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Lucylastic -> Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 9:09:07 AM)

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/232850-republicans-we-will-get-blamed-for-dhs-shutdown



Republicans are getting pummeled in the messaging wars amid an escalating standoff over Homeland Security funding.

In interviews with The Hill, centrist Republicans are conceding that their party — not the Democrats — will be blamed if the critical agency shuts down at the end of the month.

If that were to happen, it would echo the Ted Cruz-led government shutdown of 2013 and the Newt Gingrich-led shutdowns of the 1990s, all of which turned public opinion against the GOP.

House and Senate Republicans are openly divided over a strategy to fund DHS, a fissure that has produced a round of intraparty fingerpointing at a time when GOP leaders are trying to prove they can govern.

The shutdown threat also comes during a period of heightened security concerns. Recent weeks have been dominated by headlines about killings and terrorist attacks by Islamic State extremists, including one Friday at an Iraqi base where U.S. Marines were training.

Meanwhile, Democrats are presenting a united front, calling for a so-called “clean” DHS funding bill free of any controversial GOP riders targeting President Obama’s executive immigration actions.

“More likely Republicans will be blamed. We control the House and the Senate,” former Homeland Security Chairman Peter King (R-N.Y.) told The Hill on Friday. Americans “know that we caused the last government shutdown, so we have the lasting specter of Ted Cruz hanging over us,” he added.

“Especially in New York, you’re reading about ISIS, about Paris, reading about beheadings and people burned to death, and our response is to shut down Homeland Security?” asked King, who lost more than 100 constituents in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Other Republicans have fresh memories of how the GOP’s popularity plunged in the fall of 2013 after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) rallied conservatives to shut down the federal government for 16 days in a failed bid to defund Obamacare.

“Everytime the Republicans think our strategy is gonna work out politically and the president will be seen as the one who has stopped the workings of government, it has not worked that well for us and we have been the ones to blame,” Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) said. “So I’m optimistic in these coming days that we can find a way forward.”

Democrats are relishing the GOP infighting. Leadership aides this week unleashed a barrage of emails and tweets highlighting inconsistent statements from Republicans.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who normally walks around the Capitol with his cell phone to his ear to avoid reporters, was eager to offer his analysis of the funding fight.

“They’ve dug this hole, they’re deep in the hole, they’re busy pointing fingers at each other and they will have to get out of it,” said Schumer, who leads Senate Democrats’ messaging operation.

The sprawling Department of Homeland Security (DHS) will partially shut down and stop paying thousands of employees on Feb. 28 unless Congress agrees on a way to fund it.

For now, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is standing firm, insisting that the House already passed a DHS funding bill and won’t entertain any other options. But because that House measure also seeks to roll back Obama’s new immigration policies, it hasn’t been able to muster the 60 votes needed to pass the Senate.

GOP leaders seem to have finally settled on a messaging strategy: Blame Senate Democrats, who voted three times to filibuster the House bill. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will try to underscore Democrats’ obstruction when he brings the bill to a vote for a fourth time after lawmakers return from next week’s recess.

“The House has acted. We’ve done our job,” Boehner said in an interview set to air on “Fox News Sunday.” “Senate Democrats are the ones putting us in this precarious position. And it’s up to Senate Democrats to get their act together.”

But that strategy has been undermined by fellow Republicans who already appear to be folding their cards: They’ve joined Democrats in calling on Congress to pass a clean DHS bill.

“Ultimately, we are going to be voting on a clean or cleaner DHS appropriations bill,” Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), who is close to Boehner, told The Hill. “And if we don’t get that opportunity, then we’ll vote on a [continuing resolution], which in my view is certainly less desirable than a DHS appropriations bill, though it’s clearly better than a shutdown.”






Lucylastic -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 9:31:13 AM)

Another prediction?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stancollender/2015/02/17/gop-congress-on-the-verge-of-a-meltdown/
GOP Congress On The Verge Of A Meltdown
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The coming political breakdown between the immoveable Republican House and the irresistible GOP Senate on funding for the Department of Homeland Security was both entirely predictable and predicted.

In fact, two weeks after the election this past November I predicted it in this post. I said, “…the sides have already been drawn and the battle – no, the war – among congressional Republicans on the federal budget is well underway.”

The Republican vs. Republican budget war is now wide open for all to see. The House’s intransigence on this particular issue — it insists that the DHS appropriation include language that somehow reverses President Obama’s executive orders on immigration -– is being matched by the Senate’s unwillingness to take the steps needed either to match what the House wants or develop its own alternative.

