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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I don't think a separation of powers argument will hold at the Circuit and Supreme Court levels. The fact is the USA does not have the resources and material wherewith all to deport all the non legal status aliens in the country. So, there is a an enforcement issue of who to deport.

Obama has said the emphasis should be on aliens who have committed criminal acts and not on Aliens who have US citizen children an spouses who have lived in the USA for over 5 years.

This is a rational priority under the circumstances.

The bonus of the policy allows those aliens to put in paperwork for a temporary work permit -- this allows these people to come out of the shadows and quit living in fear. They also must pay taxes, etc.

Whole other groups of aliens will be deported in large numbers -- still at great expense to the nation.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Obama has said the emphasis should be on aliens who have committed criminal acts and not on Aliens who have US citizen children and spouses who have lived in the USA for over 5 years.

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ORIGINAL: hot4bondage

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Obama has said the emphasis should be on aliens who have committed criminal acts and not on Aliens who have US citizen children and spouses who have lived in the USA for over 5 years.

That emphasis might be oversimplified. Is someone who manages to stay under the radar for years necessarily a better citizen than someone who gets caught with a joint as soon as they get here?

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Aliens and lawful permanent residents are ineligible for Gov't benefits. This is a right wing fantasy boogie man. There's also nothing about this in the case cited by the OP. Your import is very similar to Sanity's (rabid personal dislike.)

People who leave their countries, leave everything behind, hoping to find a new opportunity --- are the ones who built and made the USA what it is today. Why do you want to shit on that legacy with such a statement?

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Here's another eye popping statistic:

The United States has created an enormous deportation machinery. The budget for border security and immigration enforcement in now $18 Billion dollars a year -- substantially more than the budget for all other federal law-enforcement agencies combined (the F.B.I., the D.E.A., the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshalls, and the A.T.F.).

The machinery exists, it has its political incentives, and because it targets are weak, its accountability is slight, its impunity is great.

--New Yorker P. 28. April 29, 2013

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Aliens and lawful permanent residents are ineligible for Gov't benefits. This is a right wing fantasy boogie man. There's also nothing about this in the case cited by the OP. Your import is very similar to Sanity's (rabid personal dislike.)

People who leave their countries, leave everything behind, hoping to find a new opportunity --- are the ones who built and made the USA what it is today. Why do you want to shit on that legacy with such a statement?

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Here's another eye popping statistic:

The United States has created an enormous deportation machinery. The budget for border security and immigration enforcement in now $18 Billion dollars a year -- substantially more than the budget for all other federal law-enforcement agencies combined (the F.B.I., the D.E.A., the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshalls, and the A.T.F.).

The machinery exists, it has its political incentives, and because it targets are weak, its accountability is slight, its impunity is great.

--New Yorker P. 28. April 29, 2013

Those people that built this country? They were legal immigrants for the most part UNLIKE this new group.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Aliens and lawful permanent residents are ineligible for Gov't benefits. This is a right wing fantasy boogie man. There's also nothing about this in the case cited by the OP. Your import is very similar to Sanity's (rabid personal dislike.)

People who leave their countries, leave everything behind, hoping to find a new opportunity --- are the ones who built and made the USA what it is today. Why do you want to shit on that legacy with such a statement?

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Here's another eye popping statistic:

The United States has created an enormous deportation machinery. The budget for border security and immigration enforcement in now $18 Billion dollars a year -- substantially more than the budget for all other federal law-enforcement agencies combined (the F.B.I., the D.E.A., the Secret Service, the U.S. Marshalls, and the A.T.F.).

The machinery exists, it has its political incentives, and because it targets are weak, its accountability is slight, its impunity is great.

--New Yorker P. 28. April 29, 2013

Those people that built this country? They were legal immigrants for the most part UNLIKE this new group.

And they wanted to become Americans, not turn us into them.

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If todays laws were in place 50 and 100 years ago, you might not be here either. The people haven't changed, the laws have.

As much as immigration has built and contributed to the USA (this is an undeniable fact), anti-immigration bigotry has been firmly in place for each wave. You are your ilk are both wrong and consistent in this regard.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


If todays laws were in place 50 and 100 years ago, you might not be here either. The people haven't changed, the laws have.

As much as immigration has built and contributed to the USA (this is an undeniable fact), anti-immigration bigotry has been firmly in place for each wave. You are your ilk are both wrong and consistent in this regard.

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A mass migration into the country outside of the laws is properly called an invasion and rather than facilitate invasions, it is the job of the commander-in-chief to challenge and oppose such invasions