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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 4:40:48 AM

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How many death threats do you think this President gets in a day? Far higher than any other white President! Most of them, just because he is black!

You're making shit up again, bozo. You don't know how many threats Obama or any other President has received.

Secret Service: Threat level against Obama no greater than under Bush, Clinton

U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents — claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.

K.

Why the hell are you using "proof" from the first year of the presidents term to prove a point made today?

And FR to the conspiracy theorists

Apart from the fact that the pres cannot run a third term....why is anyone suggesting he needs to get his approval rating up.
Its been at 49-50 percent for the past few weeks.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 4:43:36 AM

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Why the hell are you using "proof" from the first year of the presidents term to prove a point made today?

The only "point" made today was that somebody was up to his usual business of making shit up.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 4:46:56 AM

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Not saying which way is actually correct, but makes one wonder.

1. Threat is real

2. Threat is a political ploy to try to force congress to fund illegals

What do you think?

I think I'm missing the connection with funding illegals.

K.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 7:21:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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Not saying which way is actually correct, but makes one wonder.

1. Threat is real

2. Threat is a political ploy to try to force congress to fund illegals

What do you think?

I think I'm missing the connection with funding illegals.

K.

with DHS shut down because of the Dem filibuster on their funding, it will be harder on them to do their job.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 7:32:01 AM

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Why the hell are you using "proof" from the first year of the presidents term to prove a point made today?

The only "point" made today was that somebody was up to his usual business of making shit up.

K.

oh Im sorry, go on picking on Joe....its much more fun than explaining your pathetic link

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 8:09:51 AM

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Not saying which way is actually correct, but makes one wonder.

1. Threat is real

2. Threat is a political ploy to try to force congress to fund illegals

What do you think?

I suppose the threat can be considered "real" in the sense that there is always a certain level of risk of terrorism (or any kind of violent criminal behavior) at any time or any place, with or without any advanced warning. It is true that there are people in this world who don't like America, so there is very definitely an overall threat of terrorism out there. But politicians would not be above using the public's fear of terrorism for political ends, although I'm not sure if it would be about funding illegals. If it's a ploy, then it would more likely be geared towards drumming up more public support for an escalation of military interventionism in the world.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 8:36:54 AM

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If the president was using this as a political ploy, he would have garnered much more attention and use by picking a Mall in a State that didnt vote for him, and that wasn't reading -25 for todays temp.

If it burns like the twin towers, Minnesota would be grateful for the heat.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 8:37:05 AM

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oh Im sorry, go on picking on Joe....its much more fun than explaining your pathetic link

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 2:26:08 PM

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You want to accuse the administration of wrong doing? That they are secretly conspiring against America? As one man put it: Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence. Got that Extraordinary Evidence?

Who accused the administration of wrongdoing?

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 2:40:07 PM

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How many death threats do you think this President gets in a day? Far higher than any other white President! Most of them, just because he is black!

You're making shit up again, bozo. You don't know how many threats Obama or any other President has received.
Secret Service: Threat level against Obama no greater than under Bush, Clinton
U.S. Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan dismissed published reports that the level of death threats against President Obama are four times greater than typical threat levels against recent presidents — claiming the current volume of threats is comparable to that under George W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
K.

Why the hell are you using "proof" from the first year of the presidents term to prove a point made today?
And FR to the conspiracy theorists
Apart from the fact that the pres cannot run a third term....why is anyone suggesting he needs to get his approval rating up.
Its been at 49-50 percent for the past few weeks.

First of all, no one said this President needs to get his approval ratings up. Second of all, the poster said it would improve the ratings of any President (which means it wasn't just something that would help this President). And, finally, no one actually accused this Administration of anything.

A non-left poster posed a question that had two options to it. The poster never said which option he thought was correct, and even admitted that he didn't know which option was correct.

Could an Administration gin up some "news" to help sway public opinion towards the Administration's desires? Of course an Administration could (note that I am not limiting this to the current Administration). With the funding of DHS hanging in the balance, couldn't this have been a "false flag" attack (I know, technically, this wouldn't be a good example of a "false flag attack," but it's the best phrase I could come up with)?

To be open and honest, I don't have any inclination that this threat was anything other than a threat by terrorists. I don't believe for a moment, that the Administration, DHS, or any US agency was behind this.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 6:26:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Not saying which way is actually correct, but makes one wonder.

1. Threat is real

2. Threat is a political ploy to try to force congress to fund illegals

What do you think?

I think I'm missing the connection with funding illegals.

