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joether -> Money as a form of Tyranny (6/9/2015 12:30:47 PM)

'We the People' threw our collective hands up, and allow the 1% to control everything at the federal level. We allowed big business that could afford armies of lawyers and PR to tell the American people 'Do this, because we have to fight Communism" (i.e. give them incredible levels of profits). They lowered taxes on themselves, and raises the poor and middle class's. They enjoy legal freedoms that many do not. A poor black kid goes to jail for the same offense as some rich white kid whom got a slap on the wrists.

Big corporations now are considered 'legal citizens', whom can have a religious belief that trumps the actual individual citizens (i.e. living and breathing humans).....thanks to the Supreme Court! If Corporations do not make a gross profit (usually speaking), they pay no taxes. If us individuals made no gross profit, we STILL, have to pay taxes. A corporation, with its massive resources can influence public officials in ways, us citizens (with limited resources usually), can not. If I wanted a sit down meeting with a Republican Congressmen, it'll be for like two minutes (more likely 14 nanoseconds). If I was a multi-millionaire, if not billionaire, I'd have their undivided attention for an hour or two.

They created the Tea Party to bring down Americans. Give the notion that organizations like 'Occupy Wallstreet' are like the Tea Party: poorly educated, easy to manipulate, fearful of their own shadows, angry at everything and everyone, demands change, threatens violence if they dont get their way, etc. Or do folks think the Koch brothers created that organization out of 'the goodness of their heart'? Those two have agendas that are not healthy for this nation!

They have programmed into the minds of Americans that 'money' is a form of freedom of speech. That allows them to do just about anything they want, without any responsibility or accountability. Until we as Americans acknowledge that money can be used as a form of tyranny; we'll never really be free. Look at every member of Congress (Senate and House). All of them are far more wealthy than the average American. All the US Supreme Court Judges are more wealthy. The lobbyists are more wealthy. Should I keep going?

The big corporations have done an awesome job of portraying the Union system as evil. Portraying union officials as all lazy, ineffective, bureaucrats whom seek to undermine 'healthy profits' at every turn. Because its the concept of the Union that has lifted up the American workforce. To have weekends, minimal wages, health benefits, legal representation in the courts, etc. The big corporations of today are just the feudal lords of Europe the Founding Fathers warned 'The People' not to allow into power. The Union, is formed by US Citizens whom pull their resources together, to have a fighting chance at equality. To have as much of a fair share at things as their labor brings in with profits.

The ACA was a huge benefit for the common people, but a total headache for big businesses. The desire to raise minimal wage rates to $15/hour has been heavily resisted by big businesses. Why should they have to pay for the poor when government does it already (while taxing the poor and middle class more)? Why would the 1% wish to be treated like us 'lower life forms'? That if they killed someone, are dragged, in irons, to the police station to await trial without bond (just like the poor black kid without an education or future). We've seen any number of cases in which the 'evil corporation' gets away with murder, while the individual citizen would be hosed for the same crime under the law!

So is money a form of tyranny?



MrRodgers -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/16/2015 10:01:35 PM)

Hey, as long as according to the 'supremes' property (money) is speech, just as for 250 years on this continent, people were property...[it] literally talks now, politically or otherwise.

So, either we amend the constitution or 1/2 to 2/3 of the people in the US, had just better be prepared to get even poorer and/or further in debt...or both. That's the tyranny I see. OR.....

Maybe it will fund the neo-nazism but that will still take some time. [It] could result in as one friend suggested...not just one computer co. one drug co., one plane co. one cable co, one Internet co., one movie co., one car co., one home builder, one agric, co., and so on.....


BUT...ONE co,...period. Oh...and ONE govt.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/16/2015 11:22:32 PM)

Hear,hear joether !!! It's not just happening in America but many other countries too, but I think you may be a voice in the wilderness friend. Those who believe what you say, will always believe it and those who don't will cling to their beliefs come hell or high water. I would recommend a book to you and to others interested in the way the bosses think and work. It was written maybe 80 or 100 years ago I think and it's about the beginnings of the Labour and Union movements in England but it still pertains today. It's called 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists'. It just goes to show that everything changes but really, nothing changes.



thishereboi -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 1:51:45 AM)

You might be on to something. Just how much is Hilary worth these days? Has she made it to the 1% yet?



DesideriScuri -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 6:04:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
You might be on to something. Just how much is Hilary worth these days? Has she made it to the 1% yet?


