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jlf1961 -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 5:42:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

People from populations traditionally seen as incubators for TB etc. have been moving around the world for many, many decades, and TB was almost eradicated, not that long ago.

Now it's widespread again, due to human superstition and stubbornness.

That isn't purely down to the anti vaccine cuntbubbles, though: the antibiotic immune strains that have been emerging for a decade or so are more to do with fuckwits who can't be bothered to finish a course of tablets once their symptoms have vanished breeding superior forms of TB.



This is talking about preventable diseases caused by viruses, bacteria infections that require the use of antibiotics are not preventable through vaccine, although there are some diseases like anthrax that can be prevented with certain drugs, but anthrax is transmitted by spores.




Moonhead -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 5:47:22 AM)

The antibiotic resistant strains of TB were bred by idiots starting courses of antibiotics, then coming off said medication before the disease was completely wiped out. You wouldn't have said the fact that there are now flavours of TB that laugh in the face of the antibiotics traditionally used to treat that disease is another argument in favour of vaccination programmes for TB?




vincentML -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 6:26:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

She definitely supports spiritual healing.
http://io9.com/do-jenny-mccarthys-antivax-views-stem-from-the-indigo-822860421


Her website has some weird shit like "mitochondrial dysfunction is associated with speech difficulties." But the article you linked starts with a question and never gets around to quite answering it. A lot of innuendo and "guilt" by association.




vincentML -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 6:28:57 AM)

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Anti-vax stands on its own as a crackpot movement without any help from spiritual healing. Mummsy and Daddsy may dabble in homeopathy and fengshui, but they still get their Botox and Viagra and valium. It's just that their precious little muffin must be allowed to go to school and infect as many of the other kids as possible, because muffin is... well, just super special don't you see?

The creeps I've run into may not represent everyone who won't vaccinate, but they fell well within the overlap of vegan, midwifery, breastfeeding 10 year olds, Deepaking, $120 yoga matting, bottled boutique water ignorati.

And not in a good way.

Yeah. I have had similar encounters. Your characterization strikes a familiar chord.




EdBowie -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 4:12:40 PM)

That's true, that iceberg was looming before the rise in the anti-vax movement.


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

People from populations traditionally seen as incubators for TB etc. have been moving around the world for many, many decades, and TB was almost eradicated, not that long ago.

Now it's widespread again, due to human superstition and stubbornness.

That isn't purely down to the anti vaccine cuntbubbles, though: the antibiotic immune strains that have been emerging for a decade or so are more to do with fuckwits who can't be bothered to finish a course of tablets once their symptoms have vanished breeding superior forms of TB.





Rule -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 5:45:12 PM)

I am of two minds. On the one hand there is polio, which is a horrible disease and its consequences can afflict people for life. Then there are the hepatitis and herpes viruses. I have a herpes virus myself and suffer a lot because of it. But I also know that populations benefit from such sexually or amorously transmitted diseases.

What kills or afflicts part of the population ensures that future generations of the population will be healthier and stronger.

On the other hand there are all sorts of autoimmune diseases that only presented in the last couple of centuries - after vaccinations were introduced.

All things considered, with a bleeding heart for the victims, such as myself, I am more opposed to vaccinations than I am in favour of them.




tj444 -> RE: I wish to thank (1/28/2014 8:41:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
For most of us, measles and whooping cough are diseases of the past. You get a few shots as a kid and then hardly think about them again.

well,.. I have gotten some booster vaccinations as an adult.. I wonder how many people think they are just for kids & so haven't.. [8|]

"12 Reasons Why Adults Need Vaccines
Vaccines aren't just for kids. Here's why grown-ups need them, too.
12 Reasons
The best reasons to get vaccinated are to protect yourself and to protect the people around you. The details:

1. You may no longer be protected. You may have received a vaccine as a child. But some vaccines require a booster if you want to remain protected. Protection may not be life-long for diseases like pertussis (whooping cough) or tetanus, which is usually given with the diphtheria toxoid. The CDC recommends a booster for the latter every 10 years after an initial childhood series.

2. Getting vaccines helps protect your kids -- especially babies too young for vaccines. Whooping cough vaccines are recommended for pregnant women (preferably between 27 and 36 weeks' gestation) and people who have contact with young babies. The same is true for the flu vaccine. There’s no flu vaccine licensed for infants younger than 6 months old. “We call that creating a cocoon of protection around the baby,” Schaffner says.

3. Some vaccines are just for adults. The shingles vaccine is a good example. Shingles (also known as herpes zoster or zoster) is caused by a reactivation of the chickenpox virus. It can cause a severe and painful skin rash. The risk for shingles increases as a person ages. The vaccine is recommended for adults 60 and older.

4. You may need them when you travel. Headed to the developing world? You may run into illnesses you’d never find at home. The yellow fever vaccination is required for travel to parts of sub-Saharan Africa and tropical South America. The Saudi Arabian government also requires the meningococcal vaccination -- but only for travel during the hajj, or annual pilgrimage to Mecca. You can check the CDC's web site for details about what you may need for your destination.

5. Everyone needs a flu vaccine, every year. The CDC recommends that everyone 6 months of age and older get a flu vaccine annually if they do not have a medical reason not to receive the vaccine. Each year’s vaccination is designed to protect against the three or four strains of influenza anticipated to be most commonly circulated in the upcoming flu season.

6. Your kids have set an example. Most children don’t have a choice about getting shots. But why should they be the only one getting stuck with a needle? Want to show them that prevention through vaccination works? “Mom, dad, grandma, and grandpa should get their vaccinations just as children do,” Schaffner says.

7. You didn’t get fully vaccinated as a child. Not everyone was, or is, fully vaccinated as a child. If you didn’t get vaccines for things like measles, mumps, and rubella or chickenpox (or varicella) as a child -- or any of those diseases themselves -- you need them as an adult. And don’t forget. Some older adults were born at a time when children weren’t vaccinated “as comprehensively as we vaccinate people today,” Schaffner says.

8. Newer vaccines have been developed. Some vaccinations recommended for adults are fairly new. For instance, the FDA approved the first HPV vaccine and shingles vaccine in 2006. Although the rate of adults being vaccinated with newer vaccines is increasing, awareness remains a challenge, Wharton says.

9. You’re going back to college. The downturn has forced many adults back to school. But many colleges require proof of routine vaccinations. You may not have those records. Your parents may not have those records. And your childhood doctor may no longer be practicing. It’s OK to repeat a vaccine. But, Wharton says, it’s “a hassle and cost” that could be prevented by keeping good records.

10. You work in the health care profession. Health care providers are exposed to all sorts of potential infections, as well as blood and bodily fluids. Most are required to have not only a complete vaccination series and evidence of immunity, but also to get annual influenza vaccination. This includes things like measles, mumps, rubella (MMR), and hepatitis B.

11. You’re sexually active with a number of partners. The hepatitis B vaccine is highly recommended. Hepatitis B can be transmitted from person to person through contact with blood, semen, and vaginal fluid. It is 50-100 times more easily to be infected by hepatitis B than by HIV. Your partner may not appear ill, but could be carrying the disease.

12. You have asthma, heart, lung disease, diabetes, or other chronic disease. Or you smoke cigarettes. Or your immune system is otherwise compromised. The pneumococcal vaccine helps prevent serious disease such as pneumonia, meningitis, and blood infection caused by the bacterium Streptococcus pneumoniae. Get it because you may be at increased risk for these infections, Schaffner says. "


http://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/why-adults-need-vaccines




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