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missgiveNTake -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/4/2006 9:09:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bandit25
I am curious...what is picking?


Picking is the only self injury I have ever done. I am not as extreme as I have heard some people being.

But to answer your question: Picking is when you pick at your skin till you develop a scab and then you pick at the scab till it is gone. It is not easily reconized since the scab will look like you had acne, even the scar looks like it was caused by acne. I also pick at the skin on my fingers. My pinkie looks as if it were burned or something by the callous/scar that has developed.

I have done it for various reasons, as a nervous habit under high stress, release for anxiety, and sometimes I just get tired of people only seeing my genetics and not seeing me.

I am getting help with these and pick less often than I use to. But it is hard when it is also a nervous habit.




denika -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/4/2006 10:26:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sleazybutterfly
I do think that my association with food is unhealthy and I do use it to cope with things.  I use it to both comfort (binging) and to punish (purging).  I wish I could get rid of this unhealthy action probably more than any other.  Somehow I think if I conquered this ground, this unreachable hold on my life, then I could do just about anything.  I have beat so much and the fact that food is always my vice no matter how much else I come back from, to be honest.. it really ticks me off.
 
This is something I am working on and actually throwing my energy into right now.  This is actually me doing it in a healthy way.  I am hoping that it will not only help me solve this "obsession" but lead to other things in my life being healed as well.
 
                                         andrea (ticia)



It really is a love hate thing isn't it. I loved the endorphin rush I received when I purged but the fact I have my head hanging over a toilet heaving my guts out and praying I don't get splash back on me, ya that was the not so fun part.   That or the dental work to repair the damage.

Food is a comfort issue for me as well, I'm an emotional eater and from spending far to many years binging I can pack away alot when I'm feeling insecure. It's also something I do privatly. To this day I have a hard time eating in public, I'm not sure why either. In high school I used to hide in the girls bathroom when I did  eat.

It was never about weight, infact until I hit my 30's I was in my average weight range, I had a very physicly demanging job so I couldn't afford to be underweight and my wonderful husband, even when Im looking like a Dali painting gone wrong  still say's "I love you" *s*    He also stood by me at the worst of my binging and purging, helping me understand the reasons behind it.There was also the goal that at the time if I could go for four months without the cycle he would take me to a restraunt, otherwise why would he spend good money on food I wasn't going to keep down. The reward method works very well with me for replacing negative behavior, lol I think that is the big kid in me and it gave me something to look forward to.Tangible goals are imprtant to me. I also hated that disapointed look he would get when I failed.

I've never equated the heavy SM play that I enjoy with self abuse, I see the play as a positive experience and I always come away from it feeling stronger and better about myself.. I also don't go into it looking for a way to punish myself, play is a reward for positive behavior, a renforcement and connection with the Top.


all the best, it's struggle but it's worth it.

denika




softpjOS -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/4/2006 11:09:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gardenbluebird

Is self-injury and submission a common combination?  And how do others who have a history of self-injury insure that bdsm doesn't become unhealthy?


For me, cutting/picking was a way of releasing anger/frustration with myself; not a means of coping with the outside world, it was ME.  My feelings about myself within a given stressful situation.  I say WAS because with the help of my Mistress I have recognized why I do this and in most situations can now control it.  Yes, most. 
 
She has tried to give me alternatives to cutting but nothing replaced the release I found in cutting myself.  She forbid me to self mutilate pointing out that I was damaging that which is Hers.  But even knowing that I was going to face severe punishment, still found myself needing that release.  Oh, She cut me Herself, beat me.. but nothing worked....only added to my frustration with myself, I mean.. She was giving me what I would do to myself...why wasn't this working?  Because it was me I hated for "X" and only I could release that pain. It was after I started looking within myself and my past that I could understand and accept that I wasn't at fault for what had happened to me, learn to accept myself and release myself from the past that had me hating ME. 
 
