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On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 3:54:49 PM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		The Christie-thugery-change-the-subject knee jerk reactions got me wondering....


Shouldn`t the Benghazi-entranced, at the very least, explain what it is they are talking about, what specific wrong-doing was/is alleged to have been done, what were laws broken, etc?


Especially if they`re going to mention Benghazi at every opportunity?


Do we really have to just take their word that there`s something there but they just can`t tell us?


To date ,more that a year after the terrorist attack, we still have not heard a compelling case.....or really anything coherent.


We all know the republicans, they wouldn`t hold back a piece of evidence or cover for the President.


If they really did have some damming evidence of wrong doing, crimes etc. (like Bridgegate ),surely they would present it.


It couldn`t be simpler. If there was some real evidence, the rightists wouldn`t have to manufacture fake evidence or play coy about what happened .


Isn`t it up to the accuser(s) to make the case?


Any-who....


The major fluff-turned-blue-balls dick-punch the cons went through when the 60 minutes piece , was really, really fun to watch....and only reinforces the desperate/lost/needs to get a life image Obama-
haters have



http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/430355/november-11-2013/-60-minutes--benghazi-controversy



To hear the fox-asses gloating about their vindication .....to only then be slapped back into their embarrassments was just killer.



"so CBS news fact-checked the story but when it turned out to be wrong, they fact-checked it "for-realz ya`ll"


http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/430356/november-11-2013/-60-minutes--benghazi-controversy---poncho-denews--bogus-bombshell










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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 4:45:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		It isn't about making a case, it is about the Big Lie.

It is simply another manufactured scandal like Rev Wright, the 'Kill Whitey' video, all the photoshopped pictures of the President, the birther nonsense, blaming Hurricane Katrina and 9/11 on Obama, Umbrella Gate, the fake WWII Memorial story, the Museum of Muslim Culture, the 200 million dollar a day trips to France, the outrage that Obama wasn't at Arlington when he was, the hoax IRS scandal, and so on and so on.

All that is required is to make the accusation, and then demand that others prove a negative, before running away to cry 'Wolf!' again.

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 4:47:35 PM   
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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 5:47:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since nothing happened in Benghazi, why did Obama promise to bring those responsible to justice ? This must have been another 'promise zone'...

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:19:00 PM   
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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:25:27 PM   
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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:26:12 PM   
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The Christie-thugery-change-the-subject knee jerk reactions got me wondering....


Since I've been talking about Benghazi - well.. since Benghazi - it can hardly be a knee jerk reaction to Christie now can it.

Frankly, if Christie is guilty, I hope he's caught. Sadly, you dims won't say the same for Clinton on Benghazi.

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:28:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since no one ever claimed that nothing happened in Benghazi, why did you just make that up? You think the graves of 4 dead Americans are simply a convenient platform to obscure the truth from?






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Since nothing happened in Benghazi, why did Obama promise to bring those responsible to justice ? This must have been another 'promise zone'...



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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:29:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

The Christie-thugery-change-the-subject knee jerk reactions got me wondering....


Since I've been talking about Benghazi - well.. since Benghazi - it can hardly be a knee jerk reaction to Christie now can it.

Frankly, if Christie is guilty, I hope he's caught. Sadly, you dims won't say the same for Clinton on Benghazi.



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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:32:07 PM   
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For what?


I`m guessing it was the Obama endorsement/mittin-diss that turned your favorite to the RINO....,Yes?

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:36:43 PM   
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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:40:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You`re confused......or confusing post/replies....

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:42:56 PM   
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Perhaps because there is zero evidence that Clinton is the Republican who cut the embassy's security and forged emails to cover that up afterwards?



If you have information on a Republican cutting security at Benghazi during Clinton's watch - I'd be happy to hear about it.

I'm not interested in the generic - the security budget got cut (as part of the sequester or other).
While the security budget was cut, it was the administration that elected to cut security in Benghazi - as opposed to, say, Paris - that had 16 marine guards.

It was also during Clinton's watch that the security requirements for the Benghazi consulate were waived.

During her watch that the support aircraft were removed.

During her watch that the requests for additional security were denied.

During her watch that the requested extension of security personnel were denied.


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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:56:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		So if the cons cut security and something goes bad....it`s someone else`s fault?


This is precisely why no one believes republicans.....


Willing to expose and endanger our people working in dangerous areas,leak their locations/IDs....enable our enemies and then disgustingly exploit the tragedies they enabled.




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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 6:56:51 PM   
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Perhaps because there is zero evidence that Clinton is the Republican who cut the embassy's security and forged emails to cover that up afterwards?



If you have information on a Republican cutting security at Benghazi during Clinton's watch - I'd be happy to hear about it.

