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Lucylastic -> Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/6/2014 4:35:12 PM)

Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing

The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) today issued America’s latest jobs report covering August. And it’s a disappointment. The economy created an additional 142,000 jobs last month. After six consecutive months over 200,000, most pundits expected the string to continue, including ADP which just yesterday said 204,000 jobs were created in August.

One month variation does not change a trend

Even though the plus-200,000 monthly string was broken (unless revised upward at a future date,) unemployment did continue to decline and is now reported at only 6.1%. Jobless claims were just over 300,000; lowest since 2007. Despite the lower than expected August jobs number, America will create about 2.5 million new jobs in 2014.

And that is great news.

Back in May, 2013 (15 months ago) the Dow was out of its recession doldrums and hitting new highs. I asked readers if Obama could, economically, be the best modern President? Through discussion of that question, the number one issue raised by readers was whether the stock market was a good economic barometer for judging “best.” Many complained that the measure they were watching was jobs – and that too many people were still looking for work.

To put this week’s jobs report in economic perspective I reached out to Bob Deitrick, CEO of Polaris Financial Partners and author of Bulls, Bears and the Ballot Box (which I profiled in October, 2012 just before the election) for some explanation. Since then Polaris’ investor newsletters have consistently been the best predictor of economic performance. Better than all the major investment houses.

This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history

Unemployment Reagan v Obama
Bob Deitrick: ”President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this ‘Great Recession.’

“As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan.

“President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his sixth year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. So, despite today’s number, the Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration.


more at http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/




subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/6/2014 5:54:21 PM)

Lmfao, yeah all these part time minimum wage October Surprise numbers are twuly bestest news ever!




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/6/2014 6:21:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Lmfao, yeah all these part time minimum wage October Surprise numbers are twuly bestest news ever!




Didnt you say that two years ago before they continued to go down?




MrRodgers -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/6/2014 7:13:23 PM)

Well there has to be something wrong with this. After all...he's a democrat and a Kenyan, Muslim one bent on destroying this country too.

Let me see, taxes at a 60 year low, profits rolling in and several new Dow highs.

Can't be. Simp'n wrong here.




cloudboy -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/6/2014 7:56:58 PM)


Stef blazed this trail a few months back:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4729656/mpage_1/key_obama%252Creagan/tm.htm#4729656




DesideriScuri -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 3:40:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing
The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) today issued America’s latest jobs report covering August. And it’s a disappointment. The economy created an additional 142,000 jobs last month. After six consecutive months over 200,000, most pundits expected the string to continue, including ADP which just yesterday said 204,000 jobs were created in August.
One month variation does not change a trend
Even though the plus-200,000 monthly string was broken (unless revised upward at a future date,) unemployment did continue to decline and is now reported at only 6.1%. Jobless claims were just over 300,000; lowest since 2007. Despite the lower than expected August jobs number, America will create about 2.5 million new jobs in 2014.
And that is great news.
Back in May, 2013 (15 months ago) the Dow was out of its recession doldrums and hitting new highs. I asked readers if Obama could, economically, be the best modern President? Through discussion of that question, the number one issue raised by readers was whether the stock market was a good economic barometer for judging “best.” Many complained that the measure they were watching was jobs – and that too many people were still looking for work.
To put this week’s jobs report in economic perspective I reached out to Bob Deitrick, CEO of Polaris Financial Partners and author of Bulls, Bears and the Ballot Box (which I profiled in October, 2012 just before the election) for some explanation. Since then Polaris’ investor newsletters have consistently been the best predictor of economic performance. Better than all the major investment houses.
This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American history
Unemployment Reagan v Obama
Bob Deitrick: ”President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this ‘Great Recession.’
“As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan.
“President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his sixth year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. So, despite today’s number, the Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration.
more at http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/


Lucy, the problem with using straight up unemployment numbers as the indicator fails to take into account the number of people working. **Ridiculous Hypothetical that isn't meant to reflect reality: If we have 100 people 16-65 total, and none of them are working, we would have a 0% employment rate, and a 100% unemployment rate. If 90 got hired, we'd have a 90% employment rate, and a 10% unemployment rate. Now, things are looking good, no? Recession hits, and 45 people lose their jobs. We're down to 50% unemployment and employment rates. Over the next 6 months, 5 more people lose their jobs and 50 people stop looking for work. So, only 5 out of 50 people are unemployed. We're back to 90% employment and 10% unemployment! Hooray, right?

Yeah, not so much.

Labor participation rates have to be taken into account.

[image]http://elimcmakin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/labor_force_participation_rate.png[/image]

Reagan presided over a 4% (roughly) increase in labor participation while Obama has presided over a 2% (roughly) decrease in labor participation. Under Bush, there was (roughly) 66% participation and we were down to 5% unemployment not too long before the recession. Under Obama, we're right around 6% unemployment, but we're also down to 63-64% participation.