So for me, BDSM/my Mistress helped me recognize that it wasn't so much self harm but self hate.  If it was simply self harm I was seeking anyone cutting/beating/picking me would give me the release I was seeking.  Oh, I certainly enjoy my Mistress beating/ cutting/ giving me pain dont get me wrong ~winks~ but it was never the same release I found in the privacy of my bedroom with my own knives/razor blades. 
 
I still have thoughts of self harm when I find myself feeling out of control and questioning myself but can now recognize the path and refocus myself on the actual situation and not on me.  If that makes any sense. 
 
pj




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/4/2006 11:41:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
 
I have to wonder though, how many people would see issues like remaining overweight and smoking - which are known to potentially be self destructive - as simply another form of the same situation that we're discussing here.  Obviously they can't be compared on some levels, and I'm Not intending to imply that they can, or to mitigate the seriousness of actions like cutting or burning.  I am curious now, though, as to whether anyone happens to see a possible correlation between those two sides of things as inappropriate coping mechanisms.


Being overweight is not always something that is easily overcome. There's genetics involved. There's long-term habits, both physical and emotional, that are involved. There are a lot of things that can go into being overweight that are not necessarily about coping mechanisms. They could be but they aren't necessarily.

The same with smoking. It may be a coping mechanism or it may not be. I have a friend who was a smoker for years. When she quit she realized that her smoking wasn't merely a habit, it was something she truly enjoyed. She loved the hit of nicotine. She didn't use smoking to cope, it was something she did out of love. She quit out of love of self.


I actually brought up those potentials due to self examination. 
 
I'm a smoker, and I've attempted to quit a few times in the past.  The time I was most sucessful (came closest to actually putting them down for good) was while I was on a medication - developed as an anti depressant, but with the noted side effect of being effective in helping people stop smoking, so in the long run it quit being prescribed as an antidepressant and is now almost exclusively marketed as a stop smoking drug.  That experience led me to start questioning whether the Physcial dependance on nicotene, and Enjoyment of smoking, didn't originally spring (at least in my own case) from smoking being a Relatively acceptable form of coping mechanism when I Started.  (I've been a smoker for close to 30 years, and attitudes about it have changed Drastically over the past 3 decades!)
 
As far as the weight portion - I understand that one far to well.  I'm not a Petite woman myself.  Coming from a family that seems to gain weight if we even look crosseyed at a piece of food - yet for which food played a central role in all our family gatherings (weddings, birthdays, holidays, anniversaries, family reunions.. .even funerals) I have been asking myself much more frequently over the past couple of years (and especially today, while I thought about this thread relative to the family gatherings going on for the holiday) whether or not one of the Subconscious coping mechanisms I was taught wasn't to turn to food.  Granted, things like childbirth, hormone changes, genetic influences, etc - they all play a part in how easy it is to gain and/or lose weight.  The question is more a matter of speculation that perhaps we are Taught the habits that contribute to weight issues as an "acceptable" strategy to cope with the rest of life, without forethought to the problems that such subconscious strategies can induce.
 
Ticia, both you and Denika mentioned the love/hate relationship of the binge purge cycle, and that you both see food as a source of Comfort.  Which, in the long run, I suppose could equate to Stress Relief.  I have never been in a binge/purge, though I do understand the equating food to comfort - because of how my family treated holidays and social gatherings as an excuse for a giant buffet.  Is it a spiraling problem?  You eat to feel comforted, that causes weight gain (or other negative internal issues for yourself) ... only that leads to a "need" to purge... which creates it's own sort of stress, and back you go again to the binge portion?




thegunslinger -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 8:26:37 AM)

I never want to know the address of that penis splitting website anthrosub, different strokes and all that but...no.

I and my sub were reading Screw the roses... and there was an example in there of a Dom helping his sub get over fears in her past with a scene. Maybe letting your Dom help might be a good idea if ya'll can approach it the right way. Not being a psychology person at all, I've heard some subs that have been raped can replay the situation with their doms, but obviously controlled and that can "take power away from the situation" among other things.




