joether
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Funny thing with politics...
...A Democrat tried to push a bill through that would allow the US Market to obtain all 100% of the oil shipped from Canada. It was destroyed by Republicans! That's right, America should take on all the expenses and liabilities, but obtain none of the benefits or profit.
That is what this issue is about. We have nothing to really gain from this stupid pipeline, but stand to loose much if something, somewhere, fucks up!
Would you allow a pipeline carrying toxic material through your backyard in which you gained no benefit from, but if there was a problem, you would stand to lose your yard and house?
Let's just ignore that the State Dept's report identified the greatest US capacity to refine that goop as residing in the Gulf Coast refiners, ok? That's why Keystone XL goes to the Gulf Coast. That's where we have refinery capability and capacity to refine the tar sands.
The refineries (and those workers) will surely see some profit, won't they?
Yes, the refineries and subsequently the workers, do profit from the pipeline. I'm stating "Why should America handle the total liability and not get the total benefits with it?" As I stated, this issue is a political football were everyone uses it to score points for their base. The reality is, Republicans lost their credibility to the American people when they down voted a bill that would require all the oil shipped and refined be...ONLY...used right here in America. The refineries and the workers would benefit. Why cant the rest of America as well?
No taxes will be paid? I guess those workers can rejoice that they won't have to pay any income taxes on their incomes! Lucky sob's!
You are going to benefit, Joether. You just have to take off your blinders and accept the truth.
Ok, DS, we are going to play a game. Its called 'Reality'. I want you to spot in....EITHER....of my posts you were responding to, were I mentioned taxes? Because that is the whole 'thrust' of your 'argument' here.
Reality shows quite clearly that I did not mention taxes. Or that the workers would not pay taxes. And why did I not say this? BECAUSE IT WASN'T BROUGHT UP IN EITHER POST! A first grader could point that out; what's your excuse?
I already benefit from low oil and gas prices, DS, its called 'President Obama'. The Republicans stated in the last general election that if President Obama was re-elected, the price at the pump would have been $5.50/gallon in January of 2015. Reality? It was $2.19/gallon in that same month. By how much were Republicans off in their 'calculation'?
Now, let's keep going with reality. ALL the oil. That would be 100%, DS. That comes from Canada, is going to....FOREIGN MARKETS. Foreign markets mean 'places outside the 50 states in the nation'. Meaning, 0.0% of that oil will be used within the USA. Further, the money the refineries make will already be deduced from being taxed in a number of ways.
I really hate having to explain this stuff like your a fucking 1st grader, DS. I sincerely do! Maybe I'm expecting to much of you, of all people, to have a basic level of understanding of what this topic is all about. When you clear away the political bullshit and look at this objectively, you understand what is really being discussed. One more pipeline of many already existing in the nation. That will carry oil from Canada to a Gulf state refinery system. That oil, once conditioned, will be put on transports to be set to markets outside of the United States of America. That's the basics.
That the project will require 'X' number of workers to construct the pipeline. And these jobs are unfortunately, temporary positions lasting nor more than 3-6 months. After the pipe is finished, less than fifty workers will be needed to maintain the system. That in essence the country handles all the liability and none of the benefits. Its been shown by quite a few other examples of pipelines leaking and even rupturing. An the damage that befalls locations. Historical and finacial records show these damage levels far exceeded the benefits the locations gain from pipelines running through their backyards.
That Democrats tried to place a bill requiring this oil being shipped be used within the USA, rather than foreign markets. Thereby we gain the benefits....AND....the liabilities. That is often known as 'sound business thinking'. Republicans shot down that bill.
These are the facts, DS. They are indisputable. I have the evidence and history books to back up all these points.
So in order for you to make a case that this pipeline benefits me directly, requires you to come up with the burden of evidence. That has not happen yet. You can call me names, insult my intelligence and education, and even behave like a child. None of these will help your case worth shit. So the ball's in your court, DS....
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