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KenDckey -> FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 4:54:29 PM)
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-evidence-of-fraud-in-hurricane-sandy-reports/ Thousands of people who have been denied flood insurance claims for homes destroyed by Hurricane Sandy have been crying fraud. Now, the executive in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's insurance program tells 60 Minutes he has seen evidence of fraud in reports used to deny them full insurance payouts. You gotta read the entire article or see the 60 minutes report, but it doesn't say that FEMA is directly responsible but it does say the IG is going to look into the matter. I imagine Congress too will look into the matter and that someone is in huge trouble.

Kirata -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 6:34:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I imagine Congress too will look into the matter and that someone is in huge trouble. Not a chance... all their hard drives were erased by accident. K.

MrRodgers -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 7:04:57 PM)
Maybe somebody sold billion$ in faulty trailers, say like Katrina. Maybe the govt. should fix all of that first hey ? Among the many superlatives associated with Hurricane Katrina can now be added this one: it produced one of the most extraordinary displays of scams, schemes and stupefying bureaucratic bungles in modern history, costing taxpayers up to $2 billion. Here I don't recall anyone in 'huge trouble' over that. Did I miss something ?

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 7:16:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I imagine Congress too will look into the matter and that someone is in huge trouble. Not a chance... all their hard drives were erased by accident. K. I read on the internet the largest threat to computer hard drives is a subpoena. [:D]

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 7:24:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Maybe somebody sold billion$ in faulty trailers, say like Katrina. Maybe the govt. should fix all of that first hey ? Among the many superlatives associated with Hurricane Katrina can now be added this one: it produced one of the most extraordinary displays of scams, schemes and stupefying bureaucratic bungles in modern history, costing taxpayers up to $2 billion. Here I don't recall anyone in 'huge trouble' over that. Did I miss something ? Apparently, you missed that in Katrina, it wasn't government committing the fraud, but Citizens and business trying to defraud government. In this article, it's about insurance companies trying to defraud Citizens (and, I assume, businesses). The money that is being paid out is a fund granted by the US Government, and meted out by FEMA. In this case, FEMA isn't being implicated in changing engineering reports to deny claims. Apparently, that's the insurance companies doing that. There may be someone within government guilty of advising those insurance companies to keep payouts down, or to doctor the engineering reports, but it's entirely possible that that didn't happen, too. I highly doubt the Obama Administration had anything to do with this.

MrRodgers -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (2/28/2015 8:14:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Maybe somebody sold billion$ in faulty trailers, say like Katrina. Maybe the govt. should fix all of that first hey ? Among the many superlatives associated with Hurricane Katrina can now be added this one: it produced one of the most extraordinary displays of scams, schemes and stupefying bureaucratic bungles in modern history, costing taxpayers up to $2 billion. Here I don't recall anyone in 'huge trouble' over that. Did I miss something ? Apparently, you missed that in Katrina, it wasn't government committing the fraud, but Citizens and business trying to defraud government. In this article, it's about insurance companies trying to defraud Citizens (and, I assume, businesses). The money that is being paid out is a fund granted by the US Government, and meted out by FEMA. In this case, FEMA isn't being implicated in changing engineering reports to deny claims. Apparently, that's the insurance companies doing that. There may be someone within government guilty of advising those insurance companies to keep payouts down, or to doctor the engineering reports, but it's entirely possible that that didn't happen, too. I highly doubt the Obama Administration had anything to do with this. For the most part, you are correct but for Katrina: "While many people filed bogus claims, the growing roster of the accused goes beyond the usual con artists. It includes employees of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers, other public officials, business owners, even temporary workers for the Red Cross." Seems govt. is far to lax in all of this. Estimates were as much as $1 billion was scammed.

