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kalikshama -> House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:34:06 AM)

Is the article title the actual consequence of the bill, or just hyperbole?

House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims

House Republicans are currently advancing the “No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act,” or HR 7, a measure that would impose sweeping restrictions on abortion coverage that could make the procedure less affordable for Americans across the country. In addition to preventing low-income women from using their Medicaid coverage to access abortion, HR 7 could also have dramatic implications for the tax code and the private insurance market. One of its most controversial provisions could actually require the Internal Revenue Service to conduct audits of rape victims.

Why? Because HR 7 eliminates medical-expense deductions for abortion care, essentially raising taxes on the women who opt to have an abortion. Like many abortion restrictions, this provision includes an exemption for victims of rape and incest, as well as women who encounter life-threatening complications from their pregnancies. But in order to enforce those exceptions, the IRS would have to verify that the women who are claiming a medical-expense deduction for an abortion fall into one of those three categories, to ensure they’re not committing tax fraud.

Essentially, that would empower the government agency to have the final say over what “counts” as a sexual assault or a life-threatening situation. And that, in turn, would force victims to prove their case.

“Imagine having to recount a sexual assault — a horrifyingly painful, personal experience — to a tax collector,” NARAL Pro-Choice America says in an action alert to its members to encourage them to mobilize against HR 7. “An anti-choice bill in Congress would do just that. It could force sexual assault survivors who access abortion care to prove the assault occurred.”

That certainly sounds horrific. However, it’s important to remember that HR 7 is hardly the only piece of anti-choice legislation that sets up this dynamic.

The biggest political controversies over abortion policies throughout the past year have centered on rape victims, highlighting the anti-abortion laws that don’t extend any exceptions to them. It’s easy to see why the pro-choice community focuses on leveraging the outrage surrounding rape and abortion. Voters overwhelmingly favor legal abortion access for individuals who have become pregnant from rape, and policies that don’t fall in line with that seem especially callous.

But even when abortion restrictions do include some kind rape exception, as HR 7 does, the issues don’t end there. Exceptions for rape victims have some unintended consequences. They require some kind of system to separate the women who have become pregnant from sexual assault from the other women who want to end a pregnancy for a different reason. They essentially necessitate “rape audits.”

And in states across the country, that’s exactly what’s already occurring. The audits aren’t being conducted by the IRS, but they are being conducted by state officials.

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/16/3167301/taxpayer-funding-abortion-rape-irs/




mnottertail -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:36:29 AM)

More dogshit the senate wont take up, so that the nutsackers don't have to admit their fiscal, monetary and economic ineptitude.




Lucylastic -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:55:23 AM)

scummy fuckers




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 1:51:54 PM)

Ya know...if the Radicals ever do gain a sweep in Washington, they will no doubt enact all their psychodrama, this country will be in desperate straits.
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Theservileone -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 2:08:40 PM)

Auditing rape victims? My god this country is on the high way to hell.




cloudboy -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 3:16:53 PM)


I'm sure that forcing single, low income women into motherhood is a cornerstone to their overall anti-poverty campaign.




EdBowie -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 5:17:19 PM)

Don't you understand? They are working to fix the population shortage crisis looming over the whole planet...

[8|]




subrob1967 -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 10:24:06 PM)

FR You people ALREADY empowered the government when you cheered on Obama and his ACA, now you wanna whine because the Republicans want to use the IRS the same fucking way Obama and the Democrats have?

Wow just wow...




EdBowie -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 10:48:06 PM)

The government was entirely powerless, and no one had their rights taken away by the government until Obama came along?

Do you really think that there is a single person here dumb enough to fall for that?

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

FR You people ALREADY empowered the government when you cheered on Obama and his ACA, now you wanna whine because the Republicans want to use the IRS the same fucking way Obama and the Democrats have?

Wow just wow...





DaddySatyr -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 10:49:46 PM)

I remember a few people lauding the fact that the IRS was targeting certain specific groups.

I guess it's only the groups of which they disapprove. Sounds like the premise behind the (A)merican (C)ommunist (L)iberties (U)nion.

