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Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 12:26:58 PM   
mnottertail


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Throwing the shit away.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/business/energy-environment/in-north-dakota-wasted-natural-gas-flickers-against-the-sky.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Oh the 'market' will fill the need. Now, in the meantime, rather than selling dirt cheap our natural gas and propane has skyrocketed due to shortage, they are wasting our nations natural resources and leaving us with the externalities.

http://www.propanecouncil.org/council/what-is-propane/

even as the corporate propaganda arm tells us their nutsacker george orwellian lies.

There is no case where the market is efficient. There is nowhere the market actually works according to the nutsacker hallucinations.

Simpletonian asswipe, yet they preach this shit as if only if we let the corporations do their thing without interferance, the would would be heaven and the nutsackers would benevolently rule and everyone awash in plenty.

Lying motherfuckers from the word go.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 2:07:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The first story is dated 2013. The second link is from 2011.

According to your first link this is primarily an infrastructure issue that companies are trying to resolve. There appears to be a low volume lost to flaring in Texas. North Dakota is still developing the infrastructure it needs to handle the high volume of product they are finding. Apparently they are trying to fix the problem and plan to spend billions of dollars on infrastructure. Meanwhile, these companies are losing 100 million a month in product while dealing with investors who seem to think that pipelines and processing plants just magically manifest themselves every time someone starts up a new well.

The only nutsacker asswipe I can see is the way this has been presented here.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 2:10:50 PM   
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I agree, lets have government take over shit that these goddam free market communists are fucking up, sieze it, nationalize it. You can't fuckin read can you?

The nutsacker corporations and their nutsacker minions cannot be bothered with the shit.





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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 5:01:19 PM   
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The first story is dated 2013. The second link is from 2011.

According to your first link this is primarily an infrastructure issue that companies are trying to resolve.

The story is two years old in 2013 which means that 2.4 billion dollars worth of our fuel was flared since the first story. How many miles of pipe line do you thinik could be built for 2.4 large?



North Dakota is still developing the infrastructure it needs to handle the high volume of product they are finding.


1.2billion a year since 2010. Field active and flaring 80% in 2007. In seven years they have not been able to build enough pipelines to deal with this issue that is costing them 1.2 billion a year.

Apparently they are trying to fix the problem and plan to spend billions of dollars on infrastructure.

The op notes that they are going to spend a billion dollars a year on infrastructure while loosing 1.2 billion to flairing...I remain unconvinced that any "real" beancounter would sign off on that shit


Meanwhile, these companies are losing 100 million a month in product while dealing with investors who seem to think that pipelines and processing plants just magically manifest themselves every time someone starts up a new well.


Seven years is not exactly overnight.

The only nutsacker asswipe I can see is the way this has been presented here.

We both read the same thing why did you not notice the things I pointed out?

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 5:17:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, we must ask ourselves, those of us who are american, are we better off running a pipeline thru states, foregoing states rights, and as nutsackers, hide it next election that we voted for corporations, or do we say fuck the XL and start looking at our own situation, and which one will will benefit more americans (cuz we can kill colored people anytime, for no reason except our nation says go, me and hunties families have a ong tradition of doing that and we have no provable conscience, but you better fuckin fund our hospitalization we come back some fuckin brainstem or something, or dont dump us in the fuckin landfilll, (here is a small departure, ma, dad, sis, bro, kids, grandkids, gotta tell you if you can get the 255 and dump my carcass in the landfill, you go................)n but not the goverment, I got a deal with them motherfuckers, and I will get respect from somebody. (and I am thinking huntie is of like mind)

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 5:32:13 PM   
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well, we must ask ourselves, those of us who are american, are we better off running a pipeline thru states, foregoing states rights, and as nutsackers, hide it next election that we voted for corporations, or do we say fuck the XL and start looking at our own situation, and which one will will benefit more americans (cuz we can kill colored people anytime, for no reason except our nation says go, me and hunties families have a ong tradition of doing that and we have no provable conscience, but you better fuckin fund our hospitalization we come back some fuckin brainstem or something, or dont dump us in the fuckin landfilll, (here is a small departure, ma, dad, sis, bro, kids, grandkids, gotta tell you if you can get the 255 and dump my carcass in the landfill, you go................)n but not the goverment, I got a deal with them motherfuckers, and I will get respect from somebody. (and I am thinking huntie is of like mind)


Well there is that warm fuzzy feeling I get when the eagle shits...They still owe me a hole in the ground,a box and a little brass marker but they will probably try to stiff me for the flag since my mom wouldn't give them back the one they sent her by mistake, when they lost track of me once for a bit.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/30/2014 5:35:13 PM   
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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/31/2014 6:36:01 AM   
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yeah, my day comes............fuck you pal...........I don't give a fuck Ganesh writes you a fuckin note, and Shiva come down from the fuckin sky telling the nutsucker president the shit is fallin, you owe me a fuckin box, hole, flag and stone. That is my contract with america.



I think I read somewhere that they also owe for someone to toot a horn for us from time to time but that I hear has been relegated to playing a cd.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/31/2014 6:45:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it they are throwing fellas in the landfill when we are dead in the middle of it cuz the fuckin private e nothings at dover can't be fuckin bothered to put all the leftover fingers in a coffee can and in a national cemetery, I mean band of brothers and all and I know your family is murderers and war criminals back to the revolutionary war, and mine only to the indian wars, we are latecomers, I am sure we have enough comraderie we can share that bit of dirt, even though my line is not as long, one thing, if my penis is blowed off, I want a separate burial for that though, and don't ask why, cuz I ain't gonna tell, but eternity with a bunch of dicks isn't gonna be made up for by my momma having a flag to stick in the closet. That aint no tradeoff in my world.

