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Sanity -> RE: Thread for morons who can't distinguish the topic (11/5/2014 3:54:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Explain that to Clint Eastwood, Ronald Reagon, Dennis Miller, and these 140 other famous conservative actors: http://www.ranker.com/list/actors-republican-actor-and-conservative-actors-list/famous-conservatives I am so fucking impressed that you found that many /sarcasm

Moderator3 -> Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/5/2014 3:57:41 PM)
One of the guidelines for the Dungeon is that members not change the thread title, so I have returned the original. Carry on. [:D] Edit. I guess I didn't. Very unhappy mod here!

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/5/2014 6:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Nah. Everyone loves the guy You keep reminding us how you are still such a devout worshiper yourself You love him so much you affectionately refer to him as Little Bush Or was it Light Bush Hope and Change you can believe in, ten more wars, all that You just keep sucking up that Media Matters swill for your talking points, we are all Media Matters talking points believers and repeaters too ("The masters release the talking points; the parrots go to work repeating them, regardless of applicability or relevance, beginning by closing their ears to any and all other points, reason, and argument"). That last part is autobiographical ,right ?

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/5/2014 6:45:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Nah. Everyone loves the guy You keep reminding us how you are still such a devout worshiper yourself You love him so much you affectionately refer to him as Little Bush Or was it Light Bush Hope and Change you can believe in, ten more wars, all that You just keep sucking up that Media Matters swill for your talking points, we are all Media Matters talking points believers and repeaters too ("The masters release the talking points; the parrots go to work repeating them, regardless of applicability or relevance, beginning by closing their ears to any and all other points, reason, and argument"). That last part is autobiographical ,right ? Yes, very much so. Guess who wrote it...

Edwynn -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/11/2014 7:40:59 PM)
Sorry for the long delay in reply, but the actual approval rating numbers themselves aside, the OP points to only one of several aspects of the overall media phenomena of downplaying anything possibly construed as positive under this administration while zapping a bright light on any misstep. When the president does anything that serves the large-business community and/or meets with their approval (which he has done on numerous occasions), there's not a peep in the NYT or WSJ or even the Washington Post. One would think that the 'liberal media' or any liberals at all would be screaming bloody murder over having the Monsanto GMO lobbyist Michael Taylor in the FDA. Or that the 'conservative media' or any conservatives at all would be singing the praises of the president for that same thing. All the above (and likewise absent coverage on either 'good' or 'bad' actual events and consequences as attributable to the president) was/is completely absent in any media coverage at all. The media's total and wholly obsessive fixation is on how much the president pisses off Republicans. Whether it's "objective reporting" or 'liberal blah blah' or 'conservative blah blah,' -that's it. Obama's latest action and its approval/disaproval with the Republicans. That is 90-95% of the news coverage on Obama. That's IT.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/11/2014 10:06:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Disturbing news just gets attached to the President. Flat wages, ebola, ISIS, Putin, the Secret Service, Central American Refugee crisis -- the President is just not in control of any of it and so he's holding the bag. No. But unfortunately for him there are a WHOLE RAFT of things that are solely in his control that he has done which work against him. Not all voters are idiots. Some of us are well educated and we know what he's done and why. I agree that he shouldn't be scapegoated for Republican obstructionism and I agree that ISIS isn't even an issue much less HIS issue. Good lord, his appointees right out of the gate pretty much told the tale. I agree that the Republicans make hay with all manner of utter crap. But there's also a whole raft of REAL crap.

cloudboy -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/11/2014 11:45:15 PM)
I really have not read what he's done wrong or mishandled. What exactly is the list? Not schmoozing with Congress? Not improving the economy? Well, he held fast on the debt ceiling -- so the US did not default. He stood up to the shutdown, discrediting the tea party. He has not overreacted in Foreign Policy. So, what's the list of misdeeds? AM Radio and Fox News is filled with the stuff I mentioned -- and the stuff I mentioned has Americans "upset" and the blow back of that lands on the President. You seem to think the approval rating is rational or policy based -- which it is not. Take a look at this and note the GOP's "long term plan." Today's voter suffer from amnesia..... http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/the-strip.html?_r=0#1

