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joether -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/4/2014 11:56:33 AM)

You know what I find funny in this 'conversation'? And if I didn't say anything (like this post)?

It would go on and on for a few pages. Without one set of constructive, thought out, in-depth ideas on how to accomplish good border security. That I blame conservatives for not having one useful thought on how to accomplish this feat. Rather than deal with the issues, being pro-active, forcing government to be good by taking active participation; conservatives here, would just 'sit and bitch'. Were is the flow of useful and constructive ideas? Don't any of you have any real thoughts? Independent thoughts?

I'm not asking for the stuff politicians used to get people voting for them. That's happened for the past two decades. What has come of it? Absolutely nothing.




joether -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/4/2014 11:58:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
There are multiple realities. The reality as you see it, the reality as other people see it, and the reality itself

Accordingly there is the media spin regarding presidents (including movies, tv and magazines etc) and the spin put on the textbooks and by all of the pundits historically and in real time

Back in the day there was no Internet and people more or less had to believe what their newspaper said, or what the radio announcer guy told them, or what the talking head on their one black & white tv channel claimed as fact

"I am Walter Cronkite (Dan Rather), and thats the way it is."

Now though, someone like Barack gets found out despite the media, and someone like W gets exonerated despite the media

And while perception is everything, the truth is out there and it is available

Problem is all the people who willingly choose ignorance


Spoken like a true conservative conspiracy theorist!




Sanity -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/4/2014 12:36:41 PM)

Great time for rolling amnesty by royal decree to bring so many illegals rushing in that they overwhelm

Radioactive material stolen in Mexico: officials

Leftists just dont 'get it' on Border Security




MrRodgers -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/4/2014 10:47:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well the right could claim they are all terrorists and support a war to take over say Mexico for starters...end of problem.

BTW, I am not so sure it is conservatives that are the problem, it's more today's repubs than conservatives.

Real conservatives are much more pragmatic and work for a solution rather than just sit back and whine at the current admin.


I see you're avoiding the reality that practically EVERYONE is complaining about this dishonest, lazy, corrupt, incompetent, low-down, lying racist shit bag currently occupying the White House

OK man, I guess then all he has to do is actually start two more wars, lying through his teeth to get us in, call everybody a traitor who doesn't go along, protect wall street allowing them to sell another trillion$ of shit paper, out a CIA field agent, go through another $11 trillion, create a recession that trashes another say 6-7 million jobs, crash the Dow say 50% and allow NY and the Pentagon to be attacked...he just might be as bad as Bush.




MercTech -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 8:36:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Great time for rolling amnesty by royal decree to bring so many illegals rushing in that they overwhelm

Radioactive material stolen in Mexico: officials

Leftists just dont 'get it' on Border Security


Confused.. what does a truck being stolen that had an iridium radiography source in it have to do with amnesty?




mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 8:42:10 AM)

And insofar as we can tell it was in Mexico, when it was stolen. A Mexican truck as it were.




Sanity -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 9:32:03 AM)

God damn... Why does such simple shit have to be broken down to kindergartener level in this forum

Obamas threat to "act without Congress" on amnesty, along with his prior decree to let illegal alien minors have defacto amnesty, is causing a border rush so heavy that our border and immigration personnel and facilities are totally overwhelmed right now

Meaning that there is very little border security in place, with some locations being extremely hard hit

Meaning that if someone wanted to bring something in to add to, say, the Minneapolis water supply, its a great time to do it

(Gee thanks Barack)




Sanity -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 9:37:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well the right could claim they are all terrorists and support a war to take over say Mexico for starters...end of problem.

BTW, I am not so sure it is conservatives that are the problem, it's more today's repubs than conservatives.

Real conservatives are much more pragmatic and work for a solution rather than just sit back and whine at the current admin.


I see you're avoiding the reality that practically EVERYONE is complaining about this dishonest, lazy, corrupt, incompetent, low-down, lying racist shit bag currently occupying the White House

OK man, I guess then all he has to do is actually start two more wars, lying through his teeth to get us in, call everybody a traitor who doesn't go along, protect wall street allowing them to sell another trillion$ of shit paper, out a CIA field agent, go through another $11 trillion, create a recession that trashes another say 6-7 million jobs, crash the Dow say 50% and allow NY and the Pentagon to be attacked...he just might be as bad as Bush.


Why not rant on about Calvin Coolidge. It would be just about as intelligent...

But while we are here, did you hear the one about the leftist who swore to a conservative that Barack Obama is Bush light?

The conservative said, "Actually, since polls show that the public sees George W. Bush as the more competent and honest president, etc, that would make George W. Bush Obama-Lite" [sm=rofl.gif]





Lucylastic -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 9:37:38 AM)

the fact that Obama has said he wants to act with congress passed your kindergarten ability has it?
Its the rethugs who are denying it.

hes got another 150 odd EOs to sign before he gets close to the previous douchebag in power




Sanity -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 9:52:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the fact that Obama has said he wants to act with congress passed your kindergarten ability has it?
Its the rethugs who are denying it.

hes got another 150 odd EOs to sign before he gets close to the previous douchebag in power


Polls have shown very convincingly that Americans want no part of the Barack Obama amnesty plan
The politicians did amnesty in the 1980's and we were promised that would fix the problem, and that they would never ask for amnesty again

From that there are laws on the books already, Congress has done its part. Obama isn't doing his, which is enforcing the damn laws that are already on the books




mnottertail -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 9:58:43 AM)

Oh, but as I have demonstrated, Obama is enforcing the laws, he is the Deporter In Chief. Nutsackers are disingenuously not funding the enforcement, as well as shielding their corporate thug and goon masters.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 2:47:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
hes got another 150 odd EOs to sign before he gets close to the previous douchebag in power


He also has 2-1/2 more years to go.