MistressDREAD -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 9:16:37 AM)

self injury is not inclusive to submissives, its not a lifestyle issue but one that arrives from many different avenues in life to the injury conclusion. Some work out those issues with self mutilation and others seek out help from the medical community. S/M is the lifestyle issue and is an action that feeds a different part of the mind and soul when practiced with in the S.S.C. concept. However like self mutilatiion, Sadism can also expand the avenues to injury that work on the physical aspects that feed a different part of the mind and soul. All have to do with the issues of Control thru pain.




akisha -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 9:18:13 AM)

I can honestly say i never got into self injury, and even though i tend to be an emotional eater i never went the binge and purge route. So for me personally i would not equate self torturors to submissiveness.

I used sports as stress relivers, plus i started experiementing and learning about BDSM at the age of 16 so that might have been a stress reliver as well *S*

The only way i tend to hurt myself is by working myself to exhaustion. even as a teen I burned the candle at both ends so to speak. I went to school, worked full time, was on the students council, the student newspaper, sports teams and for one year i was a cheerleader *S* until my step father decided that nice girls shouldn't be cheerleaders.

I do tend to be an oganizational and control freak when it comes to some things. I had to have everything planned in detail as far in advance as possible. After having a child i have relaized this is not possible lol and have relaxed alot. I still am a work-aholic to a point though *sighs*




scratchingpost -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 11:50:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Assuming I either have aslave who does self injure or am responsible (ie mentoring) one who does.. We go into a counselling situation to try to work through this. If needs be I do have other professional counsellors who I can call on if it is necessary.... Basic in this is that I have assumed responsibility for her and thus I am both duty and honour bound to do all I can to help her.. 
HUGE KUDOS IronBear Your slaves/submissives are most fortunate in that you provide for their emotional well being so devoutly that is a wonderful quality *beams a smile*
I am a masochist from the time I was a small person I felt a rush and sexual arousal from pain....much later I learned that inflicting pain physically could deflect emotional pain but for Me the enjoyment of it preceeded the emotional self injurous behavior. I didnt cut Myself however. It was more like scratching myself with My nails or digging them into Myself.




sleazybutterfly -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 12:05:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
 
Ticia, both you and Denika mentioned the love/hate relationship of the binge purge cycle, and that you both see food as a source of Comfort.  Which, in the long run, I suppose could equate to Stress Relief.  I have never been in a binge/purge, though I do understand the equating food to comfort - because of how my family treated holidays and social gatherings as an excuse for a giant buffet.  Is it a spiraling problem?  You eat to feel comforted, that causes weight gain (or other negative internal issues for yourself) ... only that leads to a "need" to purge... which creates it's own sort of stress, and back you go again to the binge portion?


When I am stressed out.. sad..angry..hurt..many things.. I eat.  While I am eating.. it sort of "stuffs" the feelings down with it.. almost controls them.. or quiets them.  Afterward, not only does the emotional pain return, but a physcial pain also (stomach pain)...then I may think about calories..or I may not.. it just depends..but I know that I have to get rid of it or the pain won't go away.  That is when I purge..it's a horrid process..it hurts..it's just gross..but when I can't do any more.. and the toilet is flushed..there is a peace there..maybe an emptiness of a different kind..and what I was doing the binging for is sort of "flushed away" for a period of time.
 
This is probably the way it happens most times... some variations..but pretty much on target otherwise.  I hate that I do it.. I pay the price for it.. I get heart-palpitations.. sores in my mouth..sore throat.. horrible stomach pains..broken teeth...headaches.. muscle aches..etc.  I say each time I do it..that I won't again..and I remember that promise just as my head is over the toilet again..and after it's finished..the same vow is made. 
 
I am trying to work on it..but I fear this is the one healing that might elude me.  I sure hope that is not the case, because this is not how I want to go out of this world.
 
