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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 7:54:26 AM   
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Far right = fascism
Far left = communism

Love how right wingers always lump both far right and far left together as leftist. News flash to those on the right, extremism on either side is bad, and in the US, the right is closer to the Taliban, Al Queda, and ISIS than the left is to being communism.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 7:59:49 AM   
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Far right = fascism
Far left = communism

Love how right wingers always lump both far right and far left together as leftist. News flash to those on the right, extremism on either side is bad, and in the US, the right is closer to the Taliban, Al Queda, and ISIS than the left is to being communism.

Your statement is perfectly accurate and factual. However, for some on the looney right facts are only facts if they align with their idiotic political ideology - bounty's claim is a perfect example of this. So why factual rebuttals are enough to persuade most people they fail to convince the looney Right.

I would dearly love to be wrong about my observation but I suspect that I won't be. If bounty persists with his astonishingly ignorant claim that will confirm my suspicions in this particular case.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 8:20:08 AM   
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your potential incontinence aside, perhaps instead of dismissing the post as "fiction" you could actually refute the differences between those particular points of the Nazi party platform and those of contemporary liberals? good luck with that.


Looks like all they have is their incontinence...

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 8:29:15 AM   
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quote:

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your potential incontinence aside, perhaps instead of dismissing the post as "fiction" you could actually refute the differences between those particular points of the Nazi party platform and those of contemporary liberals? good luck with that.


Looks like all they have is their incontinence...

The challenge I put to bounty is also open to you Sanity.

Can you cite one authoritative independent political scientist/analyst who agrees with bounty's ignorant, idiotic claim that the Nazis were leftists?

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 8:32:00 AM   
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Here we go again:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=piH3293-ShM

http://nationalreport.net/msnbc-anchor-resigns-admits-spreading-lies-behalf-obama/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-lies-657391

so you havent watched the video or the information, Just proven I was right in every instance:)
Congratulations.
ta daaaaaaaaa
that didnt take long did it.

Actually, my post is in regards to your statement about credibility. As for tiny dancer's blog post from political-fact? That's been shown to be left of center.

They all lie. Surprise.



Actually I have to apologise to you CD...I was responding to your response, thinking we were in another thread, I apologise for not realising that before I posted. My bad.

However,
Point stands, The OP was satire. Some see it as such, some see it as biased and lying liberal bullshit ....some believe it, (not neccessarily in this thread, but other places and comments), and some didnt comment.

When something interests me for whatever reason, I research it, from more than "headline" information, I research it from both sides of the political aisle, I actually learn a lot, I often post "rw links" BECAUSE Of the divergence in view. As long as the FACTS are included, Ill use it.

Of course there are those issues when my inner sadist comes out to play (days ending in y)

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 8:38:57 AM   
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Talking about credibility, what about the recent claim by one Right winger that the Nazis were left wingers?

I almost wet myself I laughed so much at that bit of fiction. Then I felt a little sad as I realised that the person who posted the nonsense might just believe it to be true ...

But you are correct. Credibility depends on things like facts and truth, which seem to be foreign concepts to some of our Right wingers


well compared to him probably... and by the way there are people leaning repubblicans here I've only heard being openly critic only about gun control and single payer health care among the nazist political initiatives.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 8:57:38 AM   
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Yes. I discern large differences between various posters from the Right. Some like DesideriScuri post informed thoughtful posts and often adopt positions that do not align with the standard Right wing viewpoint. Others are rabid ideologues who advance the party line without reference to evidence or fact and can be relied upon to post appallingly ignorant nonsense such as the claim that the Nazis were leftists.

That's why I used the qualifying phrase "some of our Right wingers" rather than a blanket identification like an unqualified "Right wingers" ... though at other times I might use the phrase "looney Right' to describe the latter group. It's a bit more pointed without losing any accuracy or veracity.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 9:22:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Here we go again:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=piH3293-ShM

http://nationalreport.net/msnbc-anchor-resigns-admits-spreading-lies-behalf-obama/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-lies-657391

so you havent watched the video or the information, Just proven I was right in every instance:)
Congratulations.
ta daaaaaaaaa
that didnt take long did it.

Actually, my post is in regards to your statement about credibility. As for tiny dancer's blog post from political-fact? That's been shown to be left of center.

They all lie. Surprise.



Actually I have to apologise to you CD...I was responding to your response, thinking we were in another thread, I apologise for not realising that before I posted. My bad.

However,
Point stands, The OP was satire. Some see it as such, some see it as biased and lying liberal bullshit ....some believe it, (not neccessarily in this thread, but other places and comments), and some didnt comment.