Sanity -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 3:32:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers For the most part, you are correct but for Katrina: "While many people filed bogus claims, the growing roster of the accused goes beyond the usual con artists. It includes employees of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers, other public officials, business owners, even temporary workers for the Red Cross." Seems govt. is far to lax in all of this. Estimates were as much as $1 billion was scammed. Its just tax money. I dont see what the big deal is... There is practically an endless supply of that. Trillions and trillions and trillions to be had.

joether -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 4:20:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fema-evidence-of-fraud-in-hurricane-sandy-reports/ Thousands of people who have been denied flood insurance claims for homes destroyed by Hurricane Sandy have been crying fraud. Now, the executive in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency's insurance program tells 60 Minutes he has seen evidence of fraud in reports used to deny them full insurance payouts. You gotta read the entire article or see the 60 minutes report, but it doesn't say that FEMA is directly responsible but it does say the IG is going to look into the matter. I imagine Congress too will look into the matter and that someone is in huge trouble. One has to prove someone else committed fraud to claim damages in court. Not the other way around. That the FEMA fund is in the hole for $23 billion should be dealt with by Congress ASAP. Then again, Congress has so many issues that are filed under' ASAP' that the 'wait log' is about 14 years! I can imagine people's frustration. Maybe we need to fire a few of these people in Congress for 'failure to perform'. What was their approval rating again, 8%?

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 6:11:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers Maybe somebody sold billion$ in faulty trailers, say like Katrina. Maybe the govt. should fix all of that first hey ? Among the many superlatives associated with Hurricane Katrina can now be added this one: it produced one of the most extraordinary displays of scams, schemes and stupefying bureaucratic bungles in modern history, costing taxpayers up to $2 billion. Here I don't recall anyone in 'huge trouble' over that. Did I miss something ? Apparently, you missed that in Katrina, it wasn't government committing the fraud, but Citizens and business trying to defraud government. In this article, it's about insurance companies trying to defraud Citizens (and, I assume, businesses). The money that is being paid out is a fund granted by the US Government, and meted out by FEMA. In this case, FEMA isn't being implicated in changing engineering reports to deny claims. Apparently, that's the insurance companies doing that. There may be someone within government guilty of advising those insurance companies to keep payouts down, or to doctor the engineering reports, but it's entirely possible that that didn't happen, too. I highly doubt the Obama Administration had anything to do with this. For the most part, you are correct but for Katrina: "While many people filed bogus claims, the growing roster of the accused goes beyond the usual con artists. It includes employees of the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers, other public officials, business owners, even temporary workers for the Red Cross." Seems govt. is far to lax in all of this. Estimates were as much as $1 billion was scammed. Even in those cases, they were defrauding government, not individuals.

KenDckey -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 7:43:09 AM)
I think that what makes it a potential scandal is whom gave the word to industry to deny the claims. I have no clue that it was anyone in or outside the Administration, but since it appears to be industry wide, it begs to ask the question.

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 8:08:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey I think that what makes it a potential scandal is whom gave the word to industry to deny the claims. I have no clue that it was anyone in or outside the Administration, but since it appears to be industry wide, it begs to ask the question. It could very easily be the insurance companies acting on their own, too.

KenDckey -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 8:29:59 AM)
That is why I said in or outside the administration

DaddySatyr -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 9:26:13 AM)
My uncle lived in Mahwah, one house away from the confluence of two rivers. He didn't "lose" his house, per se but everything was a loss except the second floor. What's interesting is that it is common knowledge, to people that live in that area (I lived about 60 miles South, at the time), is that Sandy wasn't the "Super Storm" that the powers-that-be want us to believe it was. How so? Well, that weekend, there was another event that occurred. About two miles up-river, in New York State (Mahwah is, literally, on the border. The next town to the North is Suffern, NY), there was a dam upon which the Army Corps of Engineers had been doing work for years. That particular weekend, the dam, gave way and caused most of the flooding into the local valley. There has been a fight going on up there about whether or not the dam giving way was as a result of human error/poor engineering. Rumor Control has it that the failure had absolutely nothing to do with the storm and the storm, in-and-of-itself, would not have caused the damage that happened that weekend. I don't claim to know facts, but it raises some interesting questions: Fact: The dam *DID* fail/give way/whatever That weekend. Fact: That area has weathered worse storms than Sandy before and after that weekend. Based upon these facts: Was the dam purposely sabotaged in order to allow the "SuperStorm" narrative? Was the dam human error, making flood insurance a moot point since it wasn't an act of God that did all the damage? Was the storm really that destructive all on its own and the failure of the dam is being brought up to mis-direct the government having to pay on that insurance? Just some questions ... Michael ETA: Shit! I confused Irene and Sandy! I will leave this here because it may be germane but I will make another post about Sandy, since I was one of the people affected by that one. Sandy caused me and my neighbors to be without power for nine days. I lived less than a mile from the Raritan River (New Brunswick, NJ), at the time. I had NO FLOODING. NO ONE in the surrounding areas that I talked to had so much as a leaky basement. Since I no longer live there, I will give the address for the people who wish to perpetually dismiss things out-of-hand. I lived at 378 Comstock Street, New Brunswick, NJ 08901. You can Google it and see how close to the river I was. None of the streets were flooded. There was an old tree, right down the block that was directly hit by a lightening strike that damaged one house, in particular but contributed nothing to the wide-spread "damage" that was reported, nation-wide. Personally, I think we were used as a way to advance the "Global Warming" narrative because I had certainly seen worse storms there (Irene, obviously, comes to mind). I think the whole thing was mass hysteria bullshit that was propped up by the memories of Irene (which, as I explained earlier, was also enhanced by facts that weren't widely disclosed). M.P.C.

