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jola37 -> Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 2:59:43 PM)
I have seen quite a few films and documentaries on the topic of the banking in the USA (and the rest of the world). I wanted to share this one to see what folk's thoughts are on it. Especially the first part of the film about the formation of the USA. As for the rest of the film, parts were an eye opener. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 3:11:59 PM)
Nothing new there. At the Battle of Waterloo, Mayer Rothschild had his spies. Besides having bankrolled both sides, he had even more to get wealthy by. His spies got word to him before anyone else. He went to the exchange and had his people begin dumping bonds. Everyone else, seeing this (Mayer knew something; Wellington lost?), began to dump theirs. The prices dropped dramatically. When they were low enough, his agents began buying. IIRC, he ended up almost owning the Bank of England. It's said one reason Lincoln was killed was because of how he intended to handle the war debt. He was going to screw the Bankers.

DsBound -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 3:17:21 PM)
A little off topic, but learning about the Rothschilds in general is interesting and petrifying at the same time.

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 3:28:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DsBound A little off topic, but learning about the Rothschilds in general is interesting and petrifying at the same time. Look into the Warburgs banking clan. Max, Paul, and especially Felix. Paul remained in Europe, Max went to Russia, and Felix to the US. Like Rothschild, they financed everything. Also, IIRC, Rothschild is (or at least was) the banker to the Vatican.

jola37 -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 3:39:20 PM)
Bank generates and provides all the money with interest. This interest keeps countries in permanent debt as the banks don't print enough to cover it. Very clever scheme, untold human suffering ensues. Win win for the nasty people who run this system.

Politesub53 -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 5:03:34 PM)
I lost interest in the video in less than a thirty seconds, once it said the bankers instigated all wars and assasinations........ Thats absolute nonsense. The Rothschilds didnt bankroll Napoleon but the did almost single handedly finance the British. Rothschild heard via his messengers that Wellington was victorious and realising there would be peace he bought as many UK Government Bonds as possible, knowing bond prices would rise.

DomKen -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 6:50:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I lost interest in the video in less than a thirty seconds, once it said the bankers instigated all wars and assasinations........ Thats absolute nonsense. The Rothschilds didnt bankroll Napoleon but the did almost single handedly finance the British. Rothschild heard via his messengers that Wellington was victorious and realising there would be peace he bought as many UK Government Bonds as possible, knowing bond prices would rise. The US significantly bankrolled Napoleon when we bought Louisiana. We paid 50 million francs and canceled debt worth about another 15 million. It's one of those things that our history books try to ignore. We got about 1/3rd of our nation and gave Europe a bloody war.

DsBound -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/27/2013 10:52:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie Look into the Warburgs banking clan. Max, Paul, and especially Felix. Paul remained in Europe, Max went to Russia, and Felix to the US. Like Rothschild, they financed everything. Also, IIRC, Rothschild is (or at least was) the banker to the Vatican. Thanks!

jola37 -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 2:03:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 I lost interest in the video in less than a thirty seconds, once it said the bankers instigated all wars and assasinations........ Thats absolute nonsense. Iraq ? Syria ? Libya ? These are wars designed to try to save the dollar. Forget WMD's, this was a smoke screen to fool us.

jola37 -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 2:10:15 AM)
It's the same in the UK by the UK btw, I'm not pointing fingers here. I have recently learnt that in London, we have speculators estimating where and when the next war will be, enabling banks and arms dealers to invest in them. The ethos behind this thread is just to spread the word that the banking world stinks and has blood on it's hands.

Lucylastic -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 3:48:00 AM)
Theres a huge part of the posting crew here who still blame it on people daring to want to own their own homes, and that indeed the banks are just pawns. free market capitalism, rah rah rah. I have as little to do with banks as I can, even the canadian ones that didnt crash as bad as the UK and US ones. My mother who lost 100,000 quid on bank shennanigans is now in a much better place, but I thought at one point it would kill her. Its commonly known, but not believed. and thats the rub.

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 5:13:00 AM)
FR - This is a Pdf of The Creature From Jekyll Island. Probably the best primer on the Federal Reserve there is. Also, I got it wrong. Paul Warburg came to America, not Felix.

DomKen -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 5:32:04 AM)
FR Bankers and financiers have a lot to answer for but there is no grand conspiracy of Jewish bankers running the world.

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 6:28:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen FR Bankers and financiers have a lot to answer for but there is no grand conspiracy of Jewish bankers running the world. From wiki - A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more people, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through deliberate collusion, an event or phenomenon of great social, political, or economic impact. Bankers collude. Bankers do so in private. The creation of the Federal Reserve was done in secret. The fact that most of the top tier of bankers who designed modern banking are Jewish is more a nuance of history than that "they are Jewish". The conspiracy is not because they are Jewish, but because they are Bankers.

DomKen -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 6:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen FR Bankers and financiers have a lot to answer for but there is no grand conspiracy of Jewish bankers running the world. From wiki - A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more people, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through deliberate collusion, an event or phenomenon of great social, political, or economic impact. Bankers collude. Bankers do so in private. The creation of the Federal Reserve was done in secret. The fact that most of the top tier of bankers who designed modern banking are Jewish is more a nuance of history than that "they are Jewish". The conspiracy is not because they are Jewish, but because they are Bankers. The Federal Reserve was not created in secret. It was debated in Congress and passed by large margins in both houses. A central bank that is independent of politics is one of the great advances in stabilizing the economy. We are lucky to be so far removed from bank runs but it behooves us to know enough actual history to understand why things are setup the way they are.

