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Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in fed... - 3/2/2014 7:24:22 AM   
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South Florida orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in federal court

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A South Florida orthodontist is taking on President Obama‘s penchant for unilaterally altering the Affordable Care Act without the approval of Congress.


DR. LARRY KAWA: Filed suit in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to challenge the Obama administration’s employer mandate delays.
And he’s got a shot a winning.

Larry Kawa took to Capitol Hill in Washington D.C., Wednesday morning to announce a lawsuit filed on his behalf with the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. It’s the only case of its kind against any of the 29 executive orders relating to Obamacare.

If successful, the court could force the Obama administration to adhere to the employer mandate that it has twice delayed, contradicting the plain text of the law.

It could be the biggest case of 2014.

“I’m not a politico. I’m not a Washington D.C. guy. I’m an orthodontist from Boca Raton,” Kawa told Watchdog.org.
But he’s also on to something. A federal district judge previously dismissed his case against the government while simultaneously lying out a roadmap for how to proceed. Kawa lacked standing.

Standing is the legal principle in which a plaintiff must show an actual injury before a court will hear the dispute. It’s a hurdle that has kept at bay other would-be challengers seeking to avoid an injury.

“If the court grants us standing then they lose,” Kawa said.

Because he employs more than 50 workers, Kawa Orthodontics is subject to complicated regulations and penalties under Obamacare.

In March 2013, Kawa spent $5,000 on legal fees to make sure his business was in compliance with the health law. Kawa said he spent 100 additional hours learning about the law, including meetings with insurance agents and his accountant.

Four months later it was all for naught. The administration changed the law without congressional approval. It was delayed again on Feb 10.

“Whatever the stated reason for the new delay, it is illegal,” reported the Washington Post.

Kawa, along with Judicial Watch, a conservative legal organization, is suing under the Administrative Procedure Act, a bill of rights for those whose affairs are regulated and controlled by administrative agencies.

Kawa said he doesn’t want his money back. He wants something the administration can’t buy.

“I’m suing for the court to declare that the act of Congress (the Affordable Care Act) was real and not something the president can change at will,” he said.

Obamacare expressly states that the employer mandate, or “employer shared responsibility,” applies after Dec. 31, 2013. Other provisions, such as penalties, are specifically tied to that date.

An executive branch delay is an illegal change and a violation of the Constitution‘s separation of powers, critics say.

The White House sees it differently.

“It is preposterous to suggest that a delay in the implementation of a provision within a law is anything unusual,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters after the first delay was announced. “I have several examples here I could provide to you, and numerous more could be provided to you, and they happened under previous administrations and this one.”

Ironically, if the court rules in favor of Kawa Orthodontics, the mandate would go into effect immediately, something wary businesses and the administration don’t want.

However, the fallout could send the law back to Congress for an immediate legislative fix, which the administration is trying to avoid from the outset.

“If President Obama truly wants to fix Obamacare, he will have to go through Congress,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.

The latest delay reportedly was an attempt to stem voter backlash ahead of the November midterm elections.

Kawa said he doesn’t mix politics with his patients but has received angry emails calling him an “obstructionist.”

“I live in Boca Raton. It’s a small town and it’s unavoidable,” he said.

Kawa says he’s trying to hold the government accountable to its own laws.

“This is a wave that’s washing over us, and a lot of people are just standing there waiting to get wet,” he said. “Some people just don’t appreciate what is happening.”

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It will be interesting to keep an eye open on this.
Thoughts anyone>?

