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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

After further research on the loader, you're right. And I avoid online ammo purchases because the shipping jacks the price up almost another dollar. I ain't that old, but I remember when 1-2 bucks a shot meant only specialty or obsolete ammo from a custom maker. And you store your rifle at the range? Only time I've done that was when I was on rifle team and didn't wanta hump my old Remington 513T back and forth. I keep my babies close to me.

/yay, nested quotes!

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ORIGINAL: SWDesertDom

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

I'd rather they left it alone then annoy the hell out of it.

Do you have a huge deer population?
That would be the only reason I can see for encouraging people to shoot deer.
In New York you just have black bear don't you?
Still it kind of depends on what they are hunting deer with.
A 30/30 or .243 can bring down a deer but a 30-06, also a popular deer round would be far more effective.

At least once (to win a bet) a man has killed an Alaskan Coastal Brown Bear (forget whether it was a Kodiak) with a .17 Mach IV. If you can kill an Alaskan Coastal Brown Bear with a .17 Mach IV, well, you have bigger balls than I. Black Bear are generally not considered too hard to kill. Here in NM, any centerfire rifle or pistol cartridge is a legal cartridge for hunting bear (we have no Brown Bear). I'd personally go for something in the range of .270 Win or better.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

My favorite has never been fired as it's a work of art more than a firearm.

It is a hand made 50 cal muzzle loader, Kentucky long rifle.
Octagon barrel.
Curly maple one piece stock and forearm
German silver inlay and German silver patch box built into the stock.

Dan'l Boone never say the day when he held a weapon that pretty.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: SWDesertDom

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

I'd rather they left it alone then annoy the hell out of it.

Do you have a huge deer population?
That would be the only reason I can see for encouraging people to shoot deer.
In New York you just have black bear don't you?
Still it kind of depends on what they are hunting deer with.
A 30/30 or .243 can bring down a deer but a 30-06, also a popular deer round would be far more effective.

At least once (to win a bet) a man has killed an Alaskan Coastal Brown Bear (forget whether it was a Kodiak) with a .17 Mach IV. If you can kill an Alaskan Coastal Brown Bear with a .17 Mach IV, well, you have bigger balls than I. Black Bear are generally not considered too hard to kill. Here in NM, any centerfire rifle or pistol cartridge is a legal cartridge for hunting bear (we have no Brown Bear). I'd personally go for something in the range of .270 Win or better.

Legal and smart aren't the same.
I agree for black bear I would want, at a minimum a 30/30.
Your choice sounds good.
Taking a .17 after a brown bear isn't a matter of balls but mental health.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Not a gun question, but a deer question. Can anyone explain the DEC's reasoning? Doe permits are still easily available but now you can't shoot a buck unless it has 3 points per side. Makes no sense to me. Although juniors (12 - 18) can take anything.

Oh and since there's a bear living in the back of my property, what are the odds that the guys who hunt here can drop it with the same thing they're using for deer. Bear weigh three times as much, don't they need a bigger gun?

I'd rather they left it alone then annoy the hell out of it.

Do you have a huge deer population?
That would be the only reason I can see for encouraging people to shoot deer.
In New York you just have black bear don't you?
Still it kind of depends on what they are hunting deer with.
A 30/30 or .243 can bring down a deer but a 30-06, also a popular deer round would be far more effective.

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

Illuminating. Makes sense in a way, especially for an apartment-dweller. I've generally just went ahead and slapped one in wherever I lived anyway, because I know whatever POS landlord I get is gonna keep my deposit. But I can see the problem in an urban high-rise just getting the safe into the building undetected. But I can see your situation more clearly know just by knowing where you live.

One thought occurs to me: have you ever considered a take-down rifle? Even if the maker doesn't offer one, there are gunsmiths who can convert a lever-action to take-down. I saw a late-80's Winchester that had it done. A little pricy, but the results fit into a very mundane case that looked like it was for a musical instrument.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Someone commented that gun control threads always deteriorate into "gun sociopaths" talking about their favorite firearm.
I we are accused of it we might as well do it.
I have several depending on what I am using it for.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

Someone commented that gun control threads always deteriorate into "gun sociopaths" talking about their favorite firearm.
I we are accused of it we might as well do it.
I have several depending on what I am using it for.

My absolute FAV gun is....the one I'm holding :)

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

A firearm with no bullets in it is a finely machined club. A gun that is inaccessible in a safe is not even usable as a club.

I know you live in Chicago where your government pretty much neuters your ability to defend yourself. You should talk to your local legislators about that.

A short barreled shotgun is probably not your best bet for home defense.

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

I like a higher capacity than two, just in case I miss in the heat of the moment. As for the intimidation factor is concerned, my carry gun has a laser on it. A red dot crossing your eyes is pretty damned intimidating. :-)

I could put that laser on an popgun and the person I'm pointing it at is only going to be worried about the laser.

But, as you said, everyone's situation is different. A 12 gauge has one hell of a large bore. However, having actually faced a gun pointed at me, even a .22 looks FUCKING HUGE if you are staring down the barrel.

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

I like a higher capacity than two, just in case I miss in the heat of the moment. As for the intimidation factor is concerned, my carry gun has a laser on it. A red dot crossing your eyes is pretty damned intimidating. :-)

I could put that laser on an popgun and the person I'm pointing it at is only going to be worried about the laser.

But, as you said, everyone's situation is different. A 12 gauge has one hell of a large bore. However, having actually faced a gun pointed at me, even a .22 looks FUCKING HUGE if you are staring down the barrel.

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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

A firearm with no bullets in it is a finely machined club. A gun that is inaccessible in a safe is not even usable as a club.

I know you live in Chicago where your government pretty much neuters your ability to defend yourself. You should talk to your local legislators about that.

A short barreled shotgun is probably not your best bet for home defense.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

Illuminating. Makes sense in a way, especially for an apartment-dweller. I've generally just went ahead and slapped one in wherever I lived anyway, because I know whatever POS landlord I get is gonna keep my deposit. But I can see the problem in an urban high-rise just getting the safe into the building undetected. But I can see your situation more clearly know just by knowing where you live.

One thought occurs to me: have you ever considered a take-down rifle? Even if the maker doesn't offer one, there are gunsmiths who can convert a lever-action to take-down. I saw a late-80's Winchester that had it done. A little pricy, but the results fit into a very mundane case that looked like it was for a musical instrument.

I'm not sure what the advantage would be. I'm not in need of a home defense weapon, if I was I'd get a short 12 gauge, and in case of a break in it would be the thing I'd least want stolen (not that we've had any break ins, I chose a building with ownership that is serious about security).

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

I only have four guns, so they are all favorites...well three of them are anyway. Nothing special, but they're mine. I have a Stevens Savage 820B 12 gauge that I have never shot. I have a Remington 66 .22 semi-auto rifle that I have put thousands of rounds through. And I have a Herter's .357. Oh yeah...the one red-headed step-child that I have and don't really like to claim is a Jenning's 9 mm that is a total piece of garbage. I wouldn't even give it away because it will just end up getting somebody killed. Just waiting for a buy back from local law enforcement. Would love to get a decent 9 mm or a .45, but it's not likely that I'll find one in my price range.