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Marini -> Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/19/2015 9:03:35 PM)

I don't read every single thread on here.
But I don't recall seeing any recent threads on Boko Haram.

*Last I checked they are STILL committing atrocities, and marching on.

With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?

CNN- March for Paris, but don't forget Boko Haram

How many people have Boko Haram killed so far?

New York Post-- Boko Haram death toll

From what I have read, they have killed as many people as ISIS---so far, we all know these figures will rise.

Between November 2013 and November 2014, at least 10,340 violent deaths related to Boko Haram-related violence were reported, according to data compiled by the Council for Foreign Relations.

According to the United Nations figures, 10,733 civilians were violently killed by ISIS in Iraq in the same period.

This article in BBC- is from 2/17/2015-- 3 days ago

BBC--Nigeria Attacks kill dozens as Boko Haram releases video
Wow

Here are a few little "facts" for those, who have NO idea who the "boko haram" are:
BBC- Who is the Boko Haram

I have heard a lot of "crickets' since the Bring Back our Girls Campaign last year.




usememistress775 -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 9:37:40 PM)

I'm going to lay it out on the line and say, again to reiterate THIS IS MY VIEW ON WHY THIS DOESN'T GET THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES, people are worried that any government seen as "the white majority" is afraid that they will be seen as racist by saying that something should be done. I'm not saying they don't want to help, but if a white person in America were to say anything there is a very small, vary vocal group of people who will cry racist.




Marini -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 9:44:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm going to lay it out on the line and say, again to reiterate THIS IS MY VIEW ON WHY THIS DOESN'T GET THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES, people are worried that any government seen as "the white majority" is afraid that they will be seen as racist by saying that something should be done. I'm not saying they don't want to help, but if a white person in America were to say anything there is a very small, vary vocal group of people who will cry racist.


I appreciate you speaking your mind.
We are so damn "poliitically correct" these days, that this world is upside down.




usememistress775 -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 9:47:18 PM)

I'm not even 30 yet.... But it still amazes me how fubared this world has gotten. Personally, I'd sign back up to fight people doing that, but there isn't enough outrage in America to get us into that fight.




Marini -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 9:48:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm not even 30 yet.... But it still amazes me how fubared this world has gotten. Personally, I'd sign back up to fight people doing that, but there isn't enough outrage in America to get us into that fight.


I am old enough to be your mother, but if/when the time comes, I would be proud to fight beside you.
*Of course I would have had you at a very, very young age.
[;)]




Marini -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 9:57:04 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm going to lay it out on the line and say, again to reiterate THIS IS MY VIEW ON WHY THIS DOESN'T GET THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES, people are worried that any government seen as "the white majority" is afraid that they will be seen as racist by saying that something should be done. I'm not saying they don't want to help, but if a white person in America were to say anything there is a very small, vary vocal group of people who will cry racist.


WOW AGAIN, read this- evidently we don't have to worry about ISIS joining Boko Haram

NBC News- Will RACISM keep ISIS from joining Boka Haram?

Quote from the link above:

"The Arab world is incredibly racist," explained a U.S. intelligence official. "They don't see black Africans as equivalent to them."

It just keeps getting more and more real every day.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 10:04:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm not even 30 yet.... But it still amazes me how fubared this world has gotten. Personally, I'd sign back up to fight people doing that, but there isn't enough outrage in America to get us into that fight.



I am not sure that last part is exactly correct, from where I sit. I mean, personally, I agree but let me explain:

As someone who has spilled some of their own blood for this country and who has sacrificed a son for it, there is little, anymore, that I deem to be worth the loss of our innocents.

Full disclosure: I have been, essentially, an isolationist for a long time.

All of that said; if I thought, for a millisecond, that we would go in with a strategy to actually win; none of this "peace keeping" bullshit ... If we were going in to win, and I thought that our actions would really effect change, I would probably be behind it.



Michael




Marini -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/19/2015 10:07:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm not even 30 yet.... But it still amazes me how fubared this world has gotten. Personally, I'd sign back up to fight people doing that, but there isn't enough outrage in America to get us into that fight.



I am not sure that last part is exactly correct, from where I sit. I mean, personally, I agree but let me explain:

As someone who has spilled some of their own blood for this country and who has sacrificed a son for it, there is little, anymore, that I deem to be worth the loss of our innocents.