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Must have lots of extra time and money......to waste.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/2/2014 1:04:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
http://watchdog.org/130044/executive-order-obamacare/
South Florida orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in federal court
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A South Florida orthodontist is taking on President Obama‘s penchant for unilaterally altering the Affordable Care Act without the approval of Congress.
DR. LARRY KAWA: Filed suit in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals to challenge the Obama administration’s employer mandate delays.
And he’s got a shot a winning.
Larry Kawa took to Capitol Hill in Washington D.C., Wednesday morning to announce a lawsuit filed on his behalf with the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. It’s the only case of its kind against any of the 29 executive orders relating to Obamacare.
If successful, the court could force the Obama administration to adhere to the employer mandate that it has twice delayed, contradicting the plain text of the law.
It could be the biggest case of 2014.
“I’m not a politico. I’m not a Washington D.C. guy. I’m an orthodontist from Boca Raton,” Kawa told Watchdog.org.
But he’s also on to something. A federal district judge previously dismissed his case against the government while simultaneously lying out a roadmap for how to proceed. Kawa lacked standing.
Standing is the legal principle in which a plaintiff must show an actual injury before a court will hear the dispute. It’s a hurdle that has kept at bay other would-be challengers seeking to avoid an injury.
“If the court grants us standing then they lose,” Kawa said.
Because he employs more than 50 workers, Kawa Orthodontics is subject to complicated regulations and penalties under Obamacare.
In March 2013, Kawa spent $5,000 on legal fees to make sure his business was in compliance with the health law. Kawa said he spent 100 additional hours learning about the law, including meetings with insurance agents and his accountant.
Four months later it was all for naught. The administration changed the law without congressional approval. It was delayed again on Feb 10.
“Whatever the stated reason for the new delay, it is illegal,” reported the Washington Post.
Kawa, along with Judicial Watch, a conservative legal organization, is suing under the Administrative Procedure Act, a bill of rights for those whose affairs are regulated and controlled by administrative agencies.
Kawa said he doesn’t want his money back. He wants something the administration can’t buy.
“I’m suing for the court to declare that the act of Congress (the Affordable Care Act) was real and not something the president can change at will,” he said.
Obamacare expressly states that the employer mandate, or “employer shared responsibility,” applies after Dec. 31, 2013. Other provisions, such as penalties, are specifically tied to that date.
An executive branch delay is an illegal change and a violation of the Constitution‘s separation of powers, critics say.
The White House sees it differently.
“It is preposterous to suggest that a delay in the implementation of a provision within a law is anything unusual,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters after the first delay was announced. “I have several examples here I could provide to you, and numerous more could be provided to you, and they happened under previous administrations and this one.”
Ironically, if the court rules in favor of Kawa Orthodontics, the mandate would go into effect immediately, something wary businesses and the administration don’t want.
However, the fallout could send the law back to Congress for an immediate legislative fix, which the administration is trying to avoid from the outset.
“If President Obama truly wants to fix Obamacare, he will have to go through Congress,” said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
The latest delay reportedly was an attempt to stem voter backlash ahead of the November midterm elections.
Kawa said he doesn’t mix politics with his patients but has received angry emails calling him an “obstructionist.”
“I live in Boca Raton. It’s a small town and it’s unavoidable,” he said.
Kawa says he’s trying to hold the government accountable to its own laws.
“This is a wave that’s washing over us, and a lot of people are just standing there waiting to get wet,” he said. “Some people just don’t appreciate what is happening.”
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It will be interesting to keep an eye open on this.
Thoughts anyone>?


I think this is going to get interesting.

A couple things to ponder:
    The President of the United States is the Executive Branch. What does that mean, though?
      quote:

      Executive -
        Noun
        1. a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authority in an organization.
        2. the person or persons in whom the supreme executive power of a government is vested.
        3. the executive branch of a government.

        Adjective
        4. of, pertaining to, or suited for carrying out plans, duties, etc.: executive ability.
        5. pertaining to or charged with the execution of laws and policies or the administration of public affairs: executive appointments; executive committees.
        6. designed for, used by, or suitable for executives: an executive suite.


Look at definitions #4, and #5. The Executive Branch is tasked with carrying out plans, duties, etc., and/or is charged with executing or administration of the laws and policies of the US Government.

That being said:
    1. Does the President have any power to determine how a new laws is implemented?
    2. Does the President have the power to alter the manner in which any law (not yet implemented, or already implemented) is executed?


Is President Obama (now, and all Presidents in perpetuity, then) strictly bound by the letter of the law, or does the President have leeway to determine how laws are applied?


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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/2/2014 7:31:55 PM   
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The president when he takes office takes an oath that he will faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States.

Delays in a law, when you are fundamentally trying to make a good faith effort to uphold them are one thing.

Obama's lawlessness where he will willie-nillie delay a law for political gain is quite another.

Just like Obama *should* have attempted to defend DOMA - even if it was a law that he disagreed with - because that was his job.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/2/2014 11:02:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
The president when he takes office takes an oath that he will faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States.
Delays in a law, when you are fundamentally trying to make a good faith effort to uphold them are one thing.
Obama's lawlessness where he will willie-nillie delay a law for political gain is quite another.
Just like Obama *should* have attempted to defend DOMA - even if it was a law that he disagreed with - because that was his job.


Article II §1 ends:
    quote:

    Before he [the President] enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


The faithful execution of the Office of President, may include altering implementation of duly passed legislation.

That President Obama chose not to defend DOMA didn't violate his oath with respects to the Constitution, and, it could very well have been faithful execution of the Office of President. That all depends on what his powers and limitations are as it pertains to the Office.

Does a President have the authority to suspend portions of a law? If so, under what reasoning is that allowed (ie. National Defense, undercover operations, etc.)? Can a President suspend portions of a law just because he wants to? Does it matter if the legislation in question is in the process of being rolled out (as opposed to legislation that's been fully implemented already)?

