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MrRodgers -> RE: Let's have it...what is patriotic ? (3/13/2014 5:29:37 AM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Very interesting read HERE.
According to the article, my belief of what patriotism is, is coined as "Constitutional Patriotism," or "Covenant Patriotism." quote:
In view of the disastrous record of national socialism, it is not surprising that German thinkers in particular should be suspicious of patriotism as long as it has not been dissociated from nationalism. As early as 1959, political theorist Dolf Sternberger called for a new understanding of the concept of fatherland. “The fatherland is the ‘republic,’ which we create for ourselves. The fatherland is the constitution, to which we give life. The fatherland is the freedom which we truly enjoy only when we ourselves promote it, make use of it, and stand guard over it” (Sternberger 1990, 12). In 1979, on the 30th anniversary of the Federal Republic, he coined the term “constitutional patriotism” (Verfassungspatriotismus) to describe the loyalty to the patria understood in these terms (13–16). The term was later adopted by Jürgen Habermas in the context of a case for overcoming pre-political, i.e. national and cultural, loyalties in public life, and supplanting them with a new, postnational, purely political identity embodied in the laws and institutions of a free and democratic state. Habermas argues that this identity, expressed in and reinforced by constitutional patriotism, can provide a solid foundation for such a state, given the ethnic and cultural heterogeneity characteristic of most countries in western Europe. It can also facilitate further European integration, and provide an antidote to the “chauvinism of affluence” tempting these countries (Habermas 1990).
Constitutional patriotism is the most widely discussed, but not the sole variety of “new patriotism.” Another is “covenanted patriotism” advocated by John H. Schaar as appropriate for countries whose population is much too ethnically and culturally heterogeneous to allow for “natural patriotism.” Schaar's paradigmatic example is the United States, whose citizens “were bonded together not by blood or religion, not by tradition or territory, not by the walls and traditions of a city, but by a political idea … by a covenant, by dedication to a set of principles and by an exchange of promises to uphold and advance certain commitments” (Schaar 1981, 291). Still another variety is the “patriotism of liberty” propounded by Maurizio Viroli, who calls for a return to what patriotism used to be before it was harnessed in the service of the nation-state and submerged in nationalism: love of the laws and institutions of one's polity and the common liberty they make possible (Viroli 1995).
Oh I agree but that's not what I see now. I've seen evidence without warrant used to obtain a conviction clearly in violation of the 4th amend. We've seen what has grown to 50,000 home and business police raids either on very specious grounds or some even without warrant.
The constitution has not protected Snowden once the exec. is empowered to use the ruse 'national security' to create laws that merely give carte blanch to protect govt. secrecy in the name of national security. The constitution didn't prevent the federal reserve from creating the for-profit business of renting their currency to the US govt. and put into circulation.
Neither our votes or the constitution stopped the Patriot [sic] act in general and the last DAA specifically in enabling the exec.,to arrest Americans in America from their own home on mere suspicion of aiding or what is called...material support for foreign or domestic enemies.
Even the exec. branch said when questioned by congress, that it was 'unclear' as to whether the exec had carte blanch to arrest anybody in America without charge or habeus corpus. Now what I see is a bill of rights within our constitution that is 'unclear' as to whether it stands up against what the exec. branch can decide is our national security.
Sorry, but the list goes on as to just what our constitution does not do for America. I can't sing the national anthem with conviction anymore.
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