And, as I also predicted, the unwillingness of Senate Democrats to provide any votes for their GOP colleagues even on issues where there is some agreement has backed Republicans so far into a political corner that it’s not at all clear how they will fight their way out.

This is not an aberration over the very hot button immigration issue: No matter how this showdown ends, it’s virtually certain to be repeated over and over and over again this year on everything budget-related.

The current budget stalemate and those to come were inevitable the day after Election Day. Even though the House and Senate both have Republican majorities and are controlled by the same political party, the GOP representatives and senators have very different constituencies and, therefore, vastly dissimilar political needs.


Because the 2012 redistricting created more reliably one-party congressional districts, House Republicans are more concerned about intra-GOP fights in primaries than general elections and the voters in those races tend to be extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Obama and conservative. They are also far more willing to support militant tactics like shutdowns.


By comparison, reelection for many Senate Republicans depends on them appealing to a much broader and more moderate (even if it’s only just relative) statewide base that is not as comfortable with confrontational politics. Add to that the fact that 24 of the 34 senators up for reelection in 2016 will be Republicans and that many of them are from states that Obama won and you start to understand the substantially different political needs between the two GOP-controlled houses of Congress.

That makes it anything but surprising that on many or even most issues what the GOP House demands won’t be acceptable to the Republican Senate and what the Republican Senate needs will be completely intolerable to the GOP House.

The Republican vs. Republican warfare truly broke out into the open last week with everyone from Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) saying it was time for the Senate to grow a pair and act on the DHS appropriation the way the House wants.

In a break from traditional congressional gentility, Boehner said it was time for the Senate Democrats “to get off their ass,” although it was clear that he was referring at least as much to the Republicans. (Remember: Boehner’s caucus has a much more combative constituency.)

And in a departure from the typical public display of GOP party unity, Labrador, who is far more militant than Boehner, said the Senate might as well be under Democratic control given the Republican majority’s inability or unwillingness to do what the House GOP wanted.

This open GOP warfare not only will continue but likely will get worse on everything left to be done on spending and revenues this year which, with the exception of the remaining DHS appropriation, is the entire congressional budget process.

If House Republicans prevail in the DHS bill, Senate Republicans are going to need concessions on the bigger budget fights to come that the House won’t be willing to provide. If the Senate wins on DHS, House Republicans will increase their demands and intransigence even further on the fiscal 2016 budget resolution that is supposed to be adopted by April 15. That may well kill any chance of its being adopted and, therefore, of reconciliation being available for changes in taxes, spending or Obamacare.

In the meantime, overall GOP anger will likely grow over what now seems to be an inevitable series of Obama vetoes. As I said in November, that will increase the demands from the House for more extreme tactics like government shutdowns and a refusal to deal with the debt ceiling increase that will be needed later this year. That will put pressure on the Republican senators up for reelection to go along or face a primary challenge from the same anti-Democrat, anti-Obama, conservative and militant wing of the party that is so evident in the House.

And that will make the political meltdown and open warfare between the Republican House and the GOP Senate complete.




slvemike4u -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 9:59:06 AM)

The correction will come in 2016....no worries .




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 11:54:42 AM)

And we can safely presume this is only the beginning, as one commentator in Lucy's post said:

"This is not an aberration over the very hot button immigration issue: No matter how this showdown ends, it’s virtually certain to be repeated over and over and over again this year on everything budget-related."

The sad truth is, this country is incapable of self-government.

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MrRodgers -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 3:48:11 PM)

Sorry...didn't see this.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 7:20:26 PM)

Boehner and the House have passed a Bill to fund the DHS, but overturn Obama's immigration orders.

The Senate doesn't have the 60 votes to send the bill to a vote without the Democrats being able to filibuster. Personally, I think McConnell should bring the bill up for a vote and let the Democrats filibuster it.

Granted, the GOP will still be blamed for not passing a bill that the Democrats would vote for, and, therefore, shutting down the DHS.

But, if it did come to a vote and, somehow, garner enough votes to pass, President Obama has already threatened to veto it. Thus, the GOP will be blamed for shutting down the DHS because they didn't pass a bill the President would sign, even though they had gotten some Democrats to support it (to pass the Senate, there would have to be Democrat support).

