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HunterCA -> It sucks to be a communist (5/13/2015 8:00:20 PM)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513

MrRodgers -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/13/2015 9:37:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513 Well it sucks to be a N. Korean communist. Many Chinese communists are getting rich with their new state capitalism. They are able to travel and spend (enjoy) much of their recently 'found' wealth too.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/13/2015 9:40:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513 Well it sucks to be a N. Korean communist. Many Chinese communists are getting rich with their new state capitalism. They are able to travel and spend (enjoy) much of their recently 'found' wealth too. Agree, but it's crony capitalism. Which will fail as it will in this country eventually. What with Hillary selling off most of the US to cronies.

subrob1967 -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 4:18:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513 Well it sucks to be a N. Korean communist. Many Chinese communists are getting rich with their new state capitalism. They are able to travel and spend (enjoy) much of their recently 'found' wealth too. And many more are receiving a bullet in the back of the head.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 11:05:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513 Well it sucks to be a N. Korean communist. Many Chinese communists are getting rich with their new state capitalism. They are able to travel and spend (enjoy) much of their recently 'found' wealth too. And many more are receiving a bullet in the back of the head. Of course, the same thing happened in Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, Cambodia....

mnottertail -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 11:40:34 AM)
The US..........and so on.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 12:44:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail The US..........and so on. Oh ya, so many killing fields in the US

mnottertail -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 12:45:34 PM)
Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 12:50:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. So, in your mind, Gettysburg during a civil war was equivalent of the Kermer Rouge killing people who could read or who wore glasses to correct their vision?

Sanity -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 12:51:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. Trying to equate the loss of life in the wars we have had (which every nation has), with communists' purposely mass slaughtering millions and millions and millions of innocent civilians is a very impressive new level of disingenuousness for you

mnottertail -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 1:30:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. So, in your mind, Gettysburg during a civil war was equivalent of the Kermer Rouge killing people who could read or who wore glasses to correct their vision? I am thinking that correcting the colour your skin is not something that requires an opthamologist.

joether -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 1:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. So, in your mind, Gettysburg during a civil war was equivalent of the Kermer Rouge killing people who could read or who wore glasses to correct their vision? What did the South want? There's the "South's" view and the "North's" view. The Kermer Rouge had a view on things as did the people. The view was very different. In both ideas there is a conflict that generated into unrest and then into an-out-right-conflict. Mnottertail is stating things that happen...IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! You want to go outside the USA? How about those Nazi and the Jews. Do you think they had a different set of views in the 1930-40's of Germany? How about those for the monarchy verse communists of Russia? The Taliban and the regular folks of Afghanistan? All those were conflicts. All of them killing fields.

mnottertail -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 1:33:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. Trying to equate the loss of life in the wars we have had (which every nation has), with communists' purposely mass slaughtering millions and millions and millions of innocent civilians is a very impressive new level of disingenuousness for you We did not slaughter native americans? we did not slaughter 'negros'? we did not slaughter cubans? we did not slaughter Iraqis? We did not slaughter Vietnamese? You haven't reached a new level of stupidity, you are one in your own right.

joether -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 1:43:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. Trying to equate the loss of life in the wars we have had (which every nation has), with communists' purposely mass slaughtering millions and millions and millions of innocent civilians is a very impressive new level of disingenuousness for you Explain to me the true state of Andersonville, GA during the American Civil War. The conditions there were more barbaric then the Nazi concentration camps in Germany. The South had a view, and willing to treat their fellow Americans extremely harshly (if not kill them). Andersonville was not the ONLY concentration camp for POW Union soldiers and civilians. It was just the worst of the worst. A better concentration camp during that era for the South was STILL nothing to write home about; it was ugly, disease ridden, foul, and nasty. Poor sanitation, medicine, and living conditions. The population of the South were just as unaware of the evils its government was performing, as most in Germany of the SS and Hitler. What do you think happened to those Americans in the Confederacy that agreed with the North? Do you think they were 'left alone' and 'allowed to speak their mind freely'? Yeah, a VERY harsh time for all Americans in that era. The notion of 'brother fighting brother' was all to real for many families living along the Maryland/Virginia border.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 2:36:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. Trying to equate the loss of life in the wars we have had (which every nation has), with communists' purposely mass slaughtering millions and millions and millions of innocent civilians is a very impressive new level of disingenuousness for you Explain to me the true state of Andersonville, GA during the American Civil War. The conditions there were more barbaric then the Nazi concentration camps in Germany. The South had a view, and willing to treat their fellow Americans extremely harshly (if not kill them). Andersonville was not the ONLY concentration camp for POW Union soldiers and civilians. It was just the worst of the worst. A better concentration camp during that era for the South was STILL nothing to write home about; it was ugly, disease ridden, foul, and nasty. Poor sanitation, medicine, and living conditions. The population of the South were just as unaware of the evils its government was performing, as most in Germany of the SS and Hitler. What do you think happened to those Americans in the Confederacy that agreed with the North? Do you think they were 'left alone' and 'allowed to speak their mind freely'? Yeah, a VERY harsh time for all Americans in that era. The notion of 'brother fighting brother' was all to real for many families living along the Maryland/Virginia border. Oh Joe, just ignorance. Here's a quote: “In the Federal prison camps, incarcerated Rebels joined the Union military, became civilians who agreed to stay north of the Ohio River, or sometimes preferred even the worst Northern prison camp to returning to the degradation of the Southern armies.” Excerpt From: Robert Scott Davis. “Andersonville Civil War Prison.” It wasn't just Andersonville prison. It was the whole of the dieing south that was suffering. You want to make a moral issue out of a terrible thing without understanding the history.

