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Yachtie -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 1:38:54 PM)

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Phydeaux -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 3:11:24 PM)


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Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.

That lie again?

I'm actually on Medicare, nothing bad has happened due to those price controls. Some scam artists have gone out of business that is all.

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Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

And that would actually be socialized medicine and the lying scum cons would have behaved even worse over that. BTW the ACA is a con plan that cons used to love. Only now that a Democrat actually did it is it a terrible bad thing.


I'm not going to debate established facts with you. ACA did pull 500 billion dollars out of Medicare. Go snopes or CBO. And it has nothing to do with price controls, FYI.

Lie. it actually is 700 odd billion over a decade and it is the exact same amount Paul Ryan's budget would take out of Medicare. That's because some one figured out there was that much waste in Medicare and that cost controls could be implemented to save it. No one on Medicare has had to do more than find a new supplier for medical supplies, like test strips. No doctor I've ever been referred to has refused to take Medicare, and I see a lengthy list of specialists.



I don't think you know what the word: "lie" actually means.

However, if you want to say it pulled 700 billion out - fine. Pulling the money out had nothing to do with "price controls"

As people get older, it becomes costlier to insure them. Insurers have an incentive therefore not to renew their insurance. So the federal government offered price support so that private insurers would keep insuring the elderly.

Obama killed that price support, which is why it is such a lie that "if you like your insurance you can keep it". Millions of these policies were now no longer affordable, and seniors got pushed into new (AARP approved) policies.

Ken, I don't know where you live - but any person that can read can find news article after news article about practices not accepting new medicare patients.
Where I am, I is virtually impossible to find a doctor in many specialities, including obgyn. Why should they? They can get paid three times as much for the same work by NOT. And since drs' are graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt...





Phydeaux -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 3:12:32 PM)

Cruel & Unusual had a great source here, describing how we got in this mess in the first place..
It all started with EMTALA......

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/02/07/the-tortuous-conservative-history-of-the-individual-mandate/




DomKen -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 3:48:03 PM)


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Pissed off that we pulled 500 billion out of medicare for this crap? Damn straight.

That lie again?

I'm actually on Medicare, nothing bad has happened due to those price controls. Some scam artists have gone out of business that is all.

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Here's a news flash for you DK. If the goal was just giving medical care to people, we could have just expanded medicare coverage and not set up 169 government bodies - and gotten better coverage for less.

And that would actually be socialized medicine and the lying scum cons would have behaved even worse over that. BTW the ACA is a con plan that cons used to love. Only now that a Democrat actually did it is it a terrible bad thing.


I'm not going to debate established facts with you. ACA did pull 500 billion dollars out of Medicare. Go snopes or CBO. And it has nothing to do with price controls, FYI.

Lie. it actually is 700 odd billion over a decade and it is the exact same amount Paul Ryan's budget would take out of Medicare. That's because some one figured out there was that much waste in Medicare and that cost controls could be implemented to save it. No one on Medicare has had to do more than find a new supplier for medical supplies, like test strips. No doctor I've ever been referred to has refused to take Medicare, and I see a lengthy list of specialists.



I don't think you know what the word: "lie" actually means.

However, if you want to say it pulled 700 billion out - fine. Pulling the money out had nothing to do with "price controls"

As people get older, it becomes costlier to insure them. Insurers have an incentive therefore not to renew their insurance. So the federal government offered price support so that private insurers would keep insuring the elderly.

Obama killed that price support, which is why it is such a lie that "if you like your insurance you can keep it". Millions of these policies were now no longer affordable, and seniors got pushed into new (AARP approved) policies.

Ken, I don't know where you live - but any person that can read can find news article after news article about practices not accepting new medicare patients.
Where I am, I is virtually impossible to find a doctor in many specialities, including obgyn. Why should they? They can get paid three times as much for the same work by NOT. And since drs' are graduating with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt...



More bullshit. Medicare Advantage, the price supports you claim were ended, is still around and growing.

Why would an obigyn ever even worry about Medicare? it is almost exclusively for retired people, only very specific disabled people get Medicare and those would be considered high risk if pregnant and I'm sure the obi's that deal with do take Medicare since otherwise they wouldn't be able to work with the majority of their patients.

In reality Medicare pays more than most HMO's so doctors prefer Medicare over HMO's.




thishereboi -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 8:38:51 PM)


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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

It's sort of funny that you think only the poor don't have health insurance.

Angry white rural southerners are the core of the Republican base. Go look at election results or polling on where the most self identified Republicans are or any other data source on the matter.