The GOP House was blamed for the lack of legislation passed by the previous Congress because they didn't pass legislation to the Senate that the Democrats would support. The Democrats lack of support in the Senate for anything passed by the House had nothing to do with why that Congress didn't pass legislation to the President. If the Senate passed a bill and the House wouldn't pass it, the GOP was blamed for not passing the legislation, but the Democrat Senate wasn't blamed for not passing legislation that the GOP in the House would support.

The very first line you quoted is exactly right (emphasis mine):

"Republicans are getting pummeled in the messaging wars amid an escalating standoff over Homeland Security funding."




Aylee -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 7:22:19 PM)

So when GOP holds up things in Dem-run Senate, GOP is to blame. When Dems hold things up in GOP-run Senate, GOP is to blame. I see a pattern here.




slvemike4u -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 7:25:48 PM)

Do you.....do you really see a pattern,or is that just the reflection off that damm pool [:@]




DesideriScuri -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 8:11:53 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
Do you.....do you really see a pattern,or is that just the reflection off that damm pool [:@]


Nope. It's a pattern.




slvemike4u -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/17/2015 8:36:22 PM)

Okay,but you gotta admit those pools are dangerous [:D]




joether -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/18/2015 7:31:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Boehner and the House have passed a Bill to fund the DHS, but overturn Obama's immigration orders.

The Senate doesn't have the 60 votes to send the bill to a vote without the Democrats being able to filibuster. Personally, I think McConnell should bring the bill up for a vote and let the Democrats filibuster it.

Granted, the GOP will still be blamed for not passing a bill that the Democrats would vote for, and, therefore, shutting down the DHS.

But, if it did come to a vote and, somehow, garner enough votes to pass, President Obama has already threatened to veto it. Thus, the GOP will be blamed for shutting down the DHS because they didn't pass a bill the President would sign, even though they had gotten some Democrats to support it (to pass the Senate, there would have to be Democrat support).

The GOP House was blamed for the lack of legislation passed by the previous Congress because they didn't pass legislation to the Senate that the Democrats would support. The Democrats lack of support in the Senate for anything passed by the House had nothing to do with why that Congress didn't pass legislation to the President. If the Senate passed a bill and the House wouldn't pass it, the GOP was blamed for not passing the legislation, but the Democrat Senate wasn't blamed for not passing legislation that the GOP in the House would support.

The very first line you quoted is exactly right (emphasis mine):

"Republicans are getting pummeled in the messaging wars amid an escalating standoff over Homeland Security funding."


Its really a crazy and sad set of circumstances the Republican/Tea Party finds itself in. By their own silly and deluded ideology, they cant consider a compromise. Rather than find common ground, give the President the stuff on immigration, and have a 'IOU' from the President and Democrats out in the open (say, for tighter border security?). They foolishly push the matter into a stalemate in which no one really comes out looking good. Not the Republican/Tea Party, not the Democrats, and certainly note the US Citizens!

So they'll (The Republican/Tea Party) will spend a huge amount of resources on this bullshit that goes no where, point fingers and roll us into the 2016 general elections with problems unsolved. Shouldn't we try to solve the 2015 problems in 2015, and not 2016?




Lucylastic -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/18/2015 7:40:20 AM)

They just want another shutdown, one they can "blame" the dems, this time its the DHS, while they are a multitude of sins in themselves, if there is another terror plot succeeding in the near future they are going to look fucking stupid, well a lot more stupid than they do now. Dead bodies because of department shut down will hurt every single one of them
Fucking politicos
scummy shit, all of them.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/18/2015 2:17:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Its really a crazy and sad set of circumstances the Republican/Tea Party finds itself in. By their own silly and deluded ideology, they cant consider a compromise. Rather than find common ground, give the President the stuff on immigration, and have a 'IOU' from the President and Democrats out in the open (say, for tighter border security?). They foolishly push the matter into a stalemate in which no one really comes out looking good. Not the Republican/Tea Party, not the Democrats, and certainly note the US Citizens!
So they'll (The Republican/Tea Party) will spend a huge amount of resources on this bullshit that goes no where, point fingers and roll us into the 2016 general elections with problems unsolved. Shouldn't we try to solve the 2015 problems in 2015, and not 2016?


See what I mean? Everything will be blamed on the GOP. Period. Thanks for making my point, Joether.




mnottertail -> RE: Repubs....We will get blamed for DHS shutdown..oops (2/19/2015 9:25:08 AM)

As it should be, remember the clean bills promise? Remember the jobs promise? remember the promises of these fucking idiots? All broken, none come to pass, not even a litte.




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