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TheHeretic -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/28/2014 9:34:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 so America has become a place where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent? That is what the crux of the matter is/is becoming, imo.. If you are stopped then you must be guilty.. [8\|] One nice thing about getting a Republican back into the White House will be the liberals being given their cue to pretend they care about civil liberties again. Let us all hope we have a few left by then.

DomKen -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/28/2014 10:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri FR, Ohio Highway Patrol makes a solid number of drug busts. More than you'd think would be typical. What they do is occasionally travel through the parking lots of the rest stops with drug-sniffing dogs, and "identify" those vehicles with drugs. After the vehicles are back on the turnpike, they are followed and pulled over for any possible infraction of state driving laws (ie. "marked lane violations," license plate light violations, etc.). When the Trooper pulls them over, they find something suspicious and bring the dog back out. Of course, they already know the vehicle is going to set the dog off, so they also know they'll end up with probably cause to search the vehicle. Is the initial sweep at a rest stop/service plaza, an "illegal search" even though the officer wasn't physically going through someone's belongings? No. You obviously have no reasonable expectation of privacy in regards to odorsemitted by items in your possession. well.. its become abusive and innocent people in various states have been subjected to cavity searches and nothing found.. I guess its ok to do until they target you for that, which in their zeal for arrests could happen to anyone now-a-days.. and sometimes the drug dogs are wrong.. "The officers searched his car with a drug dog that alerted them to the smell of drugs. But they couldn’t find any contraband on Eckert or in his vehicle, so they obtained a warrant for a search of his body." http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routine-traffic-stops-into-cavity-searches-201433510.html And those people do have civil remedies they can and are pursuing. That is how our system works. It's not perfect but it is a lot better than most others.

thompsonx -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 8:11:38 AM)
And those people do have civil remedies they can and are pursuing. That is how our system works. It's not perfect but it is a lot better than most others. In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest wth deadly force. If that were the law in all states then perhaps the civil remidies would not be necessary.

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 9:15:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest wth deadly force. If that were the law in all states then perhaps the civil remidies would not be necessary. Considering how many ways the police have of making an arrest if they really want to, this sounds like a recipe for disaster. Don't most jurisdictions have a charge of Resisting Lawful Authority or Refusing to Obey a Lawful Order on the books? Unlawful assembly? Failure to Disburse? Etc.

thompsonx -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 12:28:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx In texas it is legal to resist an unlawful arrest wth deadly force. If that were the law in all states then perhaps the civil remidies would not be necessary. Considering how many ways the police have of making an arrest if they really want to, this sounds like a recipe for disaster. Don't most jurisdictions have a charge of Resisting Lawful Authority or Refusing to Obey a Lawful Order on the books? Unlawful assembly? Failure to Disburse? Etc. When the cops understand that if they try to commit a crime against a citizen the citizen in texas has immediate recourse. Might want to look up a fellow named gregorio cortez. Seems he shot the sherrif. When a second sherrif came to square things away he and two of his deputies won the body bag lotto. Interesting story.

OwnerFiftyNine -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 1:28:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 so America has become a place where you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent? That is what the crux of the matter is/is becoming, imo.. If you are stopped then you must be guilty.. [8\|] One nice thing about getting a Republican back into the White House will be the liberals being given their cue to pretend they care about civil liberties again. Let us all hope we have a few left by then. Says the party that brought us the patriot act....[8\|]

MercTech -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 5:20:09 PM)
Republican, Democrat, same crooks different face and backers.

tj444 -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 5:51:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen And those people do have civil remedies they can and are pursuing. That is how our system works. It's not perfect but it is a lot better than most others. depends on how badly treated they were (so a lot simply wont bother, especially if they think the justice system sucks). If its bad enough then a few might but not if they dont have the money to hire the lawyers and time to wait years for that (something the cops & govt tends to count on).. The thing is that people shouldnt be forced to go thru that in the first place.. Imo, for every one we hear about, there are a hundred we dont hear about cuz those people have been "beat down" too much to fight.. The situation with the 2 women strip searched at the side of the road (here in TX) had a video of it all, so the cop couldnt claim it didnt happen, etc.. thats basically what you need to get those "civil remedies" you speak of..

ThirdWheelWanted -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 7:57:23 PM)
I'll look that up, thanks. It sounds interesting.

TheHeretic -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 7:59:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThirdWheelWanted Failure to Disburse? I don't think the minimum wage law has passed yet. [8D] Yes. People can be arrested on pretty flimsy stuff. Personally, I think the ruling that allowed the cops to go digging through the contents of your wallet, address book, etc. without a warrant was out of line with the 4th Amendment.

mnottertail -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (4/29/2014 8:16:01 PM)
Its pretty sure that nutsackers will not be destroying this country from the white house for years to come, maybe only from their headquarters at the minneapolis airport bathroom where they caucus

JeffBC -> RE: Cell Phones Aren't Phones, Email Isn't Mail... (5/10/2014 9:57:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic One nice thing about getting a Republican back into the White House will be the liberals being given their cue to pretend they care about civil liberties again. LOLOL +1

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