I'm not saying Obama is to blame for the drop in the participation rate (it dropped roughly 2% under Bush, too), but touting the unemployment rate numbers as proof he's done better than Reagan isn't really telling the whole story. Reagan had slightly higher unemployment numbers (1% higher according to the article), but the participation rate grew at the same time.





Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 5:43:15 AM)


Don't feel too bad, Lucy. You can only fool some of the people some of the time.

Clinton: "Nobody Believes" Economy Is Coming Back "Because You Don't Feel It"




cloudboy -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 5:51:28 AM)


Pretty much everyone I knew who was unemployed is now re-employed. The Stock Market has surged back saving everyone's 401(k)s. Medicare Costs have been cut going forward -- leading to a better federal budget forecast. Gas prices are incredibly low.

Just like under Clinton, it's hard to know what the RIGHT is complaining about given it's handling of the country from 2000-08.

Obama's fiercest critics shut down the US Government while paying all federal employees their full salary. The same nutjobs wanted the USA to default on it National Debt Obligations.




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 5:53:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Don't feel too bad, Lucy. You can only fool some of the people some of the time.

Clinton: "Nobody Believes" Economy Is Coming Back "Because You Don't Feel It"


you mean
FMR. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: They are really running against the president, aren't they? They see these polls, the president is unpopular in Arkansas and, yeah, the economy is coming back but nobody believes it yet because you don't feel it. But remember what I said four years ago -- or two years ago -- in Charlotte. Financial crises take an average of 10 years to get over. We just crossed over and we're now creating more jobs above where we were before the crash.

Six years, four years ahead of the global average for 150 years we're doing better than that. I don't expect anybody to vote on it or be happy because middle class incomes haven't risen, the average family is making less adjusted for inflation than they were the day I left office. But I am telling you the truth, we are coming back.


Only terminal idiots are claiming it only takes a couple of years to bounce back after that clusterfuck of a meltdown,yanno, the ones that have opposed the Prez since he was elected.
yanno, like...you
edited to include quote




Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:01:24 AM)


Its old news that most new jobs are part time due to Oblundercare







Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:03:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The Stock Market has surged back...



You were just crying about that the other day

Where are the "own wall street" rioters today, smearing their feces on everything that isn't a government handout




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:18:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Its old news that most new jobs are part time due to Oblundercare





sorry to burst your bladder, troll, but most new jobs all over the civilized world are part time jobs, if they can get away with it, and has bugger all to do with the ACA and has more to do with outsourcing jobs to other countries and hiding money in the caymans.
Texas has had the biggest growth of part time jobs.....and they dont have obamacare.
BTW when have I ever said ACA was a GOOD system.
It still has the element of greed for insurers and the capitalists getting fat on sick people.




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:20:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


The Stock Market has surged back...



You were just crying about that the other day

Where are the "own wall street" rioters today, smearing their feces on everything that isn't a government handout

its good you havent got a clue what occupy movement is doing.... stay uninterested till you can whine.




Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:27:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

FMR. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: Financial crises take an average of 10 years to get over. We just crossed over and we're now creating more jobs above where we were before the crash.


Who was president ten years ago, busily mopping up Clintons bursting bubbles




Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:30:07 AM)


Oblundercare punishes companies that hire full time

Probably because the poorer people are the more likely they are to vote for the leftists whose policies made them poor in the first place




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:31:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

FMR. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: Financial crises take an average of 10 years to get over. We just crossed over and we're now creating more jobs above where we were before the crash.


Who was president ten years ago, busily mopping up Clintons bursting bubbles



[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]snorts and chuckles
You've got nothing so you're reaching back some more....be careful of your arse, you are gonna disapear into it soon.




Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 6:58:02 AM)

Going by Bubba Clinton's' ten year rule, Reagan was responsible for his economy




joether -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 7:00:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Oblundercare punishes companies that hire full time

Probably because the poorer people are the more likely they are to vote for the leftists whose policies made them poor in the first place


For a person totally ignorant of the ACA, I'm not the least surprised by your lame answer....






joether -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 7:02:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Going by Bubba Clinton's' ten year rule, Reagan was responsible for his economy


Its funny to ask conservatives the following question:

Would you rather have Reagan's economy in which Taxes were pretty high, or Obama's in which the taxes were really low?

Their minds explode before arriving at the answer. They want to say Reagan, but boy, those low taxes under a Democrat look REALLY appealing....




Sanity -> RE: Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing (10/7/2014 8:36:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Going by Bubba Clinton's' ten year rule, Reagan was responsible for his economy


Its funny to ask conservatives the following question:

Would you rather have Reagan's economy in which Taxes were pretty high, or Obama's in which the taxes were really low?

Their minds explode before arriving at the answer. They want to say Reagan, but boy, those low taxes under a Democrat look REALLY appealing....



Uh huh, leftists are all about low taxes...

You are a blithering idiot




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