You steal a penny postage stamp in this country, and the government will spend billions to track your ass down, then we got resources enough to see I dont go out to be pecked at by seagulls, and chewed on by skunks and dogs.

Yeah, heros my ass, for an hour after a ham dinner on memorial day, or veterans day. Blow a horn for a guy that gave his life for this country? Why not one final blowjob, real and in person? Do what you said you would do, free Americans.


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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 5/31/2014 4:31:35 PM   
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well, we must ask ourselves, those of us who are american, are we better off running a pipeline thru states, foregoing states rights, and as nutsackers, hide it next election that we voted for corporations, or do we say fuck the XL and start looking at our own situation, and which one will will benefit more americans (cuz we can kill colored people anytime, for no reason except our nation says go, me and hunties families have a ong tradition of doing that and we have no provable conscience, but you better fuckin fund our hospitalization we come back some fuckin brainstem or something, or dont dump us in the fuckin landfilll, (here is a small departure, ma, dad, sis, bro, kids, grandkids, gotta tell you if you can get the 255 and dump my carcass in the landfill, you go................)n but not the goverment, I got a deal with them motherfuckers, and I will get respect from somebody. (and I am thinking huntie is of like mind)



Jester, you're off your meds again. Your hate is showing.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/1/2014 7:17:50 AM   
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Your hate is showing.



You say that like it was a bad thing.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/1/2014 10:05:50 AM   
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The second link is from 2011.

Actually, it's even worse now:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-07/flaring-wastes-badlands-gas-as-north-dakota-lacks-pipes.html

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/2/2014 10:22:30 PM   
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Would the cost of setting up extensive pipeline systems or installing gas liquification plants at the wellhead be cost effective? Hmmm, what would be the cost of trucking LNG out of the Dakotas to where it is needed?

As to nationalizing.. After working for decades cleaning up Uncle Sugar's messes, I wouldn't trust the Federal Government to build a kiddie's sandbox without effing it up. Look at the track record; when the Federal Bureaucracy is actively in charge of anything industrial; a major HAZMAT cleanup site is in the making.




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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 3:58:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anytime that private industry is in charge of anything industrial; a major HAZMAT cleanup site is in the making. A quick counterpoint to your statement right off my head would be Alaska(Exxon Valdez) and BP and the gulf, and for the other end, XL Pipeline and Nebraska wetlands.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 7:23:17 AM   
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Anytime that private industry is in charge of anything industrial; a major HAZMAT cleanup site is in the making. A quick counterpoint to your statement right off my head would be Alaska(Exxon Valdez) and BP and the gulf, and for the other end, XL Pipeline and Nebraska wetlands.


And in its time I heard so much about how the Alaska pipeline was going to rape and pillage and it just hasn't. Hundreds of thousands of oil shipments and well heads and you have to go back decades to find disasters to scare people with to make your point.

You don't even mention that government is involved in all of those disasters. Taking money off the top, issuing licenses and establishing procedures. Albeight, mostly taking money off the top. Being irrational, jester, doesn't justify your points.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 8:11:05 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		No I don't. But I understand simpletons are unaware of their surroundings. The BP spill was not decades ago. That was 2010, a decade is 10 years (and decades would be at least two ten year periods consecutively, grab up a dictionary, learn some English and take your meds, and quit flouncing around hysterically like a peri-menopausal drag queen in high dudgeon.

And lets see, lately there has been a couple of towns blown up, and so on. Middleton Connecticut; Fertilizer Plant blowing up in Texas; thats a couple-tree recently.

I don't see any reason to mention Government in disasters they are only sharing a time-space with. I can name some government successes that had nothing to do with free market communism though.

The Trans-Alaska pipeline has had many incidents, the last one was in 2011 with near 14000 gallons spilled. I am aware you cannot read other than nutsacker bloggings, but the truth is out there, if you quit felching those nutsackers and deal in fact.



Government is involved in that it collects taxes, sure.

I bet you think St. Wrinklemeat singlehandedly destroyed the Soviet Union. And that nutsackers are fiscally responsible. How you coming on those jobs bills, I have written on them and am awaiting your moronic spew on them.

I like to laugh and disparage the drought of intellect exhibited by nutsackers, c'mon, lets see the jobs bills.

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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 8:31:01 AM   
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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 8:33:07 AM   
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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 8:33:24 AM   
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RE: Free Market communism failure, again and still - 6/3/2014 8:36:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		A government is just not capable of actually running an industrial facility without seriously fucking things up. The government just refuses to play by the rules that they regulate private industry to. The citation of the BP spill is more an indictment of bribable government regulators.

Where the U.S. Government has directly run nuclear facilities, they did not play by the rules they enforced on commercial installations and now we have the taxpayers funding huge multi billion dollar HAZMAT cleanup projects. Places to google:
Hanford
Rocky Flats
Fernald
Savannah River
Los Alamos
Oak Ridge

I just have to disagree. Putting the government in charge of anything supposed to be productive is putting self aggrandizing political wonks that have no foggy clue about anything technical where they can do the most damage. Look at the track record of failures before letting the U.S. Government get direct control of anything.

Anyway, this is besides the point of the topic. Burn off of excess flammable gases from oil wells was the original topic. Personally I give a hearty raspberry to the "we are losing millions" whining. It isn't LOSING, it is the fact that in areas where it was feasible, they reclaimed waste product to sell for a side market for some extra profit. Big difference there.
Having a waste gas tank on an oil well the opens a relief valve when pressure builds up sufficiently and fires an igniter is much different from a natural gas well that produces cubic feet per minute of gas. You should see what happens at a refinery. It is rather beautiful late at night when they blow waste gas (mostly propane) and you have hundred foot high gouts of flame lighting up the night.

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