When something interests me for whatever reason, I research it, from more than "headline" information, I research it from both sides of the political aisle, I actually learn a lot, I often post "rw links" BECAUSE Of the divergence in view. As long as the FACTS are included, Ill use it.

Of course there are those issues when my inner sadist comes out to play (days ending in y)

BTW
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Everybody hurts... "REM"
It doesnt make it right, but it is true.

And your ability to learn from the right is what makes you different from many on the left on these boards.

I wouldn't know about my inner sadist...me being such an innocent, angelic dominant sort.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 9:25:00 AM   
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Yes. I discern large differences between various posters from the Right. Some like DesideriScuri post informed thoughtful posts and often adopt positions that do not align with the standard Right wing viewpoint. Others are rabid ideologues who advance the party line without reference to evidence or fact and can be relied upon to post appallingly ignorant nonsense such as the claim that the Nazis were leftists.

That's why I used the qualifying phrase "some of our Right wingers" rather than a blanket identification like an unqualified "Right wingers" ... though at other times I might use the phrase "looney Right' to describe the latter group. It's a bit more pointed without losing any accuracy or veracity.

Same person who claimed islam was the same as leftist.
Too much stupid in one meme and claimed as factual. it wasnt worth arguing the points because it wouldnt have been debated, or argued, just ignored, The willful ignorance level, is past the point of credible



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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 9:26:27 AM   
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Far right = fascism
Far left = communism

Love how right wingers always lump both far right and far left together as leftist. News flash to those on the right, extremism on either side is bad, and in the US, the right is closer to the Taliban, Al Queda, and ISIS than the left is to being communism.

Tell me, to...which of the below best describes you?
Liberalism is the most important to understand. The word itself comes from the same root at liberty. It can mean different things to different people, but in the end, it has to do with openness and a lack of restriction.
When the word was originally used, which is often referred to as Classical Liberalism, it described capitalism and democracy. It was the freedom to trade and pursue personal enterprise as well as the freedom for people to govern themselves. It was a depart from the old regime of monarchs and absolute power.
As time has gone on, the meaning has changed, although the root is still present. When pure capitalism resulted in catastrophe (The Great Depression), people looked to the government to intervene and moderate the economy. That has evolved in a wide series of government programs to redistribute wealth. Now it can be seen as liberty from the power of business elite.
Other aspects of liberalism today have to do with the social sphere. It involves equal rights and status for everyone, particularly minorities, women, and LGTB. It also puts emphasis on education, public services, and environmentalism with deemphasis on guns and military.
Overall, the word liberal really has to do with openness to change and response to the needs of the people as a whole.

Progressive is very closely related to liberalism, but more specifically the modern liberalism that I described. It does not have that internal foundation of liberty like the word liberalism does. Progressives call for heavy regulation of big businesses and corporations. They advocate universal healthcare and education. They generally want all social barriers to be broken, giving everyone the same conditions. The word progress is in it, but progress is seen only in the state of the lowest class.

Leftist is yet another word for liberal, but still without that foundation of liberty in the word. It usually refers to stances on the actual policies and mandates in politics, rather than the overall concept of liberalism.

Radicals belong to both sides of the political spectrum. They are extreme and advocate thorough or complete reforms. They are uncompromisable and view the world with very narrow lenses, generally seeing all things in black and white. One side is always and clearly right, while the other is always and clearly wrong.

The important thing to remember is that all these words, especially liberal, have very vague meanings and interpretations. The best way to understand them is to look at the root of the word and where it came from. This way, you can see the source of the opinion and its logical process, not just the opinion itself.
http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-in-modern-politics-between-liberal-progressive-leftist-and-radical

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 9:26:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Here we go again:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/12/is-msnbc-worse-than-fox-news-179175.html

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=piH3293-ShM

http://nationalreport.net/msnbc-anchor-resigns-admits-spreading-lies-behalf-obama/

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-lies-657391

so you havent watched the video or the information, Just proven I was right in every instance:)
Congratulations.
ta daaaaaaaaa
that didnt take long did it.

Actually, my post is in regards to your statement about credibility. As for tiny dancer's blog post from political-fact? That's been shown to be left of center.

They all lie. Surprise.



Actually I have to apologise to you CD...I was responding to your response, thinking we were in another thread, I apologise for not realising that before I posted. My bad.

However,
Point stands, The OP was satire. Some see it as such, some see it as biased and lying liberal bullshit ....some believe it, (not neccessarily in this thread, but other places and comments), and some didnt comment.

When something interests me for whatever reason, I research it, from more than "headline" information, I research it from both sides of the political aisle, I actually learn a lot, I often post "rw links" BECAUSE Of the divergence in view. As long as the FACTS are included, Ill use it.

Of course there are those issues when my inner sadist comes out to play (days ending in y)

BTW
Everybody lies "House"
Everybody hurts... "REM"
It doesnt make it right, but it is true.