Hillary's wealth doesn't matter.



joether -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 6:27:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
You might be on to something. Just how much is Hilary worth these days? Has she made it to the 1% yet?


Hillary's wealth doesn't matter.


Every person running for President right now is from the 1%. Every person in Congress is from the 1% right now. Every Supreme Court justice is within or is in the 1%. 1% of this nation decides stuff for the other 99%.

An yet, even when someone would be defined as something, its their motivations, morals, education, and 'outlook on life as an American' that define more 'who they are!'. Bill Gates whom made a vast fortune in the software business now donates large sums of money to many good projects here in America and around the world. Where as the Koch brothers only give money if it serves their political and/or business interests. Mr. Gates might give money to a cause because its "the right thing to do"; the Koch brothers would ask "What's in int for me?".

The rich (much like the modern day conservatives) have been trying to find the moral justification of grounds to be a total selfish asshole. Fortunately for us, they have not found one thing. But that doesn't stop them from trying to invent new ways and justifications to find that excuse to be a human being.

There are those in the 1% (just like the 99%) whom try to make the world a better place. They understand that money can corrupt when miss handled. An those that don't give a shit about anything or anyone beyond themselves. To them, money is the 'end all, be all' for existing on this planet.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 8:46:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
You might be on to something. Just how much is Hilary worth these days? Has she made it to the 1% yet?


Hillary's wealth doesn't matter.


Every person running for President right now is from the 1%. Every person in Congress is from the 1% right now. Every Supreme Court justice is within or is in the 1%. 1% of this nation decides stuff for the other 99%.

An yet, even when someone would be defined as something, its their motivations, morals, education, and 'outlook on life as an American' that define more 'who they are!'. Bill Gates whom made a vast fortune in the software business now donates large sums of money to many good projects here in America and around the world. Where as the Koch brothers only give money if it serves their political and/or business interests. Mr. Gates might give money to a cause because its "the right thing to do"; the Koch brothers would ask "What's in int for me?".

The rich (much like the modern day conservatives) have been trying to find the moral justification of grounds to be a total selfish asshole. Fortunately for us, they have not found one thing. But that doesn't stop them from trying to invent new ways and justifications to find that excuse to be a human being.

There are those in the 1% (just like the 99%) whom try to make the world a better place. They understand that money can corrupt when miss handled. An those that don't give a shit about anything or anyone beyond themselves. To them, money is the 'end all, be all' for existing on this planet.
You are such a kool-aid-drunk liar:

Koch Industries (which offers same-sex spousal benefits to its legally married employees) also donated $814,000 to the Kansas State University Office of Diversity to assist “historically under-represented students.”

The Kochs fund cures and treatments.

1. $25 million to Houston’s M.D. Anderson Cancer Center to eliminate genitourinary malignancies.

2. $100 million for cancer research at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

3. $100 million for a new ambulatory care center at New York Presbyterian Hospital. This donation actually triggered an outbreak of mental illness among leftists who decried Koch’s nine-digit check.(Idiots)

“Quality care, not Koch care!” unionized nurses screamed outside Koch’s Park Avenue apartment. Never mind that his contributions create work for unionized nurses. (They must be drinking the same look-aid as you, Joether. Ignorant twits)

David Koch supports PBS’ documentary series "Nova." He also is a paleo-philanthropist, having given $15 million to the Smithsonian Museum of Natural History for a Hall of Human Origins and another $35 million to update its fossil and dinosaur displays in Washington, D.C. New York’s American Museum of Natural History will enjoy a new Dinosaur Wing, thanks to David’s $20 million gift.

David also donated $100 million in 2008 to modernize the former New York State Theater at Manhattan’s Lincoln Center, home to the New York City Ballet and the New York City Opera.

For more:
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/560986



eulero83 -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 9:07:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

It's not just happening in America but many other countries too


yes... it's the main porpouse the euro currency was created for...



HunterCA -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 9:11:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
You might be on to something. Just how much is Hilary worth these days? Has she made it to the 1% yet?


Hillary's wealth doesn't matter.


Every person running for President right now is from the 1%. Every person in Congress is from the 1% right now. Every Supreme Court justice is within or is in the 1%. 1% of this nation decides stuff for the other 99%.

An yet, even when someone would be defined as something, its their motivations, morals, education, and 'outlook on life as an American' that define more 'who they are!'. Bill Gates whom made a vast fortune in the software business now donates large sums of money to many good projects here in America and around the world. Where as the Koch brothers only give money if it serves their political and/or business interests. Mr. Gates might give money to a cause because its "the right thing to do"; the Koch brothers would ask "What's in int for me?".