I think this has the makings of a very important case defining the authority of the President.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 4:02:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I think this has the makings of a very important case defining the authority of the President.


No. Not really. Wishful thinking at best.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Is President Obama (now, and all Presidents in perpetuity, then) strictly bound by the letter of the law, or does the President have leeway to determine how laws are applied?


2003, the Bush administration believed it could skirt around laws making it illegal to conduct 'enhanced interrogation techniques' on suspects taken from a 'crime scene' (prisoners tortured in connection to 9/11 and/or Al Qaeda). Unlike President Obama's situation, the ACA is NOT an amendment. So it does beg the question:

If what President Obama is doing is wrong, why was President Bush allowed to violate an even more important law on the books and not held to any level of accountability and responsibility?

I'm surprised you did not look this guy up. His agenda should be plainly obvious to anyone that does. Now what would a President of the PBC Republican Party’s Chairman’s Council have to gain from making President Obama look bad? Can you say 'Politically Motivated'?

Do I really need to bring up why this 'concern citizen' did not call out former President Bush on violation of the 8th amendment violations? I'm going to assume you can put two and two together and arrive at the answer of four.....

The reason why those things got pushed back? Businesses went to President Obama and made their case that there existed numerous problem they were encountering in trying to switch over to the new law in good faith. And the changes were made to compensate American companies. Its really kind of old news to most informed people.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 6:37:22 AM   
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I think this has the makings of a very important case defining the authority of the President.


ARIZONA ET AL. v. UNITED STATES
*NB parts of the decision. This is HELD ... so pay attention to the bold parts, it is caselaw and precedent in accordance with the rule of law, the laws of our land, and our constitutional framework.
Held:
1. The Federal Government’s broad, undoubted power over immigration and alien status rests, in part, on its constitutional power to“establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” Art. I, §8, cl. 4, and onits inherent sovereign power to control and conduct foreign relations, see Toll v. Moreno, 458 U. S. 1, 10. Federal governance is extensive and complex. Among other things, federal law specifies categories of aliens who are ineligible to be admitted to the United States, 8 U. S. C. §1182; requires aliens to register with the Federal Government and to carry proof of status, §§1304(e), 1306(a); imposes sanctions on employers who hire unauthorized workers, §1324a; and specifies which aliens may be removed and the procedures for doing so, see §1227. Removal is a civil matter, and one of its principal features is the broad discretion exercised by immigration officials, who must decide whether to pursue removal at all. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), an agency within the Department of Homeland Security, is responsible for identifying, apprehending, and removing illegal aliens. It also operates the Law Enforcement Support Center,which provides immigration status information to federal, state, and local officials around the clock.
...

Uh, this may not be readily apparent to those who are not of legal bent, and I could hunt cases better, but it is more or less a waste of time, the Supreme Court saying the president has broad discretionary powers.....yadda yadda yadda many times over, and it might clip a asshair here, or a nosehair there, but there will be no far reaching landmark decisions on curtailing the administrative powers of the office of the President.

 

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 7:01:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

The president when he takes office takes an oath that he will faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States.

Delays in a law, when you are fundamentally trying to make a good faith effort to uphold them are one thing.

Obama's lawlessness where he will willie-nillie delay a law for political gain is quite another.

Just like Obama *should* have attempted to defend DOMA - even if it was a law that he disagreed with - because that was his job.




Oh delays in the law.....How unconstitutional and all...

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 9:10:17 AM   
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Gad you are griping about one of the oldest methods of exerting autocratic control this country has.

So many bills passed by congress, or pork barrel addendums to bills, just never ever actually get funded. But, the legislators can point to the bill and say they voted for it. And there is the concept of "unfunded mandate" which is a requirement on paper to do something but no one is going to be paid to actually do it.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 10:47:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
I think this has the makings of a very important case defining the authority of the President.

No. Not really. Wishful thinking at best.


Note that I didn't say "President Obama." I do think this is going to define, to some degree, the authority of the POTUS, now, and in perpetuity. I assume your "[w]ishful thinking" comment was made assuming I meant that it would limit President Obama. If that is correct, you are only correct in that Obama is the current President, but I do believe this could case could have an impact beyond the next 3 years.

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Is President Obama (now, and all Presidents in perpetuity, then) strictly bound by the letter of the law, or does the President have leeway to determine how laws are applied?

2003, the Bush administration believed it could skirt around laws making it illegal to conduct 'enhanced interrogation techniques' on suspects taken from a 'crime scene' (prisoners tortured in connection to 9/11 and/or Al Qaeda). Unlike President Obama's situation, the ACA is NOT an amendment. So it does beg the question:
If what President Obama is doing is wrong, why was President Bush allowed to violate an even more important law on the books and not held to any level of accountability and responsibility?