HunterCA -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 2:40:33 PM)
“In last months of 1863, the thousands of Federal prisoners being held indefinitely in Richmond, Virginia, became a threat to the Confederacy’s very survival. The captives consumed precious rations at a“time when the civilian residents of the Confederate capital were reduced to eating household pets to keep from starving. Hunger among the inmates of Richmond’s Belle Island prison also drove the men there to capture and eat any dog. A mass escape from Belle Island and Libby Prisons could overwhelm the garrison of the Confederate capital and attack the civilian population. Richmond held half of the South’s manufacturing and its only real cannon factories at a time when advancing Federal forces occupied much of Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee and Virginia, as well as many of the South’s ports.” Excerpt From: Robert Scott Davis. “Andersonville Civil War Prison.”

mnottertail -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 2:57:56 PM)
Ja, a guy in a dictatorship was shot. Thats about it, nothing remarkable. It isn't like its a remake of Coriolanus.

Aylee -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 3:40:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Wounded Knee, Boston, Washington, Gettysburg and so on. Never mind that we export a great deal of it. Trying to equate the loss of life in the wars we have had (which every nation has), with communists' purposely mass slaughtering millions and millions and millions of innocent civilians is a very impressive new level of disingenuousness for you Explain to me the true state of Andersonville, GA during the American Civil War. The conditions there were more barbaric then the Nazi concentration camps in Germany. The South had a view, and willing to treat their fellow Americans extremely harshly (if not kill them). Andersonville was not the ONLY concentration camp for POW Union soldiers and civilians. It was just the worst of the worst. A better concentration camp during that era for the South was STILL nothing to write home about; it was ugly, disease ridden, foul, and nasty. Poor sanitation, medicine, and living conditions. The population of the South were just as unaware of the evils its government was performing, as most in Germany of the SS and Hitler. What do you think happened to those Americans in the Confederacy that agreed with the North? Do you think they were 'left alone' and 'allowed to speak their mind freely'? Yeah, a VERY harsh time for all Americans in that era. The notion of 'brother fighting brother' was all to real for many families living along the Maryland/Virginia border. Camp Douglas and Elmira Prison. You might want to look that up. And the CSA's Camp Ford was the very BEST prison camp to be in. Lowest death rate. Yes, the South had a lot of areas with diseases because of the area of the country and they also had a lot of shortages. The CSA enlisted were not much better off.

MrRodgers -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/14/2015 4:06:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/13/us-northkorea-purge-idUSKBN0NY01J20150513 Well it sucks to be a N. Korean communist. Many Chinese communists are getting rich with their new state capitalism. They are able to travel and spend (enjoy) much of their recently 'found' wealth too. Agree, but it's crony capitalism. Which will fail as it will in this country eventually. What with Hillary selling off most of the US to cronies. Comparatively speaking, Hillary is a piker. Crony capitalism is state capitalism that works in the favor of the cronies. China calls themselves communists (in effect through fascism) in terms of govt. but however, their economy is capitalist fascist. That's where the the US is going just under the cover of democracy which in fact, is already...a plutocracy.

joether -> RE: It sucks to be a communist (5/15/2015 1:48:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Oh Joe, just ignorance. For someone that is at, near, or more likely, above, fifty years of age; you do behave like a twelve year old child. quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Here's a quote: “In the Federal prison camps, incarcerated Rebels joined the Union military, became civilians who agreed to stay north of the Ohio River, or sometimes preferred even the worst Northern prison camp to returning to the degradation of the Southern armies.” Excerpt From: Robert Scott Davis. “Andersonville Civil War Prison.” Where exactly does the excerpt come from? When making a direct quote from a book, its customary to give the page number. Or are you just cherry picking stuff out of context here? Being in the Southern Armies was not as good as the Northern ones. They had shortages supplies on just about everything except Federal troops. But not just supplies but trained individuals in a variety of areas. Prisons during war provides a snapshot on how well a side is fairing in a conflict. Andersonville,GA, was just that; a fair indication of the South. quote: ORIGINAL: HunterCA Excerpt From: Robert Scott Davis It wasn't just Andersonville prison. It was the whole of the dieing south that was suffering. You want to make a moral issue out of a terrible thing without understanding the history. Who started that war in the first place? Wasn't the North.... Who wanted slaves to help keep their profit margins up against 'foreign markets'? Wasn't the North.... Who used propaganda, lies, and half truths to spread a vewpoint that the President was something besides what he was? Wasn't the North.... Understanding of history? I understand it better than you. I see the parallels with 'The South' to modern conservative/libertarian political bullshit. A population in which the upper tier is small and well educated; controlling the 'Low Information Voter' in numerous ways to push a concept and idea that the current President is something else besides what he is (a US President, duly elected by over fifty million Americans in two elections). Right now we watch as right wingers support a criminal (Clive Bundy) against the law of the land. And a year later, some miners in Southwest Oregon. One of these days, those folks will cross a line (much like the South), and be put down by the US Military (must like the Federal Armies). This is the 'simple' version of things; it gets much more complex and complicated. But I dont think your mature enough to handle that sort of discussion yet..... Do you even have an original thought of your own about anything in history?

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