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dcnovice -> RE: Mid-Term Elections (10/11/2014 5:13:25 PM)

From mine:

The notion that Obama has skipped his intelligence briefings was promoted by a right-leaning research group called the Government Accountability Institute, which published a report detailing that the president’s daily calendar shows Obama receiving an in-person briefing on the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) 43.8 percent of his time in office. (The percentage dropped from a high of 48.8 percent in 2010 to 38.2 percent through May of 2012.)

Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter who writes an opinion column for The Washington Post, then drew attention to what he called the “startling new statistics” in the report. His column on the subject is cited as the source in the American Crossroads ad. [Thiessen's column was the link you posted.]

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UPDATE: Marc Thiessen has posted a response to this column, in which he argues that practices before the September 11 attacks should not be considered. It is an interesting, if not very factual argument. (Reagan, for instance, suffered the loss of 241 servicemen in Beirut as a result of a terror act.) We also find it curious that he now discloses the study was done at his request, by his business partner, and that he now describes the Government Accountability Institute as “nonpartisan” whereas in his earlier column he had called it a “conservative investigative research organization.”

Upon reflection, we now realize that the GAI report has a bit of an inconsistency problem. Thiessen had earlier claimed Bush had oral intel briefings six days a week--though no actual schedule is available to confirm that--so at the very least GAI should have subtracted one a day week from Obama’s numbers to make a valid comparison. (The White House schedule does not list briefings on weekends but Peter Schweizer, president of GAI and Thiessen’s business partner, says the study also relied on Politico’s White House calendar, which does list some weekend meetings. Schweizer says the report is “about Obama and his scehdule.”)

We had nearly given this data Four Pinocchios and in retrospect we were perhaps too generous with Three.




subrosaDom -> RE: Mid-Term Elections (10/11/2014 5:21:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


No, it doesn't. From mine:

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I asked National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor about the findings, and whether there were any instances where the president attended the intelligence meeting that were not on his public schedule. Vietor did not dispute the numbers, but said the fact that the president, during a time of war, does not attend his daily intelligence meeting on a daily basis is “not particularly interesting or useful.” He says that the president reads his PDB every day, and he disagreed with the suggestion that there is any difference whatsoever between simply reading the briefing book and having an interactive discussion of its contents with top national security and intelligence officials where the president can probe assumptions and ask questions. “I actually don’t agree at all,” Vietor told me in an e-mail, “The president gets the information he needs from the intelligence community each day.”

Yet Vietor also directed me to a Post story written this year in which Obama officials discuss the importance of the intelligence meeting and extol how brilliantly the president runs it....




Yes. He brilliantly runs them without even attending. Now that is true genius. Hail again to the Savior.

Next up: Peyton Manning leads the Broncos to a victory without ever stepping on the field.




Sanity -> RE: Mid-Term Elections (10/11/2014 6:23:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrosaDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


No, it doesn't. From mine:

quote:



I asked National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor about the findings, and whether there were any instances where the president attended the intelligence meeting that were not on his public schedule. Vietor did not dispute the numbers, but said the fact that the president, during a time of war, does not attend his daily intelligence meeting on a daily basis is “not particularly interesting or useful.” He says that the president reads his PDB every day, and he disagreed with the suggestion that there is any difference whatsoever between simply reading the briefing book and having an interactive discussion of its contents with top national security and intelligence officials where the president can probe assumptions and ask questions. “I actually don’t agree at all,” Vietor told me in an e-mail, “The president gets the information he needs from the intelligence community each day.”

Yet Vietor also directed me to a Post story written this year in which Obama officials discuss the importance of the intelligence meeting and extol how brilliantly the president runs it....




Yes. He brilliantly runs them without even attending. Now that is true genius. Hail again to the Savior.

Next up: Peyton Manning leads the Broncos to a victory without ever stepping on the field.



Probably explains how ISIS snuck up behind him and bit him on the ass

Who, by the way, are threatening to take Baghdad at present




thishereboi -> RE: Mid-Term Elections (10/12/2014 6:40:32 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

I know who is running in my state. And I know the expected turn out for the mid term elections will be low. Its a sad fact that the voting minority will decide who runs the US Government for the next two years. To bad there wasn't a way to check who didn't vote. That way when they open their mouths over....anything...in government (Local, State, and Federal), we can tell 'em to shut up! They had eight hours to vote, and they failed. Don't really have much sympathy unless their excuse really is valid.

Should be fun to watch the Republican/Tea Party do anything and everything to undermine the vote, tell lies, and promise big things everyone knows they cant deliver in a million years! Right here in Massachusetts, the Tea Party has been sending out numerous 'voter cards' that give 'information' about the democrats running for office. And all the 'information' is full of complete lies and propaganda. So much so the state Democrats posted a flyer explaining the evidence with citation that shows the Tea Party is full of shit. If the Tea Party is willing to lie to get into power; how trustworthy will they be with power once they have it?



That is very interesting. Here in Michigan both sides are lying through their teeth. But perhaps they are there also, and you just can't see it on the one side.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Mid-Term Elections (10/12/2014 6:55:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
From mine:

The notion that Obama has skipped his intelligence briefings was promoted by a right-leaning research group called the Government Accountability Institute, which published a report detailing that the president’s daily calendar shows Obama receiving an in-person briefing on the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) 43.8 percent of his time in office. (The percentage dropped from a high of 48.8 percent in 2010 to 38.2 percent through May of 2012.)
Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter who writes an opinion column for The Washington Post, then drew attention to what he called the “startling new statistics” in the report. His column on the subject is cited as the source in the American Crossroads ad. [Thiessen's column was the link you posted.]
* * *
UPDATE: Marc Thiessen has posted a response to this column, in which he argues that practices before the September 11 attacks should not be considered. It is an interesting, if not very factual argument. (Reagan, for instance, suffered the loss of 241 servicemen in Beirut as a result of a terror act.) We also find it curious that he now discloses the study was done at his request, by his business partner, and that he now describes the Government Accountability Institute as “nonpartisan” whereas in his earlier column he had called it a “conservative investigative research organization.”
Upon reflection, we now realize that the GAI report has a bit of an inconsistency problem. Thiessen had earlier claimed Bush had oral intel briefings six days a week--though no actual schedule is available to confirm that--so at the very least GAI should have subtracted one a day week from Obama’s numbers to make a valid comparison. (The White House schedule does not list briefings on weekends but Peter Schweizer, president of GAI and Thiessen’s business partner, says the study also relied on Politico’s White House calendar, which does list some weekend meetings. Schweizer says the report is “about Obama and his scehdule.”)
We had nearly given this data Four Pinocchios and in retrospect we were perhaps too generous with Three.


I'm sure you both realize that these articles are 2 years old now, right?

DC: Obama could be worse than reported by Sanity, in the last 2 years, couldn't he?

Sanity: Obama could be better than reported by DC, in the last 2 years, couldn't he?

Either way, it's much better to argue the current - or more recent - behaviors rather than previous behaviors. It's good to keep the previous behaviors in mind, but more to see change. I smoked for 7 years, but was a former smoker (behavioral change) that first day I quit (and that hasn't changed since). For me to have been considered a smoker for the first 2 years I was a former smoker - from a behavioral standpoint - would have been wrong.




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