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Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 8:01:56 AM   
ShaharThorne


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Status: offline 		A gamer friend of mine has a niece (17 month old) who has lead poisoning. Because the mom is a SAHM, they don't have the funds to do renovations and because they take boarders, they are not eligible for grants and other help organizations. Lead Free America has the estimates for the work, but the family needs the help now (this is their 2nd child to get lead poisoning). This is the website for their story...

http://leadsafeamerica.org/?p=1121

Spread the news if you can, maybe someone can donate funds (or several someones) and it is tax deductible.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 8:14:32 AM   
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But if they take in boarders, then they make enough to buy a flat scraper and scrape the lead paint off the walls and woodwork.
Sure, it won't look pretty for a while but these sort of cases seem to be brought upon themselves by apathy.

Charity begins at home and sometimes people need to see that and not rely on the rest of the world to do shit for them.
And being a SAHM means she has loads of time for doing the scraping.
What does a scraper cost?? About $1 from any of the dollar stores or even Walmart.

Sorry. No sympathy from me.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 9:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately in many states you cannot simply start scraping. Lead dust and chips start flying and creates a hazard. Once the residence has been identified as having lead contamination it may require professional removal.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 9:37:54 AM   
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Unfortunately in many states you cannot simply start scraping. Lead dust and chips start flying and creates a hazard. Once the residence has been identified as having lead contamination it may require professional removal.


Very true.

Once you start scraping - or worse, sanding - the lead paint becomes airborne particles which can be inhaled and ingested.

Lead paint should only be removed by trained professionals.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 9:49:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		ECOBOND LBP 1-gal. Lead Based Paint Sealant and Treatment Latex Primer

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Ecobond LBP 1-gal. latex primer, a unique sealant and treatment formula for lead based paint mitigation, is now easy, safe, and inexpensive for both contractors and homeowners. The easy one step Paint It On and Leave It On formula readily adheres to most lead paint surfaces, providing an eco-protective sealant and lead treatment. When used prior to renovation, repair and painting (RRP) activities, remediation and demolition, or lead paint stabilization Ecobond LBP creates a layer that binds lead dust, supporting final clean certification, minimizes health and safety hazards, and greatly simplifies cleanup. The flexibility of Ecobond LBP allows for (1) the application of a top coat to leave in place or (2) removal and non-hazardous environmentally protective waste for disposal.


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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 10:16:14 AM   
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ECOBOND LBP 1-gal. Lead Based Paint Sealant and Treatment Latex Primer

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Ecobond LBP 1-gal. latex primer, a unique sealant and treatment formula for lead based paint mitigation, is now easy, safe, and inexpensive for both contractors and homeowners. The easy one step Paint It On and Leave It On formula readily adheres to most lead paint surfaces, providing an eco-protective sealant and lead treatment. When used prior to renovation, repair and painting (RRP) activities, remediation and demolition, or lead paint stabilization Ecobond LBP creates a layer that binds lead dust, supporting final clean certification, minimizes health and safety hazards, and greatly simplifies cleanup. The flexibility of Ecobond LBP allows for (1) the application of a top coat to leave in place or (2) removal and non-hazardous environmentally protective waste for disposal.




Unfortunately, before you can use these types of products, you have to have the home inspected to see if that is an option. If it isnt, then you have to hire a firm that does lead and asbestos removals to remove the paint.

Shahar, I am surprised that the county health department is even letting anyone stay in that house.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 10:59:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is what I am thinking, Jeff. Part of the renovation cost is residence someplace else while the lead is professionally removed. I think they got the house via HUD ($72,000) and it is a beautiful craftsman bungalow. Sometimes HUD does not do inspections, just sell it as fast as possible. I remember one house that was a meth lab and their son started getting sick after they renovated it.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 12:34:12 PM   
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Sorry to be an asshat...

I doubt you're ever sorry for being an asshat. It would be a full time job.

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Sorry. No sympathy from me.

And as usual, no clue either. Please stop slagging on people when you have no absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 12:44:30 PM   
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And being a SAHM means she has loads of time for doing the scraping.



Sure, I guess the three children can just sit in the playpen while she scrapes flakes of lead-tainted paint off the walls and into the air.

In the article it says there's lead caulking in the windows, so it's not as simple as scraping paint. It also sounds like the children have special requirements as a result of the lead poisoning, creating more demands on time and finances, and the woman isn't just sitting round at home, she's out doing parenting support roles in the community.

I'm not saying asking for donations is the right move - I don't know enough about lead, home renovations, government funding or anything else to comment. But this post just smacks of judgmental attitudes and snark.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 12:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		From what I have read about the state of texas, a professional remediation service is required to remove lead based paint, inside and out, if an inspector decides that encapsulating it is not the proper procedure.

In other words freedomdwarf1, buying a scrapper etc. is not legal.

Lead paint risk assessment, $475.00

Cost to remove lead paint, average $10,000

Clearance inspection $350.00 per inspection.

