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Nevada school shooting. - 10/22/2013 4:46:22 PM   
Politesub53


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Status: offline 		Another tragic incident leaves two dead. This time the shooter was a 12 yr old boy, thought to have been bullied at school. He took his parents gun to school, shot one kid, the shot and killed a teacher who tried to calm him down, then shot another kid. He then turned the gun on himself. Thankfully the other two boys shot seem to be doing okay.

Is there anywhere legisaltion could have avoided this, since it seems to me the fact he got hold of his parents gun and took it to school is disturbing. Arming the teachers wouldnt have worked in this case, since I cant see any teacher willingly shooting a child. Electronic searches at the schools doors wouldnt have worked, given this was in a playground and not inside the building. Maybe doing more against bullying would have helped things to not get this far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/22/justice/nevada-middle-school-shooting/
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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/22/2013 4:53:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/22/2013 4:56:22 PM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch


That would seem reasonable if the owner was proved to be negligent Butch.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/22/2013 4:57:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes... that child could not have used that weapon if it had been properly secured. So the weapon owner WAS negligent beyond a doubt.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 12:17:29 AM   
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There are only two things that must be done now:

1) arming every 12 years old in the school
2) building concentration camps for socially akward kids

than schools will be safe from this incidents.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 12:19:05 AM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch


isn't is already a crime?

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 3:43:15 AM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch

isn't is already a crime?


Not in every state.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 6:05:39 AM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch



That would be a really good start and then actually enforce the laws.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 6:31:21 AM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch



That would be a really good start and then actually enforce the laws.

True, but then can you imagine how the NRA would scream if the state tried to 'impose restrictions' on gun owners? No-win situation.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 6:35:02 AM   
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Why not make it a felony when a personal weapon is used by a child to commit a crime or accidently injure themselves or another when the owner fails to responsibly secure the weapon. Make the owner of the weapon also financially responsible for injuries...deaths...and property damage.

Butch



That would be a really good start and then actually enforce the laws.

True, but then can you imagine how the NRA would scream if the state tried to 'impose restrictions' on gun owners? No-win situation.




I didn't realize that the NRA was against laws requiring you to keep guns locked up. Do you have a link to this?

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 6:50:04 AM   
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I didn't realize that the NRA was against laws requiring you to keep guns locked up. Do you have a link to this?

Come off it: they're opposed to everything.


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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 10:30:13 AM   
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I didn't realize that the NRA was against laws requiring you to keep guns locked up. Do you have a link to this?

Come off it: they're opposed to everything.



from the NRA WEBSITE


http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx


Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.

Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.


maybe you can show us a link where the NRA OPPOSED such legislation???

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 10:40:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		What will more laws do exactly? How about a law making it mandatory to follow laws... will that help?

Gun safety is important, keeping your arms properly stored and out of reach of children/thieves is important. A new law isn't going to make a law breaker follow said law... its a breakdown in society, no law will fix that.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 11:03:26 AM   
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What will more laws do exactly? How about a law making it mandatory to follow laws... will that help?





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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 12:49:17 PM   
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What will more laws do exactly? How about a law making it mandatory to follow laws... will that help?

Gun safety is important, keeping your arms properly stored and out of reach of children/thieves is important. A new law isn't going to make a law breaker follow said law... its a breakdown in society, no law will fix that.


I can't cite a source in english just in italian but in the state of new york there should be such a law.

So why having a law against theft? why one against murder? why having speed limits?

now be serious you have so much stritch laws and prohibitions in every aspect of the life but not weapons.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 12:58:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nothing talks like money and jail time. Put a few irresponsible gun owners in jail and publicize confiscated money and property in lawsuits and I believe we will see a reduction in these types of tragedies.


Just opinion of course but if it saves one life or injury to a child or adult it would be a useful law to remind gun owners of their responsibilities.

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 1:17:12 PM   
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What will more laws do exactly? How about a law making it mandatory to follow laws... will that help?
Gun safety is important, keeping your arms properly stored and out of reach of children/thieves is important. A new law isn't going to make a law breaker follow said law... its a breakdown in society, no law will fix that.

I can't cite a source in english just in italian but in the state of new york there should be such a law.
So why having a law against theft? why one against murder? why having speed limits?
now be serious you have so much stritch laws and prohibitions in every aspect of the life but not weapons.


My owning a gun wouldn't be any infringement on your rights. My stealing from you would, though. So would my killing you.

And, we do have laws and prohibitions regarding weapons.

The problem is, if people are willing to break the laws we already have, what's the point of passing another one for them to break? They've already demonstrated that they aren't likely to follow the law, so the only ones that the law will actually effect are likely to be the ones who are already following the law.




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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 1:48:54 PM   
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Nothing talks like money and jail time. Put a few irresponsible gun owners in jail and publicize confiscated money and property in lawsuits and I believe we will see a reduction in these types of tragedies.


Just opinion of course but if it saves one life or injury to a child or adult it would be a useful law to remind gun owners of their responsibilities.

Butch



Exactly, and I highly doubt the NRA would appose that type of law.


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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 1:56:57 PM   
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My owning a gun wouldn't be any infringement on your rights. My stealing from you would, though. So would my killing you.

And, we do have laws and prohibitions regarding weapons.

The problem is, if people are willing to break the laws we already have, what's the point of passing another one for them to break? They've already demonstrated that they aren't likely to follow the law, so the only ones that the law will actually effect are likely to be the ones who are already following the law.





Sorry but this makes no sense, my giving a beer to a teenager won't be an infringement of any right, so why is it a crime? If there is a law honest people will pay attention in respecting it, if not this happens

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RE: Nevada school shooting. - 10/23/2013 2:18:24 PM   
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My owning a gun wouldn't be any infringement on your rights. My stealing from you would, though. So would my killing you.

And, we do have laws and prohibitions regarding weapons.

The problem is, if people are willing to break the laws we already have, what's the point of passing another one for them to break? They've already demonstrated that they aren't likely to follow the law, so the only ones that the law will actually effect are likely to be the ones who are already following the law.





Sorry but this makes no sense, my giving a beer to a teenager won't be an infringement of any right, so why is it a crime? If there is a law honest people will pay attention in respecting it, if not this happens

but it IS an infringment of someone rights, it infringes on the parents right to decide wether thier child should be drinking liquer.

and yes, HONEST people will and DO respect the laws, but writing a NEW LAW doesn't transform prople who already ignore laws.

as far as THIS HAPPENS, accidents happen ALL the TIME, and it ussualy doesn't involve a gun, kids get burned on stoves, in cars, etc etc etc...


when I was about 6 or so I got in my moms car and pulled it out of park and it rolled down the hill with me in it, also my youngest boy once climbed into my van and took it out of gear, it rolled out of the driveway and into the guy across the streets house.

I was in the hospital with a double compund frature of my left arm, (fell off a jungle gym) and there was another kid in ther who burned his hand horribly by starting his bathwater and sticking his hands into the water with was scalding hot.

I could go ON AND ON AN ON with stories like these, but no one is suggesting we BAN THOSE THING, yanno cause if just ONE LIFE could be saved an all!

I personally wouldn't want to live in a world where every thing thats potentially dangerous is banned

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