Full disclosure: I have been, essentially, an isolationist for a long time.

All of that said; if I thought, for a millisecond, that we would go in with a strategy to actually win; none of this "peace keeping" bullshit ... If we were going in to win, and I thought that our actions would really effect change, I would probably be behind it.
Michael



There is NO need in getting involved, unless we are going to win.
If that is not the case, we need to stay out of it.
It is actually a good thing, we are not involved at this point.
................................................................................................
The day is going to come.




bounty44 -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 4:37:03 AM)

I think its a good question...

my first thought, and its pretty basic, maybe almost simplistic, is that the middle east always seems to get more news and attention in america than does Africa...and this is just another instance of that.

it could be in this case too that ISIS seems more connected to "global" while boko haram feels very local.




Aylee -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 6:22:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I don't read every single thread on here.
But I don't recall seeing any recent threads on Boko Haram.

*Last I checked they are STILL committing atrocities, and marching on.

With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?

CNN- March for Paris, but don't forget Boko Haram

How many people have Boko Haram killed so far?

New York Post-- Boko Haram death toll

From what I have read, they have killed as many people as ISIS---so far, we all know these figures will rise.

Between November 2013 and November 2014, at least 10,340 violent deaths related to Boko Haram-related violence were reported, according to data compiled by the Council for Foreign Relations.

According to the United Nations figures, 10,733 civilians were violently killed by ISIS in Iraq in the same period.

This article in BBC- is from 2/17/2015-- 3 days ago

BBC--Nigeria Attacks kill dozens as Boko Haram releases video
Wow

Here are a few little "facts" for those, who have NO idea who the "boko haram" are:
BBC- Who is the Boko Haram

I have heard a lot of "crickets' since the Bring Back our Girls Campaign last year.


I actually did bring up Boko Haram during the Ferguson and NYC stuff.

But I will explain why nothing will be done:

You are aware that they were deliberately left off the terrorists list by the Clinton State Department, right? Did not make the list until Hillary left office. Even though they were killing Christians and Jews in the name of Allah. (Apparently Allah Akbar means "no Islam to see here.")

Boko Haram is Sunni.

They are also black. Ya see, black people cannot be evil dudes in need of a Dresden style bombing. Only white dudes can be that way. Otherwise, racism.

Smart Diplomacy. If we just keep appeasing the Muslims and do nothing to upset them and attack anyone who speaks against them, then maybe they will stop.

After all, maybe we can get Jen Psaki or somebody to lecture them about the spirit of the hashtag?

Elections. Buhari is favored because he is seen as being able to crush Boko Haram. The three states with the most violence are pro-Buhari and are under to no-representation in the election.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 6:32:21 AM)


I think the element of perceived racism is a good call (and I realize that Aylee and useme* both brought it up).

This country has been put in a weird position; the world frequently turns to us for help (even if it's only to deride us for not helping; very passive-aggressive, that) and then, bitches about the manner in which or speed with which we provide that help.

As a result, we're seen (by some) as bullies and imperialists (and I don't think those arguments are completely without merit).

I tend to agree that if America, a land of gun-totin' hateful, racist, white people decided to go to any country where non-whites are the majority, the moaning and gnashing of teeth would create a cacophony so loud that any message our action is intended to send would be drowned out.

The trouble is: we're damned, if we do and damned, if we don't in almost every instance. Lose/lose situation.



Michael




BamaD -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/20/2015 6:59:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: usememistress775

I'm not even 30 yet.... But it still amazes me how fubared this world has gotten. Personally, I'd sign back up to fight people doing that, but there isn't enough outrage in America to get us into that fight.



I am not sure that last part is exactly correct, from where I sit. I mean, personally, I agree but let me explain:

As someone who has spilled some of their own blood for this country and who has sacrificed a son for it, there is little, anymore, that I deem to be worth the loss of our innocents.

Full disclosure: I have been, essentially, an isolationist for a long time.

All of that said; if I thought, for a millisecond, that we would go in with a strategy to actually win; none of this "peace keeping" bullshit ... If we were going in to win, and I thought that our actions would really effect change, I would probably be behind it.



Michael


Any war should be fought as if the nation was fighting for it's life, because the people we send there most assuredly are.




Zonie63 -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 7:01:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?


Most violence in the world tends to go underreported, for the most part. However, it is a fair question to ask why some factions/governments which commit acts of violence should get more coverage and attention from the West than others.