I'm not interested in the generic - the security budget got cut (as part of the sequester or other).
While the security budget was cut, it was the administration that elected to cut security in Benghazi - as opposed to, say, Paris - that had 16 marine guards.

It was also during Clinton's watch that the security requirements for the Benghazi consulate were waived.

During her watch that the support aircraft were removed.

During her watch that the requests for additional security were denied.

During her watch that the requested extension of security personnel were denied.





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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 7:17:21 PM   
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No, you wouldn't be happy to hear about it, you are deliberately in denial that it happened, and you are ignoring all the evidence.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Perhaps because there is zero evidence that Clinton is the Republican who cut the embassy's security and forged emails to cover that up afterwards?



If you have information on a Republican cutting security at Benghazi during Clinton's watch - I'd be happy to hear about it.

I'm not interested in the generic - the security budget got cut (as part of the sequester or other).
While the security budget was cut, it was the administration that elected to cut security in Benghazi - as opposed to, say, Paris - that had 16 marine guards.

It was also during Clinton's watch that the security requirements for the Benghazi consulate were waived.

During her watch that the support aircraft were removed.

During her watch that the requests for additional security were denied.

During her watch that the requested extension of security personnel were denied.






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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 7:57:30 PM   
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Of course.....

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 8:35:26 PM   
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Is that why you spend/ have spent reams of time posting about the subject?



Of course.....


No skin off my nose if you can't support your claim that a republican deleted the emails that showed he cut the funding for the Benghazi consulate.

Benghazi was a political calculation that resulted in the death of four Americans. I will never be indifferent to that.

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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 10:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Owner59, this is easy to understand:


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It isn't about making a case, it is about the Big Lie.

It is simply another manufactured scandal like Rev Wright, the 'Kill Whitey' video, all the photoshopped pictures of the President, the birther nonsense, blaming Hurricane Katrina and 9/11 on Obama, Umbrella Gate, the fake WWII Memorial story, the Museum of Muslim Culture, the 200 million dollar a day trips to France, the outrage that Obama wasn't at Arlington when he was, the hoax IRS scandal, and so on and so on.

All that is required is to make the accusation, and then demand that others prove a negative, before running away to cry 'Wolf!' again.


As EdBowie points out, these individuals just need....SOMETHING....to attack the President. They hated the man before he got the nomination to the DNC back in 2008. An its not just a disliking of the other over politics; its absolute hatred of the violent kind! So anything that does not go less then perfect, according to these folk is an impeachable act towards the President. These individuals are not open to reason, wisdom or just plain common sense. They are irrational, angry, and most likely in serious need of therapy.

Most Americans have understood the events surrounding Benghazi for what they are: All About Politics. Republicans would need to have credibility to be taken seriously on this particular issue. They never investigated the thirteen 'Benghazi' events that took place under President G. W. Bush during his two terms. And they once OWNED Congress. They could have had all kinds of hearings on any of the events and dragged the President and his men/women down to 'explain themselves before the American people'! Yet, never happened. So it brings the fair question to the forefront for these guys: Why is this issue so important when they couldn't do it once for any of the other thirteen times their guy was in the White House?


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RE: On Benghazi..... - 1/13/2014 10:46:39 PM   
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Is that why you spend/ have spent reams of time posting about the subject?

Of course.....

No skin off my nose if you can't support your claim that a republican deleted the emails that showed he cut the funding for the Benghazi consulate.

Benghazi was a political calculation that resulted in the death of four Americans. I will never be indifferent to that.


No, your just pushing it for political reasons. Unfortunately for you, none of us were born yesterday. See, there is a man in history that did the same action: former President George W. Bush. He milked 9/11 for every last drop to do anything and everything for political reasons. Claimed those that didn't help him were really enemies of America....including.....his fellow Americans was just one political tactic used. Or needing more emergency funding for Iraq/Afghanistan because 'Those that attacked us on 9/11 could strike again on American soil!'. The Patriot Act was pushed through Congress by way of milking actions out of 9/11. That President used the action so much and so often that people simply got tired of the bullshit.

In contrast, former President Bill Clinton did NOT milk 4/19 in anywhere the same level as the President who would follow him to the White House. Not even 1/100th the level that President Bush milked 9/11. Do you even know what happened on 4/19? Most Americans are completely ignorant of this date, even though it was of a very terrible terrorist attack on American soil.

You could say that President Obama has behaved the same way, by blaming the horrible economy on former President George W. Bush. yet, objectively speaking, Bush's Administration really did some stupid and foolish actions (along with that Republican Congress) that would create the circumstances for the economics events to break down towards an economic depression in 2007. I hold the persons I vote into office to twice the level of accountability and responsibility with power than the other guy. I'm a bit annoyed the President had to push many things and blame it on the Bush Administration. Yet, much of it was opposed by the very same individuals that created the problems in the first place!


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