CreativeDominant -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 7:10:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I really have not read what he's done wrong or mishandled. What exactly is the list? Not schmoozing with Congress? Not improving the economy? Well, he held fast on the debt ceiling -- so the US did not default. He stood up to the shutdown, discrediting the tea party. He has not overreacted in Foreign Policy. So, what's the list of misdeeds? AM Radio and Fox News is filled with the stuff I mentioned -- and the stuff I mentioned has Americans "upset" and the blow back of that lands on the President. You seem to think the approval rating is rational or policy based -- which it is not. Take a look at this and note the GOP's "long term plan." Today's voter suffer from amnesia..... http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2012/07/08/opinion/sunday/the-strip.html?_r=0#1 I can't believe you use a political cartoon as "actual proof" of anything. But, since that seems to work for you... https://www.google.com/search?q=political+cartoons+about+Obamas+misdeeds&client=ms-android-verizon&espv=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&sboxchip=Images&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bHVjVJPpJ4bYPMf8gYgF&ved=0CCoQ7Ak&biw=360&bih=511#facrc=_&imgrc=OLo4ispZ3QwWZM%253A%3BH-BJ69mLb8rhSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.conservative-cafe.com%252Fimages%252Fproducts%252Fdetail%252FIDSPOEA0809ObamasAgendaAnyBetterWeb.2.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.conservative-cafe.com%252Fpoliticalt-shirtobamassocialistagendaanybetterlookingyetfeaturingacartoonbyericallie.aspx%3B800%3B613 http://ponderingprinciples.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Executive-Order.jpg http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/GM090814CLR-Dr.Obama20090814011539.jpg http://ponderingprinciples.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Buck-Stops-Here.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Gw-NrxS7fpE/TbybcyCqgGI/AAAAAAAALw0/tl-xUm-qzG4/s1600/6-8-09%2B5.jpg http://ponderingprinciples.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Being-Rude.jpg

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 7:45:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant I can't believe you use a political cartoon as "actual proof" of anything. But, since that seems to work for you... In the same post, he denigrates people who get their news and information from FOX News or the radio... [:D] If you come here for nothing else, come here for the entertainment

cloudboy -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 7:46:49 AM)
Wasn't really speaking to you -- and your post is kind of insane and unresponsive. I asked Jeff a straight up question: (1) Jeff said, "But unfortunately for him there are a WHOLE RAFT of things that are solely in his control that he has done which work against him." I asked, what are those "WHOLE RAFT of things." (2) Jeff tends to act like he hates Republicans and Democrats equally -- as if there are no differences between them. Well, that's just straight up nihilism, ergo: I pointed out that: Republicans slash taxes and regulations -- ruin economy -- Democrats fix economy (Obama-Clinton) --- Republicans obstruct -- Republicans win elections (GWB/Midterms) -- slash taxes and regulations..... (think Kansas) and......