Connection? You betcha!







EdBowie -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 10:52:39 PM)

Not one single conservative group trying to get their political action committees registered as non-profits was turned down.

Got any more 'Wolf!!'?


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I remember a few people lauding the fact that the IRS was targeting certain specific groups.

I guess it's only the groups of which they disapprove. Sounds like the premise behind the (A)merican (C)ommunist (L)iberties (U)nion.

Connection? You betcha!









tj444 -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:02:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
But even when abortion restrictions do include some kind rape exception, as HR 7 does, the issues don’t end there. Exceptions for rape victims have some unintended consequences. They require some kind of system to separate the women who have become pregnant from sexual assault from the other women who want to end a pregnancy for a different reason. They essentially necessitate “rape audits.”

And in states across the country, that’s exactly what’s already occurring. The audits aren’t being conducted by the IRS, but they are being conducted by state officials.


so then what ever happened to health/medical privacy laws in this country? [8|]




AurumCaminus -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:09:41 PM)

This is exactly why having health care overseen by government funding policy is a bad idea. Social politics being played out with our medical care is the inevitable result.

Add to that enforcement via the tax code and the most intimate health decisions of our lives will be bound at gunpoint with red tape.

Which is precisely why I don't want this law and believe that it should be repealed in its entirety.




DaddySatyr -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:25:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Not one single conservative group trying to get their political action committees registered as non-profits was turned down.

Got any more 'Wolf!!'?



It's always problematic, when someone else makes my point for me.

I take it your assertion is that since the "conservative" groups only received "a little extra scrutiny" (when talking about the IRS, that phrase translates to "audit") and eventually got what they sought, all is right with the world?

Okay so, these rape victims, will just receive "a little extra scrutiny" and, as long as they have dotted their "I"s and crossed their "T"s, correctly. They'll get what they want.

Seems like the precedent that was established by ofailure and his pablum-puking minions almost a year ago.

Reap what you sow.







DomKen -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/17/2014 11:41:00 PM)

What a load of nonsense.

Any group applying for non profit status is supposed to be scrutinized. A political group applying for a status not meant for political groups certainly merits more scrutiny, arguably the law says they should all have been denied.

Trying to ban insurance coverage of abortions is just more social warfare crap in lieu of House Republicans doing their jobs.




cloudboy -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/18/2014 5:26:48 PM)


He also argued that Nelson Mandela was a black supremacist.

He also seems to be in favor of huge outside money and rich guys gaming elections while hiding behind the shield of a social welfare organization.




EdBowie -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/18/2014 11:14:24 PM)

Are you claiming that the rape victims applied to the government asking to be raped, and the scrutiny is part of the application process?

Or were you simply making a false equivalency?


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Not one single conservative group trying to get their political action committees registered as non-profits was turned down.

Got any more 'Wolf!!'?



It's always problematic, when someone else makes my point for me.

I take it your assertion is that since the "conservative" groups only received "a little extra scrutiny" (when talking about the IRS, that phrase translates to "audit") and eventually got what they sought, all is right with the world?

Okay so, these rape victims, will just receive "a little extra scrutiny" and, as long as they have dotted their "I"s and crossed their "T"s, correctly. They'll get what they want.

Seems like the precedent that was established by ofailure and his pablum-puking minions almost a year ago.

Reap what you sow.









SadistDave -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/19/2014 2:29:09 AM)

I don't see what the issue is here.

The bill isn't banning abortion. It's not even saying that tax payers won't pay for abortions if a woman is raped. It's just saying that women can't just go in willy-nilly claiming they were raped if they expect taxpayers to provide one.

An active police investigation that includes a previously collected forensic "rape-kit" would probably be ample evidence of a rape. All an alleged victim would have to do is provide a case number and wait for the government to check on the claim. The only difference between this and a waiting period for a firearm is that the overwhelming majority of gun owners are not applying for government money to murder the unborn.

-SD-




DaddySatyr -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/19/2014 7:44:27 AM)

Straw-manning with a question mark on it is still straw-manning but, nice try.