Where did I say I thought only the poor didn't have health insurance?




DomKen -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 9:46:53 PM)


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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

It's sort of funny that you think only the poor don't have health insurance.

Angry white rural southerners are the core of the Republican base. Go look at election results or polling on where the most self identified Republicans are or any other data source on the matter.



Where did I say I thought only the poor didn't have health insurance?

see bolded text.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/19/2013 10:00:36 PM)

Ya know....

SOME of the so called "poor" need to stop buying 65" TVs, motorcycles, tattoo sleeves, jewelry, smart phones, tablets and lap tops etc... and maybe buy health insurance.

Here in Maryland, head to some of the marina's around Baltimore and you'll even find a lot of people who are too "poor" to afford health insurance who have gassed up boats in the water.




thishereboi -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:02:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

It's sort of funny that you think only the poor don't have health insurance.

Angry white rural southerners are the core of the Republican base. Go look at election results or polling on where the most self identified Republicans are or any other data source on the matter.



Where did I say I thought only the poor didn't have health insurance?

see bolded text.



That is assuming I believe what is posted on these boards and I don't. From what I have read on these boards all republicans are teabagging racists and I know that is bullshit also. There are a lot of things put out here as fact that came straight from some idiots fantasy world. Those are just a couple.




DomKen -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:15:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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As to Democrats, yes they will run on the ACA because all those families that get health insurance that could afford it or were denied for pre-existing conditions will be grateful and will vote for those responsible while Republicans will remain dependent on angry white rural southerners who cannot accept that it is no longer the 1920's.


From what I have read on these boards the majority of the poor is already voting for the left. So you might pick up a few more votes from those who were on the right but now have insurance and are happy with it. Of course that is only if their main concern was health care and they are willing to ignore other issues. Then you have all the ones who already have a health plan but the government doesn't think it's good enough. This is going to cost them more money and which side do you think they will blame for that? And I love how you tacked "angry white rural southerners" at the end. You probably don't realize it, but that tells me more about you than anything else you posted.

It's sort of funny that you think only the poor don't have health insurance.

Angry white rural southerners are the core of the Republican base. Go look at election results or polling on where the most self identified Republicans are or any other data source on the matter.



Where did I say I thought only the poor didn't have health insurance?

see bolded text.



That is assuming I believe what is posted on these boards and I don't. From what I have read on these boards all republicans are teabagging racists and I know that is bullshit also. There are a lot of things put out here as fact that came straight from some idiots fantasy world. Those are just a couple.

I cannot read your mind, nor would I want to, so I read what you write and in this case that is what you wrote. So untwist your panties and learn to write what you mean to write and stop with your dumbass passive aggressive bullshit.




thishereboi -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:25:25 AM)

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I cannot read your mind, nor would I want to, so I read what you write and in this case that is what you wrote. So untwist your panties and learn to write what you mean to write and stop with your dumbass passive aggressive bullshit.


I never said you did, I just clarified my comments. And I hate to break it to you, but just because you get all het up over these boards doesn't mean everyone has their panties in a twist. Maybe if it's getting to you, you should step away for a bit and relax.




Phydeaux -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 4:26:41 PM)

So interesting post on yahoo:

"An internal memo obtained by The Associated Press showed that the administration projected nearly a half million people would enroll for the insurance markets during the first month."

Anyone want to have a pool betting where the actual enrollments will be for the month of October?

Understand that the government will be trying like hell to push all the people to sign up - to proclaim it an "amazing" success.

My guess is they may get 227,000 people. Of those, 47,000 or so will be private insurance - the remainder will be medicare or expanded medicare.




DsBound -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:26:31 PM)


Words of another heart broken man!

"Like a paranoid ruler, it only trusts what it can directly control. HealthCare.gov could have been a shining example of how an open exchange of ideas makes America a better place, setting precedent for a more innovative government generations to come. That was Obama’s big promise about the change he would bring to Washington. Now, our healthcare system is as broken as Obama’s promise."

Ouch! My guess is hes not the only democrat who feels this way about O'Care.




Lucylastic -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:30:47 PM)



From NPR regarding Obamas concerns n other tidbits

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=238202431

WASHINGTON -- WASHINGTON (AP) — Last week, President Barack Obama gathered some of his top advisers in the Oval Office to discuss the problem-plagued rollout of his health care legislation. He told his team the administration had to own up to the fact that there were no excuses for not having the health care website ready to operate on Day One.