CreativeDominant -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 7:54:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy Wasn't really speaking to you -- and your post is kind of insane and unresponsive. I asked Jeff a straight up question: (1) Jeff said, "But unfortunately for him there are a WHOLE RAFT of things that are solely in his control that he has done which work against him." I asked, what are those "WHOLE RAFT of things." (2) Jeff tends to act like he hates Republicans and Democrats equally -- as if there are no differences between them. Well, that's just straight up nihilism, ergo: I pointed out that: Republicans slash taxes and regulations -- ruin economy -- Democrats fix economy (Obama-Clinton) --- Republicans obstruct -- Republicans win elections (GWB/Midterms) -- slash taxes and regulations..... (think Kansas) and...... you pointed those out with a CARTOON and treated it as if it was indisputable fact. Hence, my reply was only following along your path.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 10:37:10 AM)
Oh dear lord. You're asking me to catalog the lies and misdeed of Obama? That'd be a book not a post. Here's a few choice ones. A) When he took office rather than going after wall street he appointed them to regulate themselves. B) He appointed the cable industry to regulate themselves -- and gave control of the flow of information on the internet to corporations. C) He wants to prosecute Snowden rather than pardon him D) THE MOST INTENSIVE DOMESTIC SURVEILLANCE PROGRAM IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND -- which he actively aided and abetted and lied about. E) The ongoing militarization of the police force (note, may not be his fault, perhaps congress on this one? but still, what's he said about it) F) His support of secret courts with secret rulings. Just take a look at those last three and it'd make you cringe. Add up domestic surveillance, militarized police force, and secret courts. Toss in corporate control of the internet and you telll me what you're looking at. In and of themselves I'd be willing to toss him in prison for treason for those things. Sadly the supreme court -- a very conservative supreme court -- agrees with him. That also ought to make you wonder. You might also ponder how that exact apparatus was used to crush occupy -- coupled with corporate control of the MSM. We could also talk about his rather fascinating interpretation of "due process". That is to say, secret proceedings held by secret courts investigated by secret police which issue secret rulings IS due process, it's just a different due process than the normal one. No joke. That is Obama's interpretation. Treat yourself to some fun one day and look up what happened with the 2012 NDAA. This is your guy. And honestly I've stopped digging on him any more because I've got enough to want him in prison already. I have zero doubt that if I was motivated to continue digging I'd continue to turn up this crap indefinitely.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 10:54:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy (2) Jeff tends to act like he hates Republicans and Democrats equally -- as if there are no differences between them. Well, that's just straight up nihilism, ergo: For starters, Jeff doesn't "act" like he hates Republicans and Democrats equally. Nor do I. I think the Republicans are slightly worse on significant issues and aesthetically the social platform of the Democrats (other than the whole enslavement thing) appeals to me more than the Republican society. In other words, I approve of women's rights, gay rights, etc. What Jeff Thinks is probably best left to Jeff to describe. What I think is that both parties are support a Corporatist police state. So I see little differentiation in them given that as a backdrop. The best analogy I heard was: Here's two glasses of water, one with 90% ebola and the other with 70% ebola. The 70% one isn't really better. They both kill you. In that same way I see the Democratic party as "better" but it's a meaningless improvement. So instead of voting for one of the two parties that wants to end freedom and democracy, I vote for a third party who cannot win. BTW: The "nihilism" thing is an old and tired meme. You should try to get something more up-to-date and preferably something with a bit of accuracy to it.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 10:57:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I think the Republicans are slightly worse on significant issues and aesthetically the social platform of the Democrats (other than the whole enslavement thing) appeals to me more than the Republican society. In other words, I approve of women's rights, gay rights, etc. What I think is that both parties are support a Corporatist police state. I think that used to be the case. Republicans have moved to creating an outright Oligarchy -- Romney/Ryan weren't even coy about it. Nor is the Citizens United ruling.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 11:17:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery I think that used to be the case. Republicans have moved to creating an outright Oligarchy -- Romney/Ryan weren't even coy about it. Nor is the Citizens United ruling. Well, that would be the nature of my word "slightly". As you correctly say, the Republicans aren't even coy about it. The Democrats are so there is that. Of course, that makes the Democratic party liars and hypocrites with Obama the "Liar in Chief" just as the Republicans claim but in the end, it's all the same hell hole. Of course we all like to be armchair pundits and read our own personal tea leaves to determine "the will of the electorate" when it comes to an election but I think the hypocrisy is why we saw this Republican wave. I'd rather vote for a wolf in wolf's clothing than a sheep in wolf's clothing. Given the stakes, I prefer to vote for neither. Nor is my plan "nihilism" as Cloudboy seems to suggest. Rather, I have and am formulating a plan both personal and public. On the personal front, fleeing the nation was an excellent first step. On the public front the only answer is to create a populist 3rd party and you gotta admit that's a daunting task. It is a challenge that has stymied everyone who's attempted it so far. Another possibility is reclaiming the Democratic party from the Fascists and at least that HAS been done in the past. Neither is trivial. Neither will unfold by 2016. No plan can hope to succeed as long as the Democratic base remains so woefully ill-informed about the doings of their own party. Basically, as long as the people lap at the fearmongering trough then they are owned by the parties. So far there appears to be little hope of that changing.

cloudboy -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 11:41:46 AM)
None of that is why the American Public is upset with Obama. That is why you are upset with him -- a different subject altogether. At least you can state valid reasons for your upsetment -- but many Obama detractors don't have valid/rational reasons that could withstand any kind of informed cross examination.

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 12:08:50 PM)
Fair enough, but I wasn't trying to defend the public's view on Obama. You made some rather airy dismissals of MY viewpoint and it was MY viewpoint that I was defending. Your assessment of how bad the Democrats are is yours to make. If you agree that they have supported everything I have listed (and lied about it) yet you see them as good then that's a perfectly valid and fact-based viewpoint for you to hold. Two people can look at the same facts and come to different conclusions. I take at least some tiny comfort in knowing you're at least dealing with facts although you still seem to be a bit deluded about who's making those outcomes happen. I agree that on social issues the differences are stark. I'm just saying that against a backdrop of fear, poverty, and enslavement it's sort of hard to get worked up about gay rights. We are all being crushed, not just the gays. My viewpoint is simply a "first things first" sort of approach.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 12:18:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC I agree that on social issues the differences are stark. I'm just saying that against a backdrop of fear, poverty, and enslavement it's sort of hard to get worked up about gay rights. We are all being crushed, not just the gays. My viewpoint is simply a "first things first" sort of approach. The gays are being used as a wedge by the Democrats, just as blacks and other minorities and the imaginary C02 bogyman etc are

JeffBC -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 12:35:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity The gays are being used as a wedge by the Democrats, just as blacks and other minorities and the imaginary C02 bogyman etc are Good.. Very good young padawan. Correct insofar as it goes but only 33% because you missed all the other important aspects. I think it's neat that Collarspace has it's own Fox reporter. That saves us all the trouble of actually going to foxnews.com to get our daily dose of obvious propaganda.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's Approval Rating Remains Unchanged This Year, So Why All The Press Coverage About "Sinking"? (11/12/2014 12:46:09 PM)
Hilarious I love the knee jerk "FAUX NUZE!!! GEORGE BUSH!!! KKKARL ROVE" reaction I get, whenever I strike a troll nerve

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