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How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 7:39:10 AM

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In a Supreme Court argument on wednesday he Justices tried to arrive at a monetary valuation on the culpability of one Doyle R.Paroline towards a woman who suffered thru a rape at the age of 8......a rape that was filmed and disseminated on the web.
Mr Paroline was.apparently one of the many viewers.....the victims lawyers are seeking a finding that would leave Doyle on the hook for 3.4 million
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/23/us/justices-struggle-to-determine-restitution-over-child-pornography.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0

So how much should he be responsible for ?

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 7:51:46 AM

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My apologies...I did a piss poor job of cobbling together the above OP...please read the article and please do reply with your opinions....which is what I was seeking in the first place

note to self: never ever post till AFTER you have finished your morning coffee

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 1:43:47 PM

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If the accused was the one doing the filming and or distribution, they should bleed him dry. If he bought it after the fact, they should bleed him dry.

That poor child.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 1:54:55 PM

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It's an interesting case. Consider this alternative situation. An adult woman, 100% consensually, sends her boyfriend a naked picture, with the understanding that he will never show it to anyone. They later break up, and he, in a douchebag move, posts the photo on the internet. Time goes by, and I eventually see the photo, like it, and masturbate to it.

Does my action demean her? Does it cause her damage? Should I be liable? What is different between the child abuse situation and the situation I'm describing?

I don't think the general situation is cut and dried.

In her specific case, she's a "celebrity" former-child among pedos, and men have stalked her, found her address, threatened to visit her, etc. So I think there's a decent chance the guy will be found liable for some kind of damages, because there's more than just possessing photos going on.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 2:08:10 PM

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.....Does my action demean her? Does it cause her damage? Should I be liable? What is different between the child abuse situation and the situation I'm describing?

I don't think the general situation is cut and dried.

In her specific case, she's a "celebrity" former-child among pedos, and men have stalked her, found her address, threatened to visit her, etc. So I think there's a decent chance the guy will be found liable for some kind of damages, because there's more than just possessing photos going on.

Nothing is cut and dried, I know.

The adult woman misplaced her trust. The first victim in question had no choice. This is apples and oranges, to me.

Losing your virginity via rape and on camera is poles apart from the second instance. Knowing that any stranger you pass on the street might have seen it? Knowing that people got off on what must have been struggling, and screaming and crying by perpetrators who should have protected her, vs victimizing her? As the credit card commercials say, "Priceless". She can never be compensated for what she is truly owed.

Is the guy responsible for disseminating those images? Fry him.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 2:46:34 PM

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I was just thinking about the "joint and several" liability rule. I am not surprised that the article mentions it. It basically means that if someone has been harmed by multiple people they only have to sue one defendant and recover losses from that one. The defendant can then sue the others who are liable to recoup his losses.

This man should pay the full 3.4 million in restitution and then he can go find everyone else who viewed the images and get his money back from them.

I am trying to be fair and impartial to a man that possessed over 200 images of children being sexually abused.
I am failing.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 2:49:33 PM

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Ja, I would say in cases like this, you are at risk for buying the whole corn dog. Fuck ya.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 2:52:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY

I was just thinking about the "joint and several" liability rule. I am not surprised that the article mentions it. It basically means that if someone has been harmed by multiple people they only have to sue one defendant and recover losses from that one. The defendant can then sue the others who are liable to recoup his losses.

This man should pay the full 3.4 million in restitution and then he can go find everyone else who viewed the images and get his money back from them.

I am trying to be fair and impartial to a man that possessed over 200 images of children being sexually abused.
I am failing.

The above sounds about right to me

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 4:03:25 PM

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Even if this scumbag is not the one who raped her or filmed it, he is part of the demand that results in the supply.

Bleed the mother fucker dry and throw him in prison. If anyone else is found watching that video, do the same.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 4:20:36 PM

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It feels almost dirty to be discussing the reparations due to this women in cold hard dollars and cents. Yet having said that, we must also recognise that this is the accepted medium of restitution in our societies.

So your suggestion that this person pay the $3.4 million, and if he has any issues with that, he can sue the other consumers of this video for restitution sounds fair to me. If anything it's too fair to this monster. Those who ruin and devastate the lives of others can hardly complain when they are forced to receive some of the treatment they gratuitously dish out.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 9:30:40 PM

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Justice Ginsburg noted that the man who assaulted Amy, her uncle, had been made to pay her just $6,325. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

“If there’s any kind of proportionality,” she said, “it seems that the possessor of two images should not be responsible for more than the person who perpetrated this horrendous crime.”

I have to agree with this...

Having said that, I also think the original judgement against the uncle was clearly a travesty of justice. Anyone who would do that to a child should just be taken out the back door and shot.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 9:49:13 PM

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It's perpetuation, driving the motive. He should hang & fry.
What a twatwaffle.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/23/2014 11:53:15 PM

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quote:

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Justice Ginsburg noted that the man who assaulted Amy, her uncle, had been made to pay her just $6,325. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

“If there’s any kind of proportionality,” she said, “it seems that the possessor of two images should not be responsible for more than the person who perpetrated this horrendous crime.”

I have to agree with this...

Having said that, I also think the original judgement against the uncle was clearly a travesty of justice. Anyone who would do that to a child should just be taken out the back door and shot.

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Depends what the restitution of $6,325 was for if this damages originated by the knowledge the video is viral in the pedophile's community and the first restitution was for the phisical injuries than you have a new case, and a new restitution to determinate, I don't know if you have this possibility but the uncle should be a codefendant also in this case for me.
I have also to say that 6 grands as restitution for a rape is a joke it should around the bilion.

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RE: How much is she owed ? How much is he responsible for - 1/24/2014 12:02:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

It's an interesting case. Consider this alternative situation. An adult woman, 100% consensually, sends her boyfriend a naked picture, with the understanding that he will never show it to anyone. They later break up, and he, in a douchebag move, posts the photo on the internet. Time goes by, and I eventually see the photo, like it, and masturbate to it.

Does my action demean her? Does it cause her damage? Should I be liable? What is different between the child abuse situation and the situation I'm describing?

yes, not in an active way, no because you didn't do anything illegal, possessing child pornography is illegal.
By the way I think the site owner is respnsible for not checking the images where consensual, in this case the users where also the distributors and this makes them responsible, and it was obvious there could not be consensuality as the girl was 8.

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