Seriously? It's okay for Obama because Bush did it? Bush had his Justice Department decide that waterboarding wasn't torture. Therefore, laws preventing torture didn't apply.

quote:

quote:

I'm surprised you did not look this guy up. His agenda should be plainly obvious to anyone that does. Now what would a President of the PBC Republican Party’s Chairman’s Council have to gain from making President Obama look bad? Can you say 'Politically Motivated'?
Do I really need to bring up why this 'concern citizen' did not call out former President Bush on violation of the 8th amendment violations? I'm going to assume you can put two and two together and arrive at the answer of four.....
The reason why those things got pushed back? Businesses went to President Obama and made their case that there existed numerous problem they were encountering in trying to switch over to the new law in good faith. And the changes were made to compensate American companies. Its really kind of old news to most informed people.


It doesn't matter why President Obama pushed back the deadlines. It doesn't matter if it's because Big Business went to him, and he did it to help them. And, it doesn't matter who the guy is bringing the lawsuit.

I stand by my assertion that this could have lasting impact in defining the authorities of the Office of the President of the United States.


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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 11:06:40 AM   
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There will be no ruling on whether or not a President can implement policy by Executive order, the integration of our armed forces was an executive order by Truman, and there were executive orders issued by every president including Washinton on down.  At most what will be decided will be is this specific presidential order within the law, it will be a very narrow ruling. Period.

 

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 11:42:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
The president when he takes office takes an oath that he will faithfully uphold and execute the laws of the United States.
Delays in a law, when you are fundamentally trying to make a good faith effort to uphold them are one thing.
Obama's lawlessness where he will willie-nillie delay a law for political gain is quite another.
Just like Obama *should* have attempted to defend DOMA - even if it was a law that he disagreed with - because that was his job.


Article II §1 ends:
    quote:

    Before he [the President] enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

    "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


The faithful execution of the Office of President, may include altering implementation of duly passed legislation.

That President Obama chose not to defend DOMA didn't violate his oath with respects to the Constitution, and, it could very well have been faithful execution of the Office of President. That all depends on what his powers and limitations are as it pertains to the Office.

Does a President have the authority to suspend portions of a law? If so, under what reasoning is that allowed (ie. National Defense, undercover operations, etc.)? Can a President suspend portions of a law just because he wants to? Does it matter if the legislation in question is in the process of being rolled out (as opposed to legislation that's been fully implemented already)?

I think this has the makings of a very important case defining the authority of the President.

US Constitution
Article 2
Section 3: Presidential responsibilities

"He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."

Please point out where in the above the president may alter implementing, or alter anything else, a duly enacted law?

That pResident Obama chose not to defend DOMA, a duly enacted law, did in fact violate his oath with respect to his responsibilities under Article 2, Section 3 of the U,S. Constitution (above).

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 11:59:05 AM   
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Well, what law has he altered? Show me.

And secondly he preserves protects and defends the constitution, not the unconstitutional laws made by the legislature.  They are by definition not constitutional and not laws.

Of course, we haven't shot Bush, Reagan, or any other lawless presidents yet, have we?

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:26:05 PM   
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A president wouldn't sign into law a law that he thought was unconstitutional, right? So once signed in, its law.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:40:24 PM   
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Oh sure he would, look at what the nutsackers are doing all the time.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:48:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
US Constitution
Article 2
Section 3: Presidential responsibilities
"He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States."
Please point out where in the above the president may alter implementing, or alter anything else, a duly enacted law?
That pResident Obama chose not to defend DOMA, a duly enacted law, did in fact violate his oath with respect to his responsibilities under Article 2, Section 3 of the U,S. Constitution (above).


That all depends on what is determined to be "faithful execution."


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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:50:07 PM   
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and what is take Care.

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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:50:59 PM   
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A president wouldn't sign into law a law that he thought was unconstitutional, right? So once signed in, its law.


Plenty of laws have been signed in, that were determined to be unConstitutional.

Obama signed the ACA into law, and it contained an unConstitutional section.

I agree that DOMA isn't Constitutional, yet it was signed into law.




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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 12:52:10 PM   
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The war powers act is clearly unconstitutional, yet it has stood for lo, these many years.



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RE: Orthodontist takes on Obamacare executive orders in... - 3/3/2014 1:50:56 PM   
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A president wouldn't sign into law a law that he thought was unconstitutional, right? So once signed in, its law.

W signed many laws that he said unconstitutionally restricted his powers and that he would ignore. Kind of blows a hole in that nonsense doesn't it.

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