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Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" inte... - 8/25/2013 9:34:48 PM   
FatDomDaddy


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Isn't it about time for some major Congressional Hearings???

NSA employees spied on their lovers using eavesdropping programme
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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/25/2013 9:37:05 PM   
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They might want to look into the NSA hacking the UN's video conferencing system while they're at it.
But I don't think any of us should hold our breath waiting for Congree to do much of anything.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/25/2013 9:42:27 PM   
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I wonder who the first poster to blame Bush, Neo Cons and Reagan will be???

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/25/2013 9:48:49 PM   
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3,000 times in a one year period!

Isn't it about time for some major Congressional Hearings???

NSA employees spied on their lovers using eavesdropping programme

Hopefully it will be part of the overall investigation of NSA abuses

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/25/2013 9:50:34 PM   
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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/25/2013 9:58:28 PM   
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Lol!!!

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 3:53:37 AM   
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I wonder who the first poster to blame Bush, Neo Cons and Reagan will be???


Reagan ? Even Sgt Carter knows it wasnt his fault.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 8:51:44 AM   
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A number of posts were pulled for quoting/replying to a pulled post and being off topic. If you have not received a Gold Letter, this is the reason why your post was pulled.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 8:51:56 AM   
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quote:

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3,000 times in a one year period!

Isn't it about time for some major Congressional Hearings???

NSA employees spied on their lovers using eavesdropping programme

Congressional hearings? Aren't you a conservative? This reminds me of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to study why kids fall of tricycles. What do we need to study. The NSA created the world's biggest honey pot and the bees are circling. This was inevitable.

The only study I want to pay for is one to study what exactly they have built and how to get rid of it.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 10:52:14 AM   
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3,000 times in a one year period!

Isn't it about time for some major Congressional Hearings???

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I want to see "perp walks" hundreds of them. Also from the State Dept and the IRS.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 10:54:08 AM   
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Most of the perp walks you will see is teabaggers leaving the house.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/26/2013 6:17:29 PM   
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Now, now, I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation. I have no doubt all of that was done in the name of security and war on terrorism (or drugs, or some other vague noun). It was probably titled Love-Int as a red herring in case somebody like Snowden exposed it to the media. You see, it was all a meta plan masterminded by the NSA - they would appear to be corrupt and inept, thus lowering our enemies' defenses and suckerpunching those freedom-hating freedom-haters.



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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/27/2013 7:06:14 PM   
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cripes.. and I thought cops had all sorts of access in private info on people (which is why I would never date one, cuz I am a privacy nut).. I am sure cops wished they had the access the NSA has! There is a moral to this story.. don't date em..

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/27/2013 7:11:03 PM   
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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 4:47:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
3,000 times in a one year period!

Isn't it about time for some major Congressional Hearings???

NSA employees spied on their lovers using eavesdropping programme

Congressional hearings? Aren't you a conservative? This reminds me of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to study why kids fall of tricycles. What do we need to study. The NSA created the world's biggest honey pot and the bees are circling. This was inevitable.

The only study I want to pay for is one to study what exactly they have built and how to get rid of it.


I don't see any problem with calling for congressional hearings in this case, since that's what our system of checks and balances are supposed to do.

I agree with you about the studies. I remember a study to find out why prisoners want to escape from prison.

I don't know if congressional hearings on the NSA would amount to a "study," but perhaps more an investigation. But I'm not even sure if Congress will do anything. With guys like Senator Graham bellowing against Russia and demanding Snowden's return, there will likely be a lot of debate before Congress does anything - which will turn out to be nothing.

I think this also needs to be more closely scrutinized by everyone else in society as well. When it comes to government surveillance, restrictions on our freedom, and violations of the Constitution for the sake of national security, there do seem to be some rather sharp differences of opinion among the public. Some people actually believe that this sort of stuff is a necessary evil and they trust that it's all being done "for our own good." A lot of people accepted it during World War II and the Cold War, just as many accept it during the War on Terror, the War on Drugs, or whatever other "wars" we might be fighting.

This is a question which our country will eventually have to come to terms with, not just in regards to surveillance and the invasion of our privacy (which is bad enough), but also with the powers we allow our government to have for the sake of national security and public safety. Is this something that can be codified as an Amendment to the Constitution? Or should it remain some "unwritten law" that gives the government a virtual blank check to exert whatever force or other government action is necessary to deal with whatever level of danger there is to deal with?

Another relevant question is whether or not our government genuinely and sincerely has our nation's interests at heart. Are our leaders formulating and conducting our policies with wisdom and foresight? Are they taking an honest and objective look at the world and reaching a logical conclusion about what our country's role should be?