K.

with DHS shut down because of the Dem filibuster on their funding, it will be harder on them to do their job.

The problem is tacking on unrelated amendments to, in many cases, must pass legislation. Both parties do it. The Republicans should drop the amendments in which case the funding will pass. Deal with imigration separately.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 6:29:52 PM

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The problem is tacking on unrelated amendments to, in many cases, must pass legislation. Both parties do it. The Republicans should drop the amendments in which case the funding will pass. Deal with imigration separately.

simply this.....

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 7:43:41 PM

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Actually with the filabuster block by the Dems, the DHS funding bill can't get to the floor of the Senate so that the Dems can try to amend the bill to include funding for immigration.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 7:53:17 PM

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It's a vicious circle of political BS.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 7:56:05 PM

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As we have seen in recent months calls for violence have been answered. These are real threats... not made up. I do not think it would be wise to ignore them.

There are other prime targets besides the Mall of America. Here in St Louis we have the largest concentration of Muslim Bosnian refugees in America...70,000 in a few city blocks. Personally I believe these men and women are fine citizens that have revitalized decayed neighborhoods. But... there have been recent arrests of Bosnians for providing economic support to ISIS. So I guess the potential for an attack on an area Mall should at least be taken seriously...and be Non-political.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 9:12:10 PM

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As we have seen in recent months calls for violence have been answered. These are real threats... not made up. I do not think it would be wise to ignore them.

There are other prime targets besides the Mall of America. Here in St Louis we have the largest concentration of Muslim Bosnian refugees in America...70,000 in a few city blocks. Personally I believe these men and women are fine citizens that have revitalized decayed neighborhoods. But... there have been recent arrests of Bosnians for providing economic support to ISIS. So I guess the potential for an attack on an area Mall should at least be taken seriously...and be Non-political.

Butch

Even if you think that it may be being ramped up for political reasons, can we really ignore the threat.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/23/2015 11:07:38 PM

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As we have seen in recent months calls for violence have been answered. These are real threats... not made up. I do not think it would be wise to ignore them.

I agree that we have to take any threat seriously, although it's hard to say whether it's someone talking loud and making empty threats or perhaps as a way of inciting others - or if they have the actual means and wherewithal to carry out such a threat. I suppose if one wished to comb the more radical fringes of the internet, one could likely find various kinds of threats against this, that, or the other thing.

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There are other prime targets besides the Mall of America. Here in St Louis we have the largest concentration of Muslim Bosnian refugees in America...70,000 in a few city blocks. Personally I believe these men and women are fine citizens that have revitalized decayed neighborhoods. But... there have been recent arrests of Bosnians for providing economic support to ISIS. So I guess the potential for an attack on an area Mall should at least be taken seriously...and be Non-political.

Butch

I never really could understand how or why terrorists choose their targets, at least when looking at some of the more notable terrorist attacks during my lifetime. I don't know what any terrorist group could expect to gain by an attack on the Mall of America (or any similar target), other than incurring another wave of intense wrath from the American people. It doesn't cause people to cower in fear or fold up; it just makes people even madder.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/24/2015 1:24:38 AM

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Another thought. They know that we can't deploy our military to protect civilian targets in the US, so they send the police to protect our malls and attack other high value targets that are unprotected.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/24/2015 6:41:58 AM

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I never really could understand how or why terrorists choose their targets, at least when looking at some of the more notable terrorist attacks during my lifetime. I don't know what any terrorist group could expect to gain by an attack on the Mall of America (or any similar target), other than incurring another wave of intense wrath from the American people. It doesn't cause people to cower in fear or fold up; it just makes people even madder.

Islamists dont think anything like you think. They are raised to believe that they are invincible, because they have the power of Allah on their side.

They believe that these are just the opening salvos of the newest, latest battle in a war they have been fighting since the time of Mohammad in which a successful tactic all along has been terrorizing those victims who they come to displace and destroy in their holy quest to seize the planet as their god commands. They are not playing patty-cake. Terror is a tool to them, as terrorized people flee or are otherwise too scared to fight, and so are much easier to carve up, enslave or convert. They dont care if they die or how much "madder" you get, as long as most of the target population eventually lives in sheer terror of them.

And they also understand that they have already taken a very large portion of the planet with their terror tactics.

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RE: Threat to the Mall of the Americas - 2/24/2015 7:11:20 AM

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Christians also have had the same history.

Anyway, its warmer today, good day to attack the Mall of America. You should know, because most of you do not, we have a large Somali population in MSP.

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