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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Thank God the first mass waves of immigrants didn't resort to terrorism or lives of crime when they got here. The situation for immigrants was not good. They were not treated well. They were not treated fairly. But, most of them busted their asses and made lives for themselves, their families, and for later generations.
While it's terrible to mistreat any immigrant, it doesn't make it okay to resort to terrorism or violence in response. Even the majority of illegal immigrants are here to work and build their lives instead of becoming criminals. They have to hide (because of their illegal presence) in the shadows and can't live life as freely as a legal immigrant. Yet, they don't resort to terrorism. Many do commit crimes, and our jails are housing many. The majority, however, aren't like that.

many immigrants don't resort to that now, as I said, Mexicans have a hard time (some worse than others) imo but they don't do that (at least so far).. so is it that they work harder and see a road at the end of the tunnel? or is it that the immigrants like the Tsarnaevs simply expected too much, expected it to be easy and that the roads were paved with gold?

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McVeigh and Nichols claimed to be seeking revenge for injustices suffered by othersat the hands of government agents.

Not much of a pattern there to extrapolate from.

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McVeigh and Nichols claimed to be seeking revenge for injustices suffered by othersat the hands of government agents.

Not much of a pattern there to extrapolate from.

McVeigh had CIA handler. It is well established, we know even how he looked like. So have most terror attacks aided by FBI.
We never have conclusive straight evidence, but if you stitch pieces together the terror hoax picture usually emerges. The problem why it is going on is people not paying attention, the criminal government, and the mainstream media being part of the plots.
Consider this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CwTpJ1EoV6A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySYxvV4rZA&feature=player_embedded&list=UUPLAYER_globalresearchtv#!
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/14/who-in-boston-bombing-story-mysteries/
http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/05/23/bost-m23.html
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/05/20/official-story-has-odd-wrinkles-a-pack-of-questions-about-the-boston-bombing-backpacks/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rAuxdN70g1I#!
http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/ibragim_todashevs_girlfriend_held_in_solitary/
http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/
Quite a story, and FBI asked for public help to identify who people in the surveillance video were.

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ORIGINAL: FellowSlave

McVeigh had CIA handler.

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ORIGINAL: FellowSlave

McVeigh had CIA handler.

Was it Obama?

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It could be that they expected things to be easier than they really are, and, as another mentioned, there may have been some mental illness in there. Couple mental illness with not being properly prepared, and there could be some bad things happen.

As far as helping immigrants be productive rather than destructive, that's more on the immigrant than on us. If we're going to have to roll over and give everything to them so they don't go postal, well, let them go postal, and then they'll be taken care of for the rest of their lives (which won't likely be very long).

I know you didn't say we had to give then everything. For some, though, that might be what it takes. And, I'm certainly not in favor of that.

A thought just struck me: I oppose giving in to a party that threatens with violence unless the party gets it's way. Then, it hits me, that's all the Federal Government does; it threatens violence against those who aren't obedient to it.

That's some fucked up shit right there.

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Well, let's examine the facts.
Hmm...
If we "stitch pieces together" as FellowSlave says we should, we see that the OK city bombing was in 1995 at the same time Obama was a community organizer and a known CIA operative, so, oh my god, yes!
The time line is a perfect match! Obama must have been the one who gave the "go" order to McVeigh.
Problem solved!

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McVeigh had CIA handler.

Was it Obama?

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Why do you muddy waters, what Obama has to do with this? It was all over the news when the bombing occurred including the portrait that two men rented the Ryder truck and drove it to the building. One of them then mysteriously disappeared (and he was blacked out from the news), and all building surveillance videos became unavailable (even for the court proceedings) due to "national security).

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the mental thing was just with one brother tho, not both.. and I am not of the opinion that those "voices" told the older brother to bomb people,

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the mental thing was just with one brother tho, not both.. and I am not of the opinion that those "voices" told the older brother to bomb people,

omg, tj . . . did you hear them too?

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It could be that they expected things to be easier than they really are, and, as another mentioned, there may have been some mental illness in there. Couple mental illness with not being properly prepared, and there could be some bad things happen.
As far as helping immigrants be productive rather than destructive, that's more on the immigrant than on us. If we're going to have to roll over and give everything to them so they don't go postal, well, let them go postal, and then they'll be taken care of for the rest of their lives (which won't likely be very long).
I know you didn't say we had to give then everything. For some, though, that might be what it takes. And, I'm certainly not in favor of that.
A thought just struck me: I oppose giving in to a party that threatens with violence unless the party gets it's way. Then, it hits me, that's all the Federal Government does; it threatens violence against those who aren't obedient to it.
That's some fucked up shit right there.

the mental thing was just with one brother tho, not both.. and I am not of the opinion that those "voices" told the older brother to bomb people, I think it was the whole extreme religious thing combined with not getting what he wanted (to be a boxing champ/Olympic contender)..

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and after reading the link Angelika posted.. the parents are (from the accounts) blatant liars, telling various stories of why they came to the US (and somehow getting asylum even tho there was no evidence of their claims to qualify).. imo they came cuz they thought they would get rich and have it easy.. from that link-
“"there is still another account of why the Tsarnaevs wanted to go to America, and it, too, has nothing to do with persecution. "We watched all these films, saw how beautiful Hollywood was,” said Nurmenov. “It seemed that life was good there. [Anzor] told me, ‘Let’s go to America. Why should we sit here and rust?’ One day I found out that he was going away. He said, ‘You can get a visa to America. It’s easy.’ And then later he left.” "
So when they found out it wasn't that easy, they turned on their adopted country (cuz they needed to put the blame for their collective failures on something instead of looking in the mirror).. And I am not saying immigrants should be given everything on a silver platter but I am not sure what is actually available to those that have language and culture differences as a major barrier.. At this point, I think even if everything possible had been given to this family, they still would have been ungrateful failures with the same results (unfortunately).. The majority of immigrants aren't like them, but now what this family of nutbars have done means legit refugees and immigrants have it a lot harder to qualify for a visa..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Thank God the first mass waves of immigrants didn't resort to terrorism or lives of crime when they got here.

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the mental thing was just with one brother tho, not both.. and I am not of the opinion that those "voices" told the older brother to bomb people,

omg, tj . . . did you hear them too?

ha. ha. ha. very funny..

no, but the older brother was going on about US interference in other countries, blah, blah, blah as his reason for hating the US & jihad.. that don't sound like no freaky crazy voices to me, that sounds like nutbar religious extremism, in great part taught to him by his dear nutbar shrew momma..

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the mental thing was just with one brother tho, not both.. and I am not of the opinion that those "voices" told the older brother to bomb people,

omg, tj . . . did you hear them too?

ha. ha. ha. very funny..

no, but the older brother was going on about US interference in other countries, blah, blah, blah as his reason for hating the US & jihad.. that don't sound like no freaky crazy voices to me, that sounds like nutbar religious extremism, in great part taught to him by his dear nutbar shrew momma..

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Apologies for teasing you. Really.
However, hearing voices is symptomatic of severe mental illness underlying his expressions of political disapproval. It is not uncommon for someone in his state to be obedient to the voices.