Of course, it's always been a source of fascination for me in considering that there are so many media companies in America who are ostensibly competing for viewers and ratings. Yet, based on their coverage, they all seem to agree as to which stories are the "most important" for Americans to know versus those which are not quite so important and can be kept on the back burner and given minimal coverage. Of course, these events still get some coverage, but what's missing is that they may not get discussed much on the talk show circuit nor does it get much commentary beyond just a recitation of the basic facts.

Religious violence has been going on in Nigeria since before they became independent, in addition to insurrections and military coups every few years, not to mention government corruption and atrocity. Whatever we're seeing in Nigeria or in the Middle East in relation to ISIS, the seeds for these conflicts were planted decades ago when the media and government were paying attention to things they deemed "more important" at the time.

As for the public, I've noticed that a lot of people really don't care all that much about world events. The news media seem to pander to the public's incessant thirst for celebrity gossip and other fluff that they don't have enough time to cover these "less important" stories.




Sanity -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 7:03:44 AM)


Poor misunderstood Boko Haram just needs a pat on the head and a jobs program, just like ISIS does






BamaD -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 7:05:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?


Most violence in the world tends to go underreported, for the most part. However, it is a fair question to ask why some factions/governments which commit acts of violence should get more coverage and attention from the West than others.

Of course, it's always been a source of fascination for me in considering that there are so many media companies in America who are ostensibly competing for viewers and ratings. Yet, based on their coverage, they all seem to agree as to which stories are the "most important" for Americans to know versus those which are not quite so important and can be kept on the back burner and given minimal coverage. Of course, these events still get some coverage, but what's missing is that they may not get discussed much on the talk show circuit nor does it get much commentary beyond just a recitation of the basic facts.

Religious violence has been going on in Nigeria since before they became independent, in addition to insurrections and military coups every few years, not to mention government corruption and atrocity. Whatever we're seeing in Nigeria or in the Middle East in relation to ISIS, the seeds for these conflicts were planted decades ago when the media and government were paying attention to things they deemed "more important" at the time.

As for the public, I've noticed that a lot of people really don't care all that much about world events. The news media seem to pander to the public's incessant thirst for celebrity gossip and other fluff that they don't have enough time to cover these "less important" stories.


Sad but true.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Harem violence (2/20/2015 7:45:24 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

Any war should be fought as if the nation was fighting for it's life, because the people we send there most assuredly are.



... and all the people that agree with that statement say: AMEN!



Michael




tweakabelle -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 8:27:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?


Most violence in the world tends to go underreported, for the most part. However, it is a fair question to ask why some factions/governments which commit acts of violence should get more coverage and attention from the West than others.

Of course, it's always been a source of fascination for me in considering that there are so many media companies in America who are ostensibly competing for viewers and ratings. Yet, based on their coverage, they all seem to agree as to which stories are the "most important" for Americans to know versus those which are not quite so important and can be kept on the back burner and given minimal coverage. Of course, these events still get some coverage, but what's missing is that they may not get discussed much on the talk show circuit nor does it get much commentary beyond just a recitation of the basic facts.

Religious violence has been going on in Nigeria since before they became independent, in addition to insurrections and military coups every few years, not to mention government corruption and atrocity. Whatever we're seeing in Nigeria or in the Middle East in relation to ISIS, the seeds for these conflicts were planted decades ago when the media and government were paying attention to things they deemed "more important" at the time.

As for the public, I've noticed that a lot of people really don't care all that much about world events. The news media seem to pander to the public's incessant thirst for celebrity gossip and other fluff that they don't have enough time to cover these "less important" stories.


Of course, when some incidents of violence actually make the airwaves in the West, everyone shakes their head in horror at the mindless violence caused by some (usually unpronounceable, always alien) death cult or other. Most people have no idea why the violence is happening or what a viable solution might look like. So they support insane interventions such as Iraq which are bound to end in disaster.

Anyone thinking about interventions in Nigeria ought to be aware that the country is half jungle and the other half is desert; that it is notoriously corrupt; that it is a sovereign state and therefore any foreign interventions can only occur with the consent of the Nigerian Govt; that the country is huge and consequently hundreds of thousands of troops will be required for success; and that the 'enemy' are locals who know how to fight guerrilla wars in the conditions. Not a promising prospect no matter how much of an armchair general you are.

