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cloudboy -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/13/2014 2:37:51 PM)
It is Soviet Style Television. The left has it's incantation, too, but usually such outlets are pitching as low as Fox. Roger Ailes came from the TV industry, not news or journalism.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/14/2014 5:54:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Someone not wanting to potentially risk putting themselves in danger is nothing more than being whiny. I'm going to go out on a limb and figure they don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks of their decision, so long as they feel safe. Assuming that they actually exist, which hasn't been proven. As I've said, that's more often the case with unnamed sources at NI than them giving a flying fuck about protecting anybody. You prefer to think otherwise, presumably because you're terrified of union members. I'm not terrified of union members. I work in a union shop. I count three of the union stewards as good work friends. If I have questions, I have no problem going to them. I never said the people definitely exist. I acknowledged the uncertainty included in not naming names. You would rather assume the worst. If you notice, every time I mention the UAW's reputation for being thugs, I also include a phrase like "accurate or not." I don't even assume the UAW's reputation is accurate.

Moonhead -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/14/2014 11:48:51 AM)
So somebody's going to be so terrified of an unverified reputation that they won't identify themselves? I'm sorry, but that stinks of shennanigans to me. (And I would rather "assume the worst" because I've read the red tops over here, and the worst is always correct. I see no reason why Fox would be a more reliable source than the Mail or the Telegraph, frankly.)

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/14/2014 3:14:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead So somebody's going to be so terrified of an unverified reputation that they won't identify themselves? I'm sorry, but that stinks of shennanigans to me. (And I would rather "assume the worst" because I've read the red tops over here, and the worst is always correct. I see no reason why Fox would be a more reliable source than the Mail or the Telegraph, frankly.) I'm sure it will stink of shenanigans to you, unless it's for a cause you agree with. It also doesn't matter one bit what you think, as it's not your safety that may or may not be compromised. You get to choose what to do with your life, your statements, and your opinions. They get to choose what to do with theirs. Your omniscience aside, unless you are in or around that area in TN, the people there just might have an itsy bitsy, teeny weeny bit more information than you from which to draw their experiences from.

joether -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 3:12:45 AM)
The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 5:18:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. What would the complaint be that will be taken to the NLRB?

thishereboi -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 5:43:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. Wow, good news for a change. Thanks for the link.

joether -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 1:48:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. What would the complaint be that will be taken to the NLRB? I'm speculating that the UAW would argue that Republicans and anti-union people/organizations made threats that were both real and easy to link in historical records. Find a couple of individuals that testify in court they were threaten financially or physically if they did not 'comply' with the anti-union groups and/or Republicans. That would be my best guess. Since its the UAW making the accusation, they would have to come up with the burden of proof to show wrong doing. I'm not informed on the exact legal laws concerning another vote to allow a union within the work shop. How much time must past before such a vote could take place?

DomKen -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 3:46:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. Wow, good news for a change. Thanks for the link. It's good news that a group of workers were bullied into acting against there best interests and the express wishes of their employer?

DomKen -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 3:47:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. What would the complaint be that will be taken to the NLRB? It's illegal for anyone to threaten retaliation against workers who unionize.

sloguy02246 -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 4:14:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether I'm not informed on the exact legal laws concerning another vote to allow a union within the work shop. How much time must past before such a vote could take place? After an election where the outcome was to remain without a union, there cannot be another representation election for one year.

cloudboy -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 4:17:07 PM)
BTW: the New Yorker had a brilliant article comparing Roger Ailes to William R. Hearst. One point of the article was that hating-on and disapproving of Hearst and yellow journalism missed the point. Hearst was merely giving a large segment of Americans exactly what they wanted. In 1935 radio broadcaster Raymond Gram said, "People are not cable of of disliking the lower middle class in toto, since it is a formidable tax on their emotions, can detest Hearst instead." Ailes haters take note -- points out the critic.

dcnovice -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 4:17:57 PM)
That was a great article!

cloudboy -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 4:26:31 PM)
One counter intuitive fact from the article is how the rise of the right wing media has coincided with a failure of the right to win the US Presidency. Between 1952 - 1988 during the era of the Fairness Doctrine Republicans won the Presidency in 7 out of 10 elections. Since that time they have only won 3 elections out of 7. My favorite quote from the article was: Well-reported news is a public good; bad news is bad for everyone.

Pedestrian -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/15/2014 6:07:29 PM)
[Waiting for approval]

thishereboi -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/16/2014 5:48:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. Wow, good news for a change. Thanks for the link. It's good news that a group of workers were bullied into acting against there best interests and the express wishes of their employer? I understand that some people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that not everyone wants to belong to a union. But that seems to be the case. When the union got voted out of the Nissan plant they tried to claim that they lost because Nissan didn't get behind them. This time they had VW behind them and assumed that meant they would win. I guess they were wrong. The workers have spoken with their vote and that should be the end of it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/16/2014 6:17:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: joether The Update. Unlike the FOX 'journalist' this one gives a better understanding of things including the events afterward. I'll place it as a reasonable guess the UAW will take the issue up with the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in the not to distant future. An the management of Volkswagen must not be all that happy either with the outcome. What would the complaint be that will be taken to the NLRB? I'm speculating that the UAW would argue that Republicans and anti-union people/organizations made threats that were both real and easy to link in historical records. Find a couple of individuals that testify in court they were threaten financially or physically if they did not 'comply' with the anti-union groups and/or Republicans. That would be my best guess. Since its the UAW making the accusation, they would have to come up with the burden of proof to show wrong doing. I'm not informed on the exact legal laws concerning another vote to allow a union within the work shop. How much time must past before such a vote could take place? I wonder if they'll name the people who will claim they were threatened. [:D] All the articles I read about the vote result seem to make this to be a very, very bad thing for the UAW, as it pertains to Southern states (note that I went to Yahoo! for links to articles, not any news outlet). That management was very supportive of the UAW and the workers still voted it down is said to be very bad, as it's unlikely there will be any other plants as supportive as this one was.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/16/2014 6:21:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen It's good news that a group of workers were bullied into acting against there best interests and the express wishes of their employer? It's illegal for anyone to threaten retaliation against workers who unionize. Who threatened retaliation? Proof of bullying? How is it that if workers vote to unionize against the express wishes of their employer (and sometimes against their best long run interests), that it's a good thing, but when workers vote down unionization against the express wishes of their employer (and could still end up being in their best interests), it's a bad thing? Isn't it a good thing that the majority of workers are getting their way, regardless of how the unionization vote went? Or, is it just that the union was voted down, and you don't give a fuck about what the majority of workers actually wanted?

DomKen -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/16/2014 6:57:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen It's good news that a group of workers were bullied into acting against there best interests and the express wishes of their employer? It's illegal for anyone to threaten retaliation against workers who unionize. Who threatened retaliation? various Republican politicians.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Fox New's 'truthful' and 'honest' reporting... (2/16/2014 10:21:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen It's good news that a group of workers were bullied into acting against there best interests and the express wishes of their employer? It's illegal for anyone to threaten retaliation against workers who unionize. Who threatened retaliation? various Republican politicians. Retaliation? How so?

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