                    Respectfully, andrea (ticia)




IronBear -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 3:03:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: scratchingpost

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Assuming I either have aslave who does self injure or am responsible (ie mentoring) one who does.. We go into a counselling situation to try to work through this. If needs be I do have other professional counsellors who I can call on if it is necessary.... Basic in this is that I have assumed responsibility for her and thus I am both duty and honour bound to do all I can to help her.. 
HUGE KUDOS IronBear Your slaves/submissives are most fortunate in that you provide for their emotional well being so devoutly that is a wonderful quality *beams a smile*
I am a masochist from the time I was a small person I felt a rush and sexual arousal from pain....much later I learned that inflicting pain physically could deflect emotional pain but for Me the enjoyment of it preceeded the emotional self injurous behavior. I didnt cut Myself however. It was more like scratching myself with My nails or digging them into Myself.



Thanks kitty,
If you have the ability and/or the contacts how could you not want to help and understand further some on in your collar?....




MistressDREAD -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 5:41:42 PM)

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Anything and everything on this site may be potentially triggering to those who self injure. Take care when looking around


Find information:
http://www.selfinjury.com/sifacts.htm
http://www.headinjury.com/pain.htm
http://self-injury.net/resources/?organizations
http://www.something-fishy.org/treatmentfinder/
http://www.healthyplace.com/







BuxomGoddess714 -> RE: submissives and self-injury (7/5/2006 7:19:57 PM)

I think my self mutilation is related to my involvement in BDSM.  It thankfully usually does not affect me the same way or I would not participate in BDSM any more!  They are attempts at dealing with my uniques set of needs, issues, pain and fears.  I think my need for Adrenaline, excitement; distaste for the vanilla life in general, is directly related to the chaos I grew up around.  I am used to stimuli and bored with the mundane.  SSC play gives me mastery over my fears and safe TRUSTWORTHY people help me work out my issues and become healthier.  Being in a loving place with someone I know has control of Themselves and me, can bring me a lot of peace over relationship issues from my past that I felt a lot of  stress and anxiety over.  Being abused, betrayed, confused and experiencing mistrust in a D/s relationship is DEATH to me however, and only reinforces and brings back up all of my insecurities, fears, abandonment and  other negative issues.  Mutilation gives me fleeting and temporary relief.  I learned that my cutting can become an addictive behaviour, requiring more and deeper wounds to get the same effect.  I have cut off and on since I was a child, but I stopped for the past 18 years until recently.  This is the only time in my life it has ever required medical intervention.  I started out with my fingernails when I was younger; then objects like bottlecaps and other sharp things.  When I am in a hopeless, helpless situation where I feel no control and in extreme emotional pain, it works as a temporary release.  But its like drugs.  The relief wears off, the pain has not been dealt with and I need more extreme cutting the next time.  When the pain is too much to take any more and you feel like you are going to explode... a deep slash (or 3 or 4) across your thighs with a razor blade sends your focus to THAT pain and all the blood for awhile.   Someone said its not erotic but that was the closest word she could think of.... its like there is such a release of emotion and tension.  Its like all that heartache finds a place in your skin and blood for a minute.  Sometimes you can't stand that ache in your chest or the lump in your throat anymore and you HAVE to put the pain elsewhere, anywhere, even for just a second I just can't take it anymore.  It is some kind of release when you see the blood.  Some kind of anxiety goes away for awhile.  Some of us just cant take it and have to do something to redirect the pain.  I didnt really start out doing this as a suicidal act but when you are this depressed, it is easy to get careless and carried away with razor blades.  Before you realize it.....  you've gone too far and maybe dont really care.   The posters saying we lack coping skills are correct.  I had no role models.  Few coping skills.  Lots of Pain. Lots of Anger.  Am very damaged.  Didn't know where to turn.  I have always been very ashamed of this, tried to hide it, never did it for "attention" and started doing it around 1968.  Long before I knew what was popular.  Nobody taught me to do it.  It can become a serious problem and be a sign of other underlying mental health issues.  Its hard to post this here, but I got help and I hope if someone else is hurting themselves they will relate and get help too.  There are better ways to cope and there are people to help us find the tools to do so.  Ask for help before you accidently go too far.   




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