The admonition from a frustrated president came amid the embarrassing start to sign-ups for the health care insurance exchanges. The president is expected to address the cascade of computer problems Monday during an event at the White House.

Administration officials say more than 476,000 health insurance applications have been filed through federal and state exchanges. The figures mark the most detailed measure yet of the problem-plagued rollout of the insurance market place.

However, the officials continue to refuse to say how many people have actually enrolled in the insurance markets. And without enrollment figures, it's unclear whether the program is on track to reach the 7 million people projected by the Congressional Budget Office to gain coverage during the six-month sign-up period.

The first three weeks of sign-ups have been marred by a cascade of computer problems, which the administration says it is working around the clock to correct. The rough rollout has been a black eye for Obama, who invested significant time and political capital in getting the law passed during his first term.

The officials said technology experts from inside and outside the government are being brought in to work on the glitches, though they did not say how many workers were being added.

Officials did say staffing has been increased at call centers by about 50 percent. As problems persist on the federally run website, the administration is encouraging more people to sign up for insurance over the phone.

The officials would not discuss the health insurance rollout by name and were granted anonymity.

Despite the widespread problems, the White House has yet to fully explain what went wrong with the online system consumers were supposed to use to sign up for coverage.

Administration officials initially blamed a high volume of interest from ordinary Americans for the frozen screens that many people encountered. Since then, they have also acknowledged problems with software and some elements of the system's design.

Interest in the insurance markets appears to continue to be high. Officials said about 19 million people have visited HealthCare.gov as of Friday night.

Of the 476,000 applications that have been started, just over half have been from the 36 states where the federal government is taking the lead in running the markets. The rest of the applications have come from the 14 states running their own markets, along with Washington, D.C.

The White House says it plans to release the first enrollment totals from both the federal and state-run markets in mid-November.

An internal memo obtained by The Associated Press showed that the administration projected nearly a half million people would enroll for the insurance markets during the first month.

Officials say they expect enrollments to be heavier toward the end of the six-month sign up window.

Problems with the rollout were largely overshadowed by Republican efforts to force changes to the health care law in exchange for funding the government. That effort failed and the government reopened last week with "Obamacare" intact.

Some Republicans are now calling for the resignation of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. The White House says it has complete confidence in her. House Republicans have scheduled a hearing next week to look into the rollout problems.

White House allies say they're confident the problems are being addressed.

"There's no question the marketplace website needs some improvement," said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., one of the architects of the law. "The administration needs to fix the computer bugs and I'm confident that they're working around the clock to fix the problems."




Phydeaux -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/20/2013 5:31:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DsBound


Words of another heart broken man!

"Like a paranoid ruler, it only trusts what it can directly control. HealthCare.gov could have been a shining example of how an open exchange of ideas makes America a better place, setting precedent for a more innovative government generations to come. That was Obama’s big promise about the change he would bring to Washington. Now, our healthcare system is as broken as Obama’s promise."

Ouch! My guess is hes not the only democrat who feels this way about O'Care.


Wow. Theres hope. One more person realizing just exactly how rife for abuse government actually can be. The sad sad part is - he probably thinks its an isolated incident.




papassion -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/21/2013 10:41:57 AM)

The first people who are going thru the hell of long waits, screens disappearing, etc, to sign up are probably people who can't buy regular health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. Thus, the numbers the administration is bragging about are the people who will bring high maintainence health costs to the system. Thus, the higher the number of early signups, the greater the chance of increased costs.




thompsonx -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/21/2013 5:14:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Ya know....

SOME of the so called "poor" need to stop buying 65" TVs, motorcycles, tattoo sleeves, jewelry, smart phones, tablets and lap tops etc... and maybe buy health insurance.

Here in Maryland, head to some of the marina's around Baltimore and you'll even find a lot of people who are too "poor" to afford health insurance who have gassed up boats in the water.


Any validation for this moronic bullshit?




DsBound -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/21/2013 7:14:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion

The first people who are going thru the hell of long waits, screens disappearing, etc, to sign up are probably people who can't buy regular health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. Thus, the numbers the administration is bragging about are the people who will bring high maintainence health costs to the system. Thus, the higher the number of early signups, the greater the chance of increased costs.


Perhaps.

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DsBound -> RE: Design choice for ACA website the cause of crashes (10/21/2013 7:42:06 PM)

Im sick of hearing how many hits the site has had... they don't want to release actual numbers of enrollees and I suspect it's because the numbers are dismal compared to how many hits/inquiries its had.
What are the real numbers??




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