And your ability to learn from the right is what makes you different from many on the left on these boards.

I wouldn't know about my inner sadist...me being such an innocent, angelic dominant sort.




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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 5:51:47 PM   
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Yes. I discern large differences between various posters from the Right. Some like DesideriScuri post informed thoughtful posts and often adopt positions that do not align with the standard Right wing viewpoint. Others are rabid ideologues who advance the party line without reference to evidence or fact and can be relied upon to post appallingly ignorant nonsense such as the claim that the Nazis were leftists.

That's why I used the qualifying phrase "some of our Right wingers" rather than a blanket identification like an unqualified "Right wingers" ... though at other times I might use the phrase "looney Right' to describe the latter group. It's a bit more pointed without losing any accuracy or veracity.

Same person who claimed islam was the same as leftist.
Too much stupid in one meme and claimed as factual. it wasnt worth arguing the points because it wouldnt have been debated, or argued, just ignored, The willful ignorance level, is past the point of credible


You would think I have pointed out what the Nazis did to the German Communist Party, enough times for at least one of these dumbarses to understand it.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 6:19:52 PM   
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far too late for truth my friend.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/13/2015 6:48:02 PM   
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You would think I have pointed out what the Nazis did to the German Communist Party, enough times for at least one of these dumbarses to understand it.



Socialist "Dear Leader" types tend to murder other socialist leaders (along with everyone else)

They hate the competition

We have seen it time, and time again

So whats your point

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/14/2015 2:53:27 AM   
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You would think I have pointed out what the Nazis did to the German Communist Party, enough times for at least one of these dumbarses to understand it.



Socialist "Dear Leader" types tend to murder other socialist leaders (along with everyone else)

They hate the competition

We have seen it time, and time again

So whats your point


I see that both you and bounty have declined to rise to the challenge I put to you in post 24. Just in case you missed it, here it is again:
Can you cite one authoritative independent political scientist/analyst who agrees with bounty's ignorant, idiotic claim that the Nazis were leftists?

I look forward to seeing your response.

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/14/2015 5:43:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You would think I have pointed out what the Nazis did to the German Communist Party, enough times for at least one of these dumbarses to understand it.



Socialist "Dear Leader" types tend to murder other socialist leaders (along with everyone else)

They hate the competition

We have seen it time, and time again

So whats your point


My first point would be you know fuck all about the differences between socialism and communism, left and right, arse and elbow.

Therefor my question is....whats your point ?

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/15/2015 4:44:58 AM   
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"I see that both you and bounty have declined to rise to the challenge I put to you in post 24. Just in case you missed it, here it is again:
Can you cite one authoritative independent political scientist/analyst who agrees with bounty's ignorant, idiotic claim that the Nazis were leftists? "

ive said this before---I typically don't go back and forth paying a lot of attention to what people post after I do. the main reason being, so many of the liberals here make a point of being intentionally personally abusive and pretty much ruin my enjoyment here.

I might have said this before, I don't remember, if you want a particular reply from me, feel invited to send me a private message, and id be happy to.

that said--I don't have to find "one authoritative independent political scientist" who agrees with me.

I posted multiple platform positions of the Nazi party. they bear incredibly similarity with today's leftists, almost word for word in some instances. that is enough for me and it should be enough for anyone with average reading skills to be able to say "oh my, I can see how close they are to the same."

i know liberals like to think they are the do-gooders of the world, and so I can see how being likened to the positions of the Nazi party can offend their sensibilities, but that doesn't change the similarities.


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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/15/2015 5:23:36 AM   
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I am looking in my big fat adolf hitler book, the definitive work on him by john toland. maybe it will help to hear in hitler's own words:

We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

pp. 224–225

looks similar to the left to me...



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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/15/2015 7:13:07 AM   
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wonderfully good in its timing, there is this:

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/201314/ (there is a youtube video link there)

of course, bill whittle and Andrew klavan could be ignorant and idiotic too...


"PJTV viewer "Digging4Information" asks Andrew Klavan & Bill Whittle about Nazis and Fascists. He asks why both are presented in the media as "right-wing" when both Nazis and Fascists had socialist roots. Klavan and Whittle wonder whether nazism and fascism might be more similar to today's similar to today's progressive movement in the Democratic Party than to modern conservatism."

in case any of you are wondering where this all came from---that is, what prompted me to post my thoughts on it in the first place. it was a response to one of your wonderfully tolerant fellow left wingers continually calling the camp I predominantly belong to, Nazis.






I wonder what comes next?

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RE: Iran Offers to Mediate Talks Between Republicans an... - 3/15/2015 7:19:20 AM   
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