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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yeah, mine is not rhetorical. How many will that dogshit cover that are not covered now?
I dont need to have the cbo tell me that (at 20% which is low, $1500 from each taxpayer we get now, and not coming in will increase the debt dramatically). You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.
Nor Obamacare. The 'alternative' bill is as useless a piece of dogshit as the 42nd repeal of Obamacare bill.

We have an idea how Obamacare will impact the budget, don't we?

As far as how many people it will cover, it won't cover anyone. It won't cover people who are currently covered. It won't cover people who are underinsured, or uninsured. It isn't designed to cover anyone. It is designed to give incentive for people to get coverage for themselves. It isn't mandating a purchase, but giving a monetary incentive for someone to choose to make a purchase. And, since people are going to know how much they are getting, regardless of how much they spend on insurance, they'll have incentives to shop prices so they can have as much left as possible. Surely that won't impact the economy. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: joether
Do some fact checking there. Much of The Affordable Care Act (before being hacked to pieces by Republicans in 2009) were ideas from the saner version of the GOP back in the '90s. The bills that came forward in the House AFTER the ACA were not in the best interests of the American population. Go ahead, read the bills, they aren't terribly long but are chalked full of total B.S. They wish to replace sections of the ACA with stuff that was foolish and dumb in the first place with the intent to blame it all on the President to their mindless followers. Democrats saw right through each of those bills and killed them.

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The bills the Republicans have pushed in this session of Congress have been...BAD....for America. Democrats were right to kill the vast majority of them. Did you stop and read each of the Republican bills? No? Then before you support the GOP, read up on all those failed bills. While some of them had some good ideas, they were generally create more problems than they attempted to solve. Ask yourself this DS, why is it ONLY 15 bills pass the Senate when the norm is 190 to 260? Republicans created a horde of bad bills that they KNEW before the bills were passed didn't have a 'snowball's chance in Hell' of succeeding in the Senate. So why did they pass the bills in the House knowing that? To score political points with their voters. Had nothing to do with 'doing whats right for America now or in her future days'!

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.

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ORIGINAL: leonine

Actually, if either of you cared, you could look at the hundreds of countries that have had universal state funded healthcare for generations. And the answer, every time, is that it benefits their economies enormously, because business and citizens are not burdened with the costs of a wasteful, inefficient insurance-based system which delivers the worst health outcomes for the highest cost in the developed world.

The only thing fundamentally wrong with Obamacare is that he wasn't able to get the insurance companies' snouts out of the trough.

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ORIGINAL: leonine

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.

Actually, if either of you cared, you could look at the hundreds of countries that have had universal state funded healthcare for generations. And the answer, every time, is that it benefits their economies enormously, because business and citizens are not burdened with the costs of a wasteful, inefficient insurance-based system which delivers the worst health outcomes for the highest cost in the developed world.
The only thing fundamentally wrong with Obamacare is that he wasn't able to get the insurance companies' snouts out of the trough.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Yeah, mine is not rhetorical. How many will that dogshit cover that are not covered now?
I dont need to have the cbo tell me that (at 20% which is low, $1500 from each taxpayer we get now, and not coming in will increase the debt dramatically). You are pointing out nothing, since you have no idea how universal healtcare would change the economy either.
Nor Obamacare. The 'alternative' bill is as useless a piece of dogshit as the 42nd repeal of Obamacare bill.

We have an idea how Obamacare will impact the budget, don't we?
As far as how many people it will cover, it won't cover anyone. It won't cover people who are currently covered. It won't cover people who are underinsured, or uninsured. It isn't designed to cover anyone. It is designed to give incentive for people to get coverage for themselves. It isn't mandating a purchase, but giving a monetary incentive for someone to choose to make a purchase. And, since people are going to know how much they are getting, regardless of how much they spend on insurance, they'll have incentives to shop prices so they can have as much left as possible. Surely that won't impact the economy. [8|]

Actually the Medicaid expansion will cover people up to, IIRC, 125% of the poverty line and the exchanges will cover people not eligible for Medicaid.
As a matter of fact the exchanges is why the cons are getting so desperate. Enrollment opens on Oct. 1. Once several million people are receiving health care that will be the end of any chance of gutting the law.