The rich (much like the modern day conservatives) have been trying to find the moral justification of grounds to be a total selfish asshole. Fortunately for us, they have not found one thing. But that doesn't stop them from trying to invent new ways and justifications to find that excuse to be a human being.

There are those in the 1% (just like the 99%) whom try to make the world a better place. They understand that money can corrupt when miss handled. An those that don't give a shit about anything or anyone beyond themselves. To them, money is the 'end all, be all' for existing on this planet.

LMAOROF, you'll have to get with Cloudboy and get your facts consistent. He says Marco Rubio only has $53,000 saved.



Lucylastic -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 10:27:38 AM)

Fast reply,
well Trump is worth 8 billion...and running...
oh god this is going to be sooo good.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 10:48:39 AM)

I just did a very cursory search and decided that Forbes Magazine knows about wealth so, I went with them as a source.

I searched: "Richest People in America" and this is what I came up with:

quote:

Rank Name Real Time Forbes Age Residence Source
#1 Bill Gates $79.3 B $81 B 59 Medina, WA Microsoft
#2 Warren Buffett $68.5 B $67 B 84 Omaha, NE Berkshire Hathaway
#3 Larry Ellison $54.7 B $50 B 70 Woodside, CA Oracle
#4 Charles Koch $41.8 B $42 B 79 Wichita, KS diversified
#4 David Koch $41.8 B $42 B 75 New York, NY diversified
#6 Jeff Bezos $38.5 B $30.5 B 51 Seattle, WA Amazon.com
#7 Michael Bloomberg $36.9 B $35 B 73 New York, NY Bloomberg LP
#8 Christy Walton $36.5 B $38 B 60 Jackson, WY Wal-Mart
#9 Mark Zuckerberg $35.9 B $34 B 31 Palo Alto, CA Facebook
#10 Jim Walton $35.2 B $36 B 67 Bentonville, AR Wal-Mart


Out of the top ten, there are at least six dyed-in-the-wool heavy democratic supporters. No Politicians. Nary a one.

quote:

#11 Alice Walton $34.1 B $34.9 B 65 Fort Worth, TX Wal-Mart
#12 S. Robson Walton $33.7 B $34.8 B 71 Bentonville, AR Wal-Mart
#13 Larry Page $29.1 B $31.5 B 42 Palo Alto, CA Google
#14 Sergey Brin $28.6 B $31 B 41 Los Altos, CA Google
#15 Sheldon Adelson $28.1 B $32 B 81 Las Vegas, NV casinos
#16 Forrest Mars Jr $25.2 B $22 B 83 Big Horn, WY candy
#16 Jacqueline Mars $25.2 B $22 B 75 The Plains, VA candy
#16 John Mars $25.2 B $22 B 79 Jackson, WY candy
#19 George Soros $24.2 B $24 B 84 Katonah, NY hedge funds
#20 Phil Knight $23.6 B $19.9 B 77 Hillsboro, OR Nike
#21 Steve Ballmer $22.1 B $22.5 B 59 Hunts Point, WA Microsoft
#22 Carl Icahn $21.9 B $26 B 79 New York, NY investments
#23 Len Blavatnik $21.2 B $21.5 B 58 London diversified
#24 Laurene Powell Jobs $20.4 B $16.6 B 51 Palo Alto, CA Apple, Disney
#25 Charles Ergen $18.6 B $17.2 B 62 Denver, CO Dish Network
#26 Michael Dell $18.5 B $17.7 B 50 Austin, TX Dell
#27 Paul Allen $17.4 B $17 B 62 Mercer Island, WA Microsoft, investments
#28 Anne Cox Chambers $17.3 B $16.1 B 95 Atlanta, GA media
#29 Ray Dalio $15.4 B $15.2 B 65 Greenwich, CT hedge funds
#30 Donald Bren $15.2 B $15.1 B 83 Newport Beach, CA real estate
#31 Ronald Perelman $14.7 B $14.5 B 72 New York, NY leveraged buyouts
#32 James Simons $14 B $12.5 B 77 East Setauket, NY hedge funds
#33 Elon Musk $13.5 B $10.3 B 43 Los Angeles, CA Tesla Motors



Just a small percentage (1/1,000,000) and I'm sure that they're might some politicians (especially since Trump has now become one) at some point in the 1%-ers. I'd even bet Trump would be the first. The point is: politicians don't need to be 1%-ers, they have plenty of support from those that are.