If we the people are being asked to trust that what the NSA is doing is "for our own good," then we also need to consider how our leaders formulate their ideas of "good." What exactly are our "national interests" and why? These are the questions we need to keep reviewing.

And if they really do have a genuine desire to safeguard America's security and national interests, why can't they just do so openly? If they're really sincere, then what do they have to hide? If there's a legitimate justification for all of this, then all they have to do is come clean and let the people judge for themselves. I don't think that they will, but if they did, I believe the public would judge them fairly. Some people believe that if Nixon had come clean from the start and didn't engage in any cover up, the public would have forgiven him and he wouldn't have been impeached. It's the cover up that oftentimes becomes worse than the act itself.




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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 5:00:28 AM   
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cripes.. and I thought cops had all sorts of access in private info on people (which is why I would never date one, cuz I am a privacy nut).. I am sure cops wished they had the access the NSA has! There is a moral to this story.. don't date em..


I sometimes wonder about that when I think of people I used to know in school. Former rivals or enemies who have carried a grudge all these years getting a job with the NSA and plotting their revenge. If they're out there watching, all I can say is...sorry guys, I didn't mean it. I was young and impetuous back in those days.

I imagine it would really start to hit home when you find that someone you've hated all your life suddenly becomes the local gauleiter. That would totally suck.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 2:19:54 PM   
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I imagine it would really start to hit home when you find that someone you've hated all your life suddenly becomes the local gauleiter. That would totally suck.

then quietly moving a long distance away might be in order..

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 8:21:17 PM   
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I don't see any problem with calling for congressional hearings in this case, since that's what our system of checks and balances are supposed to do.

I see no purpose in congressional hearings on this particular item is what I'm saying. This (and a whole wad more of it that we don't know about yet) was inevitable from the very beginning.

I'd be VASTLY in favor of an actual, open, and honest review of domestic surveillance vs. privacy. I'm afraid I just can't quite manage enough naivete to see that happening.

in this case the cover-up and the act are one and the same. You can't do secret domestic surveillance and spill the beans at the same time. As you indicate though, why must it be secret? That, in and of itself, is enough for me to damn the whole lot of them. HOnestly, you and I both know that the american public would never have tolerated, "we intend to tap the entire internet and use drone surveillance for physical coverage".


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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 9:44:25 PM   
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I wonder who the first poster to blame Bush, Neo Cons and Reagan will be???



It actually kind of is Reagan's fault. But for his actions, the NSA would not be what it is today. Where as Bush 1 and Clinton relied more on the CIA. Then Bush 2 (IRAQ). The CIA really shot themselves in the foot with WMDs (CURVEBALL/INC). This was when a massive switch from HUMINT to SIGINT was made. In step the NSA. Obama is a jackass - sure. But, the NSA force decreased by about 70% pre reggo. He increased it by about 40% +.

To not blame the NEO cons or democrats is equally intentionally obtuse. This is and has been a US IC problem followed by DOD/Congress. It is not a partisan issue.

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RE: Oh nice... NSA employees stalking "love" ... - 8/28/2013 9:52:23 PM   
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I don't see any problem with calling for congressional hearings in this case, since that's what our system of checks and balances are supposed to do.

I see no purpose in congressional hearings on this particular item is what I'm saying. This (and a whole wad more of it that we don't know about yet) was inevitable from the very beginning.

I'd be VASTLY in favor of an actual, open, and honest review of domestic surveillance vs. privacy. I'm afraid I just can't quite manage enough naivete to see that happening.

in this case the cover-up and the act are one and the same. You can't do secret domestic surveillance and spill the beans at the same time. As you indicate though, why must it be secret? That, in and of itself, is enough for me to damn the whole lot of them. HOnestly, you and I both know that the american public would never have tolerated, "we intend to tap the entire internet and use drone surveillance for physical coverage".



It must be secret because their agenda is their own power, authority and dominance - from a physical and I/O stand point. Security (national or other) LOVEINT, law and all of these take a back seat.

If these things were out in the open. They simply would not be tolerated. It is not rocket science? Technically, they are doing what is in their own best interest. While I did not rub shoulders, get photos or bunk with him. I had the opportunity to sit X feet away and hear Keith speak. He is a legitimate psychopath. However, he perceives himself as a genuine patriot. If he is allowed unaccountable power - they might be able to keep us safer. I say might considering all the things which have went wrong, cyber-command as a whole seems to lack information dominance. Most likely that is because their own interests come first "prisoners dilemma" (Game Theory) people act in their own interests. Evolutionary Psychology/biology. Cheaters vs non cheaters. Cheaters always prosper.

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