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Lucylastic -> Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 8:59:36 AM)

Major world powers have begun talks about a United Nations Security Council resolution to lift U.N. sanctions on Iran if a nuclear agreement is struck with Tehran, a step that could make it harder for the U.S. Congress to undo a deal, Western officials said.

The talks between Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States — the five permanent members of the Security Council — plus Germany and Iran, are taking place ahead of difficult negotiations that resume next week over constricting Iran's nuclear ability.

Some eight U.N. resolutions - four of them imposing sanctions - ban Iran from uranium enrichment and other sensitive atomic work and bar it from buying and selling atomic technology and anything linked to ballistic missiles. There is also a U.N. arms embargo.

Iran sees their removal as crucial as U.N. measures are a legal basis for more stringent U.S. and European Union measures to be enforced. The U.S. and EU often cite violations of the U.N. ban on enrichment and other sensitive nuclear work as justification for imposing additional penalties on Iran.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry told Congress on Wednesday that an Iran nuclear deal would not be legally binding, meaning future U.S. presidents could decide not to implement it. That point was emphasized in an open letter by 47 Republican senators sent on Monday to Iran's leaders asserting any deal could be discarded once President Barack Obama leaves office in January 2017.

But a Security Council resolution on a nuclear deal with Iran could be legally binding, say Western diplomatic officials. That could complicate and possibly undercut future attempts by Republicans in Washington to unravel an agreement.

Iran and the six powers are aiming to complete the framework of a nuclear deal by the end of March, and achieve a full agreement by June 30, to curb Iran's most sensitive nuclear activities for at least 10 years in exchange for a gradual end to all sanctions on the Islamic Republic.

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the rest of the article can be found here.....http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/12/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN0M82IS20150312



Im also including a snip from the article because it addresses the ramifications of the letter from republicans

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Officials said a U.N. resolution could help protect any nuclear deal against attempts by Republicans in U.S. Congress to sabotage it. Since violation of U.N. demands that Iran halt enrichment provide a legal basis for sanctioning Tehran, a new resolution could make new sanction moves difficult.

"There is an interesting question about whether, if the Security Council endorses the deal, that stops Congress undermining the deal," a Western diplomat said.

Other Western officials said Republicans might be deterred from undermining any deal if the Security Council unanimously endorses it and demonstrates that the world is united in favor of a diplomatic solution to the 12-year nuclear standoff.

Concerns that Republican-controlled Congress might try to derail a nuclear agreement have been fueled by the letter to Iran's leaders and a Republican invitation to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to address Congress in a March 3 speech that railed against a nuclear deal with Iran.




I guess people will believe the UN should be dismantled, and use this as a leverage example, but ignore that the cause was the republicans own doing.




KenDckey -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:14:31 AM)

Actually, I don't think it would be legally binding. We are still at war with North Korea, yet some of those same countries still trade in arms and ammunition to them. There are other examples. Just my thoughts.




Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:17:58 AM)

WHat about it makes you think it wouldnt be legally binding?




KenDckey -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:23:48 AM)

Stuff like this

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/UN-Cuba-North-Korea-weapons/2014/03/11/id/558926/




Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:29:13 AM)

ooooh you mean people break laws , so we should do away with them?




KenDckey -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:35:16 AM)

Nope Not saying that anyone broke a law. Saying that UN resolutions are not law. They may turn into international law. But, they aren't law until they are.

If that were the case we would be in WWIII long ago. Because jsut about all if not all countries have broken UN Resolutions over the lifetime of the UN.

Forgot to add

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2014/147




Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 9:55:34 AM)

well it certainly wouldnt get thru the congress and senate right now, lol and nothing will get thru if a repub takes the presidency in 16(LOL)

Its well documented how much the RW hates the UN anyway, you(the US) still havent ratified the Human rights declaration.




mnottertail -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 10:06:50 AM)

When was war declared on North Korea and why wasn't Ike informed?




kdsub -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 10:18:52 AM)

The UN is a waste of time in reality...has been always will be... The ONLY thing that will work is if an agreement is made directly with the US and the agreement is ratified by the congress. So I hope Obama is communicating the specifics of an agreement to responsible members of the Republican Congress.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 10:42:00 AM)

Pull out...suffer the repercussions, and you cant and wouldnt be able to do it.
But you also cant have it your own way....
No one can...
Unless you think like a republican senator who thinks anyone in the world isnt aware (civilisation) that a future government can change the damn agreement deal.
I mean, that is pretending to be superior and showing your own ignorance up as pure idiocy
They did that in spades last week




KenDckey -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 10:58:28 AM)

At some point, most likely within the next 1000 years, I believe that the UN or some other similar organization will become the total governmnent of the world.




Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 11:00:17 AM)

aaaaaaaaaah the NWO, of course




kdsub -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 11:31:49 AM)

Lucy please show ONE damn example of the UN solving ANY world problem...right now the only agreement that would mean anything is between Iran and the only nation on earth with the power to enforce terms. That sure as hell wouldn't be the UN.





Lucylastic -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 11:46:03 AM)

so you expect the world to listen to you? as supreme overlords of all that is right?

HAH
When was the last time the US won a war you started?
and if you REALLY dont think the UN has any use, I pity your wilful ignorance.
You will argue everything I post..
as always




mnottertail -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 12:36:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Nope Not saying that anyone broke a law. Saying that UN resolutions are not law. They may turn into international law. But, they aren't law until they are.

If that were the case we would be in WWIII long ago. Because jsut about all if not all countries have broken UN Resolutions over the lifetime of the UN.

Forgot to add

http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=S/2014/147



Doesn't matter what international law is, we don't believe in it or deal with it if not to our liking.




Politesub53 -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 5:45:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

At some point, most likely within the next 1000 years, I believe that the UN or some other similar organization will become the total governmnent of the world.


Oh FFS....... I didnt think an adult could believe this drivel, let alone admit he believes it.

And you wonder why I dont take you seriously.




Politesub53 -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 5:48:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Lucy please show ONE damn example of the UN solving ANY world problem...right now the only agreement that would mean anything is between Iran and the only nation on earth with the power to enforce terms. That sure as hell wouldn't be the UN.




Laughable stuff (Bolded by me) once again from you Butch......




KenDckey -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 5:57:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

At some point, most likely within the next 1000 years, I believe that the UN or some other similar organization will become the total governmnent of the world.


Oh FFS....... I didnt think an adult could believe this drivel, let alone admit he believes it.

And you wonder why I dont take you seriously.



LOL indoctronated since I first watched Star Trek on the Free 16mm circuit when I was stationed in Africa. LOL




DesideriScuri -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 6:06:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Actually, I don't think it would be legally binding. We are still at war with North Korea, yet some of those same countries still trade in arms and ammunition to them. There are other examples. Just my thoughts.


UN Security Council Resolutions are legally binding to all member states. Enforcing compliance, however, might not be an easy thing to do, so a UNSC Resolution might be more of a recommendation, even though, technically, it's legally binding.




BamaD -> RE: Good article from Reuters on Iran and the nuclear "deal" (3/13/2015 6:22:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Actually, I don't think it would be legally binding. We are still at war with North Korea, yet some of those same countries still trade in arms and ammunition to them. There are other examples. Just my thoughts.


UN Security Council Resolutions are legally binding to all member states. Enforcing compliance, however, might not be an easy thing to do, so a UNSC Resolution might be more of a recommendation, even though, technically, it's legally binding.


But unenforceable and blatantly ignored by anyone who disagrees with them, otherwise there would no longer be an Israel.




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