If people are genuinely concerned about events in Nigeria I suggest they do a little research into the place before they lend support to any 'solution' imposed from the West on the basis of a few sensational news reports. That's not as sexy as howls of self righteous outrage but in the end, it is far more productive.




Aylee -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 9:12:03 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?


Most violence in the world tends to go underreported, for the most part. However, it is a fair question to ask why some factions/governments which commit acts of violence should get more coverage and attention from the West than others.

Of course, it's always been a source of fascination for me in considering that there are so many media companies in America who are ostensibly competing for viewers and ratings. Yet, based on their coverage, they all seem to agree as to which stories are the "most important" for Americans to know versus those which are not quite so important and can be kept on the back burner and given minimal coverage. Of course, these events still get some coverage, but what's missing is that they may not get discussed much on the talk show circuit nor does it get much commentary beyond just a recitation of the basic facts.

Religious violence has been going on in Nigeria since before they became independent, in addition to insurrections and military coups every few years, not to mention government corruption and atrocity. Whatever we're seeing in Nigeria or in the Middle East in relation to ISIS, the seeds for these conflicts were planted decades ago when the media and government were paying attention to things they deemed "more important" at the time.

As for the public, I've noticed that a lot of people really don't care all that much about world events. The news media seem to pander to the public's incessant thirst for celebrity gossip and other fluff that they don't have enough time to cover these "less important" stories.



Nigeria had been doing better and better, and still is, before the Boko Haram.

Corruption and vote rigging? Yes, well, that is pretty much par for the course in a government, republic or not.




Aylee -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 9:42:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Zonie63


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
With all the horrific violenence that is devastating THOUSANDS of people, and crimes that go beyond horrific, why isn't there more front and center coverage?


Most violence in the world tends to go underreported, for the most part. However, it is a fair question to ask why some factions/governments which commit acts of violence should get more coverage and attention from the West than others.

Of course, it's always been a source of fascination for me in considering that there are so many media companies in America who are ostensibly competing for viewers and ratings. Yet, based on their coverage, they all seem to agree as to which stories are the "most important" for Americans to know versus those which are not quite so important and can be kept on the back burner and given minimal coverage. Of course, these events still get some coverage, but what's missing is that they may not get discussed much on the talk show circuit nor does it get much commentary beyond just a recitation of the basic facts.

Religious violence has been going on in Nigeria since before they became independent, in addition to insurrections and military coups every few years, not to mention government corruption and atrocity. Whatever we're seeing in Nigeria or in the Middle East in relation to ISIS, the seeds for these conflicts were planted decades ago when the media and government were paying attention to things they deemed "more important" at the time.

As for the public, I've noticed that a lot of people really don't care all that much about world events. The news media seem to pander to the public's incessant thirst for celebrity gossip and other fluff that they don't have enough time to cover these "less important" stories.


Of course, when some incidents of violence actually make the airwaves in the West, everyone shakes their head in horror at the mindless violence caused by some (usually unpronounceable, always alien) death cult or other. Most people have no idea why the violence is happening or what a viable solution might look like. So they support insane interventions such as Iraq which are bound to end in disaster.

Anyone thinking about interventions in Nigeria ought to be aware that the country is half jungle and the other half is desert; that it is notoriously corrupt; that it is a sovereign state and therefore any foreign interventions can only occur with the consent of the Nigerian Govt; that the country is huge and consequently hundreds of thousands of troops will be required for success; and that the 'enemy' are locals who know how to fight guerrilla wars in the conditions. Not a promising prospect no matter how much of an armchair general you are.

If people are genuinely concerned about events in Nigeria I suggest they do a little research into the place before they lend support to any 'solution' imposed from the West on the basis of a few sensational news reports. That's not as sexy as howls of self righteous outrage but in the end, it is far more productive.


How do you bear up under your white man's burden?




kdsub -> RE: Nigeria's Boko Haram violence (2/20/2015 10:06:15 AM)

Why is it that a very small... you know the few of billions of Muslim moderates...terrorists can run rampart in multiple countries? Because they are not the FEW. They do not want us there and I do not want us there... Either Muslims unite to defeat the radicals among them or they suffer the consequences. I do not care... they are not worth ONE American life. People have to stand up for themselves or there will never be peace of stability in the area.

Butch




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