Politesub53 -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 4:39:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

God damn... Why does such simple shit have to be broken down to kindergartener level in this forum



So you can follow it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 10:01:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
hes got another 150 odd EOs to sign before he gets close to the previous douchebag in power


He also has 2-1/2 more years to go.


hehehehe yes does, doesnt he.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/5/2014 11:17:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL DesideriScuri (Snip)

It's really tough to gauge who was a better President by polling current voters. When you have a span of 69 years worth of Presidents, the younger the respondent, the less likely he/she is to actually have a clue about the older Presidents. I can honestly say that any President prior to Reagan isn't going to bring any direct experience from me, and Reagan's Presidency can only bring up non-political experiences.



I'd like to speak to this, a little ...

My memory goes back (very vaguely) to President Johnson (Ask me, some time, to relate the story of the day they were burying Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.)

My memories definitely kick in for Nixon. I remember Nixon, beating McGovern in '72 very well.

I remember being not quite ten years old and splitting my summer vacation between stickball in the morning and being home in time to watch the Watergate hearings on channel 13 (PBS in NYC), in the afternoon (My friends were all convinced I was a geek [and other words we can't use, here]).

I remember reading "All The President's Men" when it came out (at least a dozen times).

I remember watching the Nixon interviews with Frost and forming the opinion that Nixon wasn't aware of the break-in, beforehand because his people wanted him to have "plausible deniability". However, I firmly believed that he was well involved in the cover-up. I have frequently said: "All he needed to do was say: 'These people ... my people thought this is what I wanted. I've fired them.' and he could have saved his presidency. After all, he ended the Vietnam War (Of course, he did it the way Hanoi John Kerry wanted him to, giving the commie pinkos an un-deserved victory).

I remember how President Carter made a lot of us feel embarrassed about being American and how Ronald Reagan re-infused us with "can-do" spirit.

(I want to say, here: I had an opportunity to meet President Carter, when he was out of office and had just started "Habitat For Humanity" and I thought he was a terrific guy but a lousy president)

I remember how I couldn't help thinking that Bush I couldn't help but be a better choice than Dukakis (God forgive me).

I remember thinking that a pot-smoking draft-dodger couldn't possibly be elected (and I was wrong) and how his wife wanted to kill people in this country with her facocta health care reform (I'm still not sure that her, writing law, wasn't unconstitutional).

I remember a president, accused of something that didn't matter (A B.J. in the Whitehouse), was allowed to walk away from lying to congress (something for which he eviscerated President Nixon).

I remember a new president getting elected and (almost) immediately having the "cooked book" economy burst out from under him. he didn't "bitch and blame" he rolled up his sleeves and got to work.

I remember him being a beacon of hope, when thousands of our citizens were killed by extremist bastards who have no conscience decided that thousands of "blue-eyed devils" needed to die.

I remember him, being one of the worst domestic-policy presidents in history; not concerning himself with re-building the shitty economy he inherited.

I remember the attack on the constitution that he dubbed "The PATRIOT Act".

I remember a lawyer with no leadership experience being anointed by democrats as the "new hope".

I remember studying his (very short) senatorial career and reading his book and realizing that he was a socialist.

I remember stating that he was a socialist and being labeled a racist for it.

I remember my country, which had been involved in racially-charged riots just 40 years before, electing a black man. I remember being proud of that (Although, I wished it had been Gen. Powell, instead of the current pretender-in-chief).

I remember being promised "hope and change" and getting prison-fucked, instead.

I find myself thinking nostalgically about the Clinton presidency but really wishing Ronald Reagan's son had been more politically active.







Screen captures still RULE! Ya feel me?




cloudboy -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/6/2014 5:23:33 AM)

According to you, Nelson Mandela was a "Black Supremacist." I've no doubt that's how you "remembered" him.

Maybe you should try reading and research over all your emotionally-laden memories.




Lucylastic -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/6/2014 5:28:50 AM)

too many were removed to get a true idea Cloudboy.




cloudboy -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/6/2014 6:01:56 AM)

It is not easy to live in a "Pablum-puking" world wherein you have to hide about 20 other CMMB posters b/c you cannot withstand / rebut their challenges.




DomKen -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/6/2014 7:20:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I remember studying his (very short) senatorial career and reading his book and realizing that he was a socialist.

This proves you either can't read or don't know what socialism is.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Conservatives just dont 'get it' on Border Security (7/6/2014 7:44:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
hes got another 150 odd EOs to sign before he gets close to the previous douchebag in power

He also has 2-1/2 more years to go.

hehehehe yes does, doesnt he.


I doubt he'll catch up to W, and W was damn near inert compared to FDR. I wonder if anyone has ever broken down the EO's of the Presidents by "type."




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