Michael



JVoV -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 11:04:28 AM)

#7 Michael Bloomberg $36.9 B $35 B 73 New York, NY Bloomberg LP

That's former NYC Mayor Bloomberg? Pretty sure that counts as politics.



eulero83 -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 11:18:49 AM)

it's 1/10,000,000 actually



kdsub -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 11:29:28 AM)

You said it all in the first sentence...We the People

What you have to understand is the people have spoken and what they have is what they want until they decide otherwise. You don't agree with them...change minds. I don't want to call your post whining because everyone is entitled to an opinion in this country but you must understand YOUR way of think is embraced by the minority...at least for now.

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 12:15:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Every person running for President right now is from the 1%. Every person in Congress is from the 1% right now. Every Supreme Court justice is within or is in the 1%. 1% of this nation decides stuff for the other 99%.

An yet, even when someone would be defined as something, its their motivations, morals, education, and 'outlook on life as an American' that define more 'who they are!'. Bill Gates whom made a vast fortune in the software business now donates large sums of money to many good projects here in America and around the world. Where as the Koch brothers only give money if it serves their political and/or business interests. Mr. Gates might give money to a cause because its "the right thing to do"; the Koch brothers would ask "What's in int for me?".

The rich (much like the modern day conservatives) have been trying to find the moral justification of grounds to be a total selfish asshole. Fortunately for us, they have not found one thing. But that doesn't stop them from trying to invent new ways and justifications to find that excuse to be a human being.

There are those in the 1% (just like the 99%) whom try to make the world a better place. They understand that money can corrupt when miss handled. An those that don't give a shit about anything or anyone beyond themselves. To them, money is the 'end all, be all' for existing on this planet.


You are so full of shit, joe. All you ever do is make shit up. Heres a Reuters article (left of center) that discusses the wealth of several candidates. The article clearly plays down the Clintons' wealth, only states how much they made since last year ($25 million) while they are actually worth closer to $200 million. Then Reuters reports twice in the same article that the wealthiest Republican (Carly Fiona) is worth a reported $59 million...

Jeb Bush is reported to be worth "millions" while the rest of the Republicans mentioned (beside Trump) make only hundreds of thousands, in comparison

Scott Walker is reportedly worth only $10,000.00

The group you should really be going after are musicians and actors. Here is a group who are often in the 1% and who also use their mass audiences to influence elections...



Lucylastic -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 1:04:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Fast reply,
well Trump is worth 8 billion...and running...
oh god this is going to be sooo good.


I wonder how the Koch Brothers feel now that they have only promised a billion...
crickets... omgawd, i feel like ive been inhaling nitrous oxide.
I wonder if hes not nominated as republican pres candidate will he run as an independent?



Sanity -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 1:27:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Fast reply,
well Trump is worth 8 billion...and running...
oh god this is going to be sooo good.


I wonder how the Koch Brothers feel now that they have only promised a billion...
crickets... omgawd, i feel like ive been inhaling nitrous oxide.
I wonder if hes not nominated as republican pres candidate will he run as an independent?



Crickets because you are just babbling more socialist "class warfare / class envy" talking points stupidity.

Koch Bros? George Soros...

The Clintons are worth probably $200 million, while Hillary preaches about "toppling the 1%"

Donald Trump? Whats your point. "No slurpees for you" Bloomberg did buy the mayorship of New York

On and on

Seriously...



Lucylastic -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 1:37:38 PM)

shel adelson
sorry but...again you miss the point of my post
trump
and the hijack about me was...par for the course



DaddySatyr -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 1:46:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

#7 Michael Bloomberg $36.9 B $35 B 73 New York, NY Bloomberg LP

That's former NYC Mayor Bloomberg? Pretty sure that counts as politics.



Well, then, you'd have to also acknowledge that he was a life-long democrat who registered republican JUST to run for NYC mayor.

That aside, I didn't count him because he's done in politics so ... more of a former politician.

Also, he didn't make his money in politics which seemed to be the implication. He made it the way most of the 1%-ers did; he inherited (most of) it.



Michael



CreativeDominant -> RE: Money as a form of Tyranny (6/17/2015 2:20:06 PM)

Come on, Joether...you've been called on your crap. Or is this another time you run or a time when you ignoe and run another wall of text?



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