wins. of course they will call him on overreach when he puts his hand out to put it on the Bible (swearing in).




And Obama never made the comment in the way or the vein or the context you put it in.

However, since you cant see me, you are at a disadvantage and look stupider, and stupider.

I have actually posted his exact comment and it did not say what you said it did.
If he would have actually went against that, his executive order would have been 'making law' and wouldn't have happened. And thats why he didnt cover all illegals in the executive order, just those within policy making ability of his government. Scotus ruled on that in AZ v US, and that bit of information has caused him some grief with those not covered, and he explained why they couldnt be covered and the whole thing has made all the media, which you dont watch, you are a propaganda blogs and Faux Nuze guy.



I agree that the President worked very carefully within the law, and his restrictions within it.

But "I can see Russia from my house!" is the smartest thing Palin has ever said. Even if it was Tina Fey's Palin.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 9:17:03 PM   
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AZ vs US discussed the federal governments perogative on immigration law and AZ law. It, to my recollection didn't mention the president.

However, there is this with regard to what Obama said about immigration.

quote:

King: “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, I am not king,” Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. “I can’t do these things just by myself.” He reiterated that sentiment in a February 2013 interview with Telemundo. “I’m not a king,” he said.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341997/obama-i-am-not-dictator-andrew-stiles


It looks to me as if Bama is correct and MNwhatever is breathing shit. Of, course, if Jester has a specific cite from AZ vs US to refresh my memory that it discussed the president in the context he's saying he'll only be half full of shit.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 9:23:19 PM   
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And apparently, a federal appeals court does not believe Obama was carefully acting within the law.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/appeals-court-rules-against-obama-on-immigration/2015/05/26/7546832a-03d9-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html


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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 10:54:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

Oh I can't wait for Rubio on SNL. He can see Cuba from his house!

You do know that Palin never made the comment about Russia, Tina Fey made it on SNL and everyone on the left has pretended Palin did, in fact most of Palins stupid comments were actually made by Tina Fey.
So does this mean that you are looking forward to the same distortions with Rubio.
Of course this has nothing to do with presidential overreach.
The difference between overreach in the past and in the present is that in the past the media would call the President on it, now they make excuses.
If Rubio wins. of course they will call him on overreach when he puts his hand out to put it on the Bible (swearing in).




And Obama never made the comment in the way or the vein or the context you put it in.

However, since you cant see me, you are at a disadvantage and look stupider, and stupider.

I have actually posted his exact comment and it did not say what you said it did.
If he would have actually went against that, his executive order would have been 'making law' and wouldn't have happened. And thats why he didnt cover all illegals in the executive order, just those within policy making ability of his government. Scotus ruled on that in AZ v US, and that bit of information has caused him some grief with those not covered, and he explained why they couldnt be covered and the whole thing has made all the media, which you dont watch, you are a propaganda blogs and Faux Nuze guy.


If Tina Fey said it Palin didn't, you will find that almost all of the dumb stuff you credit to Palin was actually said by Fey. You clearly would rather believe the fiction about her to the reality.
I agree that the President worked very carefully within the law, and his restrictions within it.

But "I can see Russia from my house!" is the smartest thing Palin has ever said. Even if it was Tina Fey's Palin.



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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/17/2015 10:57:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HunterCA

AZ vs US discussed the federal governments perogative on immigration law and AZ law. It, to my recollection didn't mention the president.

However, there is this with regard to what Obama said about immigration.

quote:

King: “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, I am not king,” Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. “I can’t do these things just by myself.” He reiterated that sentiment in a February 2013 interview with Telemundo. “I’m not a king,” he said.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341997/obama-i-am-not-dictator-andrew-stiles


It looks to me as if Bama is correct and MNwhatever is breathing shit. Of, course, if Jester has a specific cite from AZ vs US to refresh my memory that it discussed the president in the context he's saying he'll only be half full of shit.

A He made statements like that several times.
B While I am not always right (there was my first wife for example) MN is always breathing shit.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/18/2015 6:41:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HunterCA

AZ vs US discussed the federal governments perogative on immigration law and AZ law. It, to my recollection didn't mention the president.

However, there is this with regard to what Obama said about immigration.

quote:

King: “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, I am not king,” Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. “I can’t do these things just by myself.” He reiterated that sentiment in a February 2013 interview with Telemundo. “I’m not a king,” he said.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341997/obama-i-am-not-dictator-andrew-stiles


It looks to me as if Bama is correct and MNwhatever is breathing shit. Of, course, if Jester has a specific cite from AZ vs US to refresh my memory that it discussed the president in the context he's saying he'll only be half full of shit.


Oh, look CockgarglerCA is unable to speak with his mouth full, and brain empty. Comprehensive immigration reform is not an executive order on enforcement policy. Looks like you are felching massive geysers of asswipe.

AZ v US
Held:
1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to“establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and on its inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182; requires aliens to register with the Federal Government and to carry proof of status, §§1304(e), 1306(a); imposes sanctions on employers who hire unauthorized workers, §1324a; and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227. Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens. It also operates the Law Enforcement Support Center,which provides immigration status information to federal, state, and local officials around the clock.

...

(b)
Section 5(C)’s criminal penalty stands as an obstacle to the federal regulatory system. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), a comprehensive framework for “combating the employment of illegal aliens,” Hoffman Plastic Compounds, Inc. v. NLRB, 535 U. S. 137, 147, makes it illegal for employers to knowingly hire, recruit, refer, or continue to employ unauthorized workers, 8 U.S. C. §§1324a(a)(1)(A), (a)(2), and requires employers to verify prospective employees’ employment authorization status,Cite as: 567 U. S. ____ (2012) 3 Syllabus §§1324a(a)(1)(B), (b). It imposes criminal and civil penalties on employers, §§1324a(e)(4), (f), but only civil penalties on aliens who seek, or engage in, unauthorized employment, e.g., §§1255(c)(2), (c)(8).




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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/18/2015 6:55:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny


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ORIGINAL: joether
The current President is very much aware he is not a king or overlord.

Are you two best friends or something? Wait a minute...are you Hillary? That would explain so much.


I know...

he's the very definition of an ugly hyper-partisan. republicans/tea partiers are evil, ignorant, lack integrity, etc. while democrats are good, wise, noble, educated, aware, etc...

I postulated once that he's on some rich leftist's payroll, hired to run around and just bad mouth republicans with stupid posts devoid of actual content and filled with bitter opinion.

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RE: Presidential Overreach - 6/18/2015 10:30:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: HunterCA

AZ vs US discussed the federal governments perogative on immigration law and AZ law. It, to my recollection didn't mention the president.

However, there is this with regard to what Obama said about immigration.

quote:

King: “My cabinet has been working very hard on trying to get it done, but ultimately, I think somebody said the other day, I am president, I am not king,” Obama told Univision in October 2010, when asked why he had yet to achieve comprehensive immigration reform. “I can’t do these things just by myself.” He reiterated that sentiment in a February 2013 interview with Telemundo. “I’m not a king,” he said.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/341997/obama-i-am-not-dictator-andrew-stiles


It looks to me as if Bama is correct and MNwhatever is breathing shit. Of, course, if Jester has a specific cite from AZ vs US to refresh my memory that it discussed the president in the context he's saying he'll only be half full of shit.

A He made statements like that several times.
B While I am not always right (there was my first wife for example) MN is always breathing shit.


I have jester blocked as well so I only see him when someone else quotes him. What he does is throw out a statement that is derisive and then throws in something like AZ vs US expecting nobody read it and will call his bluff. He's only hate and bluff.

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