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 6:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen FR Bankers and financiers have a lot to answer for but there is no grand conspiracy of Jewish bankers running the world. From wiki - A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more people, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through deliberate collusion, an event or phenomenon of great social, political, or economic impact. Bankers collude. Bankers do so in private. The creation of the Federal Reserve was done in secret. The fact that most of the top tier of bankers who designed modern banking are Jewish is more a nuance of history than that "they are Jewish". The conspiracy is not because they are Jewish, but because they are Bankers. The Federal Reserve was not created in secret. It was debated in Congress and passed by large margins in both houses. A central bank that is independent of politics is one of the great advances in stabilizing the economy. We are lucky to be so far removed from bank runs but it behooves us to know enough actual history to understand why things are setup the way they are. Therein we disagree. The FR was created in secret at Jekyll Island, Georgia. What was created (a private bank) by seven men was passed as you say, but Congress did not create it. Congress had no part in what took place at Jekyll Island. You could not be more wrong about central banking being "one of the great advances in stabilizing the economy". The simple fact is that the FR has operated under the premise that ~2% inflation is desirable and good. That, by definition, is hardly stable. Central banking / fractional reserve is a kool-aid people have drunk of to their own detriment.

DomKen -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 7:07:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie Therein we disagree. The FR was created in secret at Jekyll Island, Georgia. What was created (a private bank) by seven men was passed as you say, but Congress did not create it. Congress had no part in what took place at Jekyll Island. The idea was conceived there but the law that created it was debated and passed by both houses of Congress. There was nothing secret about it. quote: You could not be more wrong about central banking being "one of the great advances in stabilizing the economy". The simple fact is that the FR has operated under the premise that ~2% inflation is desirable and good. That, by definition, is hardly stable. Let's consider your perfect no inflation economy. No one can ever get a pay raise. If a commodity becomes more expensive to produce the producer simply shuts down and the end products are no longer available, hope it wasn't food. The population cannot expand. IOW it is both impossible and undesirable. Low levels of inflation are a natural product of the churning of the economy. This guy gets a raise, that mineral is more expensive to mine, this crop was is more popular, that group of young people enter the work force and prices go up slightly.

Yachtie -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 7:23:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The idea was conceived there but the law that created it was debated and passed by both houses of Congress. There was nothing secret about it. Let's consider your perfect no inflation economy. No one can ever get a pay raise. If a commodity becomes more expensive to produce the producer simply shuts down and the end products are no longer available, hope it wasn't food. The population cannot expand. IOW it is both impossible and undesirable. Low levels of inflation are a natural product of the churning of the economy. This guy gets a raise, that mineral is more expensive to mine, this crop was is more popular, that group of young people enter the work force and prices go up slightly. According to research (creature from Jekyll island) ( quoting as appearing in the Saturday Evening Post (Feb. 9, 1935)) - And the answer is provided by Vanderlip himself in the same article. He said: "If it were to be exposed publicly that our particular group had gotten together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress." The people who designed the FR were the same money trust which Congress meant to break up. Read the book, DK. As to inflation, not so. Expanding (or contracting if needed) the money supply as to enable stable prices is not inflation.

DomKen -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 8:30:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen The idea was conceived there but the law that created it was debated and passed by both houses of Congress. There was nothing secret about it. Let's consider your perfect no inflation economy. No one can ever get a pay raise. If a commodity becomes more expensive to produce the producer simply shuts down and the end products are no longer available, hope it wasn't food. The population cannot expand. IOW it is both impossible and undesirable. Low levels of inflation are a natural product of the churning of the economy. This guy gets a raise, that mineral is more expensive to mine, this crop was is more popular, that group of young people enter the work force and prices go up slightly. According to research (creature from Jekyll island) ( quoting as appearing in the Saturday Evening Post (Feb. 9, 1935)) - And the answer is provided by Vanderlip himself in the same article. He said: "If it were to be exposed publicly that our particular group had gotten together and written a banking bill, that bill would have no chance whatever of passage by Congress." The people who designed the FR were the same money trust which Congress meant to break up. Congress didn't mean to break up anything. They wanted a stable economy without repeated bank runs and panics and that is what a politically independent central bank does. quote: As to inflation, not so. Expanding (or contracting if needed) the money supply as to enable stable prices is not inflation. Wrong. The only way to do that would be to have a wage and price freeze and even then there is no way the money supply expansion and the population expansion could be precisely matched. Moderate inflation is the sign of a healthy economy. We had moderate inflation during the good times before the Fed and we've had it almost all the time since the fed.

vincentML -> RE: Is this common knowledge in the USA ? (9/28/2013 9:05:34 AM)
>Congress didn't mean to break up anything. They wanted a stable economy without repeated bank runs and panics and that is what a politically independent central bank does.< The video posted by the OP is a slick and creative piece of propaganda. It presents so many facets that seem to relate to the central issue they are difficult to parse. All the blah blah about this war or that war having some hooks to business interests might have some truths, especially our excursions into various Latin American countries. However, a couple of things stood out for me: Rivero questions whether Congress has the power to delegate the coining of money but there has not been a Supreme Court case that I could find. Rivero remarks several times that government should coin money and set its value. Unclear what he means by value but I presume he is a gold standard advocate. There was a lot of discussion about national banking systems before the FR Bill was introduced. It was no big secret. The depression of 1907 was a huge catalyst. Finally, DK is right. We can't go back to the series of bank collapses that preceded the Fed Reserve Act. They were disasters. So, not convinced of a conspiracy here.

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