No. I will explain it for those that are having a hard time reading for understanding:

Some (so-called) "conservative PACs" wanted tax-exempt status. The IRS, under orders from President Embarrassment, audited any group that had certain words in its name.

YOUR contention is that that's fine, as long as, in the end, they got their tax-exempt status.

Now, we have pregnant ladies who were raped. They want abortions. All the government wants to do is look into the cases and make sure that these ladies really were raped before doling out tax payer money to end an innocent life. In the end, these ladies (and the Pablum-pukers) will get what they want.

No false equivalency, at all. A group of people are having to jump through a couple of extra hoops to get a government hand-out.

It's a shame, Ed. Your sig line belies your behavior. It seems like you're ALWAYS spoiling for a fight and when you can't find one, you'll try to Strawman one. Bless your heart!





quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Are you claiming that the rape victims applied to the government asking to be raped, and the scrutiny is part of the application process?

Or were you simply making a false equivalency?





njlauren -> RE: House Republicans Are Pushing A Bill That Would Force The IRS To Audit Rape Victims (1/19/2014 9:26:39 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

quote:

ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Not one single conservative group trying to get their political action committees registered as non-profits was turned down.

Got any more 'Wolf!!'?



It's always problematic, when someone else makes my point for me.

I take it your assertion is that since the "conservative" groups only received "a little extra scrutiny" (when talking about the IRS, that phrase translates to "audit") and eventually got what they sought, all is right with the world?

Okay so, these rape victims, will just receive "a little extra scrutiny" and, as long as they have dotted their "I"s and crossed their "T"s, correctly. They'll get what they want.

Seems like the precedent that was established by ofailure and his pablum-puking minions almost a year ago.

Reap what you sow.







Of course, what this also leaves out is that when congress came up with the idiotic tax code that allowed advocacy groups to set up organizations ostensibly for 'social reasons' that were not tied to a candidate or political party, for advocacy (ie. all the hundreds of millions the Koch brothers spend trying to force their John Birch society views on things on everyone else), they made the IRS the ones who had to decide what was legitimate and what wasn't. The reason the IRS audited them was they needed to make sure that the money wasn't being used for political campaigns or to support candidates, because it was tax exempt...the reason being that tax exempt groups are not allowed to be aligned with political parties or work for candidates, it is no different than for other non profits, and is there to protect non profits, ironically....

What the GOP shitheads want to do is force their anti abortion Jesus freak beliefs through a back door, they know that most Americans don't support their idiotic agenda, so they try and backdoor it.

First of all, medicaid does not pay for abortions, federal money has been denied for abortions since the Reagan years, The Hyde amendment banned it, so this has nothing to do with Obama care (by the way, for my friend who didn't seem to know, under Obamacare the plans are from private insurers, all Obamacare did was establish a system where people could shop for plans, the federal government doesn't provide the coverage).

What the GOP is trying to do is extend the hyde amendment to all health coverage. Right now, companies can deduct the cost of health insurance premiums and employee contributions are done before taxes, what the GOP is doing is saying since they have tax deferred status, then they can't pay for abortions.......

It won't get anywhere, I don't think even as much of a pile of rat turds as John Boehner is, he would let this come up for a vote, I think he has finally realized that his and the GOP kowtowing to the religious wrong and to the tea party types has hurt them big time, and most of the country is not like their carefully elected districts in the hookwork and farm belt or the entire state of Texas, that most people are tired of the religious reich and the tea party morons.Still, it kind of belies what conservatives try to claim, how Obama is about taking away our rights and how the GOP represents freedom, it is ironic that on a board that is all about personal freedom, we have those advocating for a political party that is all about taking away those freedoms, especially when it comes to sexuality. If the GOP had its way, the internet would be censored and boards like this would be illegal, gays would be rounded up and put in concentration camps, women would be home barefoot and pregnant or resigned to being secretaries and school teachers, divorce would be next to impossible except if the husband wanted it, rape would be exceedingly difficult to prove (and if it were the husband, couldn't be charged with rape).....this is freedom?




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