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 4:12:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey That is why I said in or outside the administration But, your title says otherwise... quote: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal

KenDckey -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 5:41:27 PM)
Probable doesn't mean it is a scandal Means it probably will be at some point in the future. Until then it is a news story on which I have an opinion.

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 6:47:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Probable doesn't mean it is a scandal Means it probably will be at some point in the future. Until then it is a news story on which I have an opinion. I have no problem with anyone having an opinion, regardless of whether or not I agree with that opinion. If you're going to blame the Administration, have at it. If you're not blaming the Administration, or holding that they might not be involved, don't blame them. Remember: I'm no fan of this Administration. By saying FEMA is the next probably Administration Scandal, you're saying that 1. it's a scandal of this Administration, and that it's probably the next one to be brought out in the media. I'm saying I don't think it's a scandal of this Administration, making it not likely to be the next Administration scandal.

KenDckey -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/1/2015 11:19:30 PM)
Could be right who knows. Hence the wording in my post. If the Administration isn't involved in corercing the insurance companies as a cost savings all well and good. If the Administration should have caught this before, not so good. If the insurance coluded to keep insurance claims down, not good. If they hid that information from the Administration in some manner not good. Lots of different options. Not sure yet which one fits. If, as I suspect, Congress gets into the act, they will look toward the Administration for the answers - hence probable scandal - because they will yell coverup.

DesideriScuri -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/2/2015 2:18:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Could be right who knows. Hence the wording in my post. If the Administration isn't involved in corercing the insurance companies as a cost savings all well and good. If the Administration should have caught this before, not so good. If the insurance coluded to keep insurance claims down, not good. If they hid that information from the Administration in some manner not good. Lots of different options. Not sure yet which one fits. If, as I suspect, Congress gets into the act, they will look toward the Administration for the answers - hence probable scandal - because they will yell coverup. Congress will look at this Administration if it gets into the act, but not because of probably Administration malfeasance. Congress will look at this Administration simply because they are trying to destroy this Administration. IMO, there are plenty of things that tarnish this Administration without trying to pin every ill and woe that happens on it. I don't believe the Administration would attempt to limit the amount of money paid out anyway. Shower those that lost greatly, and you'll win more votes than you lose. To be clear, I don't think this Administration cares much about average citizens beyond their votes. Passing out Big Gov largesse is easy, and a pretty safe bet towards winning people over.

KenDckey -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/2/2015 6:41:09 AM)
Just sayin That is tatramount to buying votes. Just sayin

Gauge -> RE: FEMA The next probable Administration Scandal (3/2/2015 10:37:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Could be right who knows. Hence the wording in my post. If the Administration isn't involved in corercing the insurance companies as a cost savings all well and good. If the Administration should have caught this before, not so good. If the insurance coluded to keep insurance claims down, not good. If they hid that information from the Administration in some manner not good. Lots of different options. Not sure yet which one fits. If, as I suspect, Congress gets into the act, they will look toward the Administration for the answers - hence probable scandal - because they will yell coverup. Insurance companies have been fucking people out of money forever. You seriously think that this administration (inside, outside, above, below, to the side) TOLD them to do that?

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