Now you want to try again?

You also must remember, that a house with lead paint probably has asbestos in it as well, so remediation on that is very expensive.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 1:06:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I said I was an asshat for what I wrote.

But how the fuck can any real estate seller allow such a building to be sold in that condition in the first plce - legally.
And why didn't she get the house checked over before she bought it?

You couldn't do that over here without explicit disclosure of such hazzards or you could face a bill for fixing it or rehousing the family.
Sometimes I dispair at the US laws and what people get away with.

So... still being an asshat and still no sympathy.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 3:06:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

ECOBOND LBP 1-gal. Lead Based Paint Sealant and Treatment Latex Primer

quote:

Ecobond LBP 1-gal. latex primer, a unique sealant and treatment formula for lead based paint mitigation, is now easy, safe, and inexpensive for both contractors and homeowners. The easy one step Paint It On and Leave It On formula readily adheres to most lead paint surfaces, providing an eco-protective sealant and lead treatment. When used prior to renovation, repair and painting (RRP) activities, remediation and demolition, or lead paint stabilization Ecobond LBP creates a layer that binds lead dust, supporting final clean certification, minimizes health and safety hazards, and greatly simplifies cleanup. The flexibility of Ecobond LBP allows for (1) the application of a top coat to leave in place or (2) removal and non-hazardous environmentally protective waste for disposal.




Unfortunately, before you can use these types of products, you have to have the home inspected to see if that is an option. If it isnt, then you have to hire a firm that does lead and asbestos removals to remove the paint.

Shahar, I am surprised that the county health department is even letting anyone stay in that house.

Me too. Not sure about there, but here in Missouri if there are special circumstances then help that parents do not normally qualify for can still be given. I have a friend that did not qualify financially for some program for pre school children but her twins were premies and their language skills were far behind so they got in that way.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 3:32:13 PM   
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I said I was an asshat for what I wrote.

But how the fuck can any real estate seller allow such a building to be sold in that condition in the first plce - legally.
It was a HUD house. Which are usually distressed houses auctioned off by the government "as is" to be rehabilitated. So, there is no such condition in place because of the type of property it was. http://www.hudhomestore.com/Home/DollarHomes.aspx

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And why didn't she get the house checked over before she bought it?
That is a valid question. On a home of that age and with small children the pipes, electrical wiring, paint and asbestos should have been checked. Saved pennies to spend dollars.



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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 3:36:50 PM   
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I said I was an asshat for what I wrote.

But how the fuck can any real estate seller allow such a building to be sold in that condition in the first plce - legally.
And why didn't she get the house checked over before she bought it?

You couldn't do that over here without explicit disclosure of such hazzards or you could face a bill for fixing it or rehousing the family.
Sometimes I dispair at the US laws and what people get away with.

So... still being an asshat and still no sympathy.



Actually, a home inspection over here is not part of the real estate deal, unless either the buyer makes it a stipulation in the sale, in the situation of HUD homes, they are usually "Fixer Uppers" and as such usually dont get a home inspection done.

And buying an older home is a major risk, since there could be a lot of hidden problems that would not be found unless the walls were opened up. Things like knob and tube wiring, asbestos insulation, lead pipes, galvanized pipes etc.

You see when the government Housing and Urban Development agency sells a home, they dont have to give a disclosure form, many such homes were used as crack houses, meth labs, grow operations, or just run down. They are sold dirt cheap and barely qualify as livable. Most of the people that buy HUD listed homes are just barely able to make the mortgage payments.

Then there are those people who buy these houses and flip them after completely renovating the house. A house they bought for 60 thousand may then be sold for over a hundred thousand.

The HUD program is geared toward revitalizing neighborhoods, run down properties are sold, fixed up etc.

It doesnt matter to the bureaucrats that the people that are buying them cant afford to do the renovations, so it is a nice vicious circle.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 5:38:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm surprised the mother has not been turned into health and human services because her children have lead poisoning. I don't know about Texas but in PA it's mandatory that it be reported and then the house gets an inspection by children protective services and warned to have it fixed by a certain amount of time or children are removed until it is done or the parent loses custody depending on what the court orders.




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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 6:27:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's the same in Maryland a coworker of mine thought his house was lead free and found out it wasn't when his son got lead poisoning he had to follow up with CPS.

I get though that some states, overwhelmingly red, don't have supports in place to either repair the home or oversee the health of the children.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 7:59:39 PM   
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I'm surprised the mother has not been turned into health and human services because her children have lead poisoning. I don't know about Texas but in PA it's mandatory that it be reported and then the house gets an inspection by children protective services and warned to have it fixed by a certain amount of time or children are removed until it is done or the parent loses custody depending on what the court orders.




I would think that is what would happen and they would not just allow children to remain in the home that is poisoning them.

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RE: Help for lead poisoning - 12/10/2013 11:48:18 PM   
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