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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
He could not have defended himself if he were not attacked.

He would have had no need to defend himself had he not been pursuing a course for which he was not professionally qualified, nor legally empowered, and for which he had been specifically been directed by an agent of authority to not pursue. And if he had any sane concern for his own well being, then he would have waited for LE to arrive and do their job, especially when he knew they were on the way.

The immediate instance of a teenager answering to the molestation of a pervert (and there was no other way for any normal teen to perceive a shaved-head, heavily breathing, sweating, red-sweatshirt-wearing blob saying incoherent things while being pursued otherwise), can explain why Z -might have been- in 'self defense' mode.

But the fact that he had a gun seems to have adjusted his sense of vulnerability to the point where he felt he didn't need to wait on the police. It is on record that he knew the police were on the way, and he chose to act on his own in any case, with full knowledge of that. No one forced him to not wait on the police, end of story. Which also negates any sense of self defense in the broader term. Sane people's first defense is to avoid trouble in the first place, in which instance Zimmerman was doing quite the opposite.

It's hard to argue self defense when a person goes so far as that to put himself in danger, but I can't disagree that that's how the wacko law of the land happened to work out in this case.

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Had there been proof , even evidence that Zimmerman was too unstable to own a gun the prosecution would have mentioned it.

Not enough evidence for you, perhaps, but more than enough for the rest of a sane society.
If you want that guy in your neighborhood, you can have him, but the conjecture here is that your sanity-posessed neighbors would direct a stern eye towards you for inviting him, which you seem to be more than willing to do.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

What the fuck has this to do with dumbass Zimmy?

Well it mentioned SYG and at there are a lot of people who seem to think that the zimmy case did too, but other than that I have no clue.

The title says it all.
Some people think they can grab any ridiculous situation, pretend it is related to Zimmerman, pretend that it proves something about syg and those who defended Zimmerman will be forced to defend the indefensible. Thus they think they will retroactively win Zimmerman.
They do not understand that if SYG is not granted it proves, not how horrible it is, but that it works.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.

You have a movie or the exact transcript saying that?

All I know about is this:

We the jury find the defendant George Zimmerman not guilty.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.

You have a movie or the exact transcript saying that?

All I know about is this:

We the jury find the defendant George Zimmerman not guilty.

What other reason would they have for finding him not guilty if they didn't believe it was self defense?

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Not guilty of murder by reason of self defense.

You have a movie or the exact transcript saying that?

All I know about is this:

We the jury find the defendant George Zimmerman not guilty.

What other reason would they have for finding him not guilty if they didn't believe it was self defense?

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Arizona has a Stand Your Ground Law similar to Florida's law. In fact under the law Richard Malley, could use it has justification if he shot the Deputy. This incident just shows in my view, how dangerous this law is. As well as how dangerous these vigilante militia are. Also Sheriff Joe Arpaio, of that county has stated his Deputies will shoot the militia if they threaten his Deputies. As a side note the California Minute man militia was dissolved after it members broke into a home claiming it was a drug house and illegal aliens lived there. They killed family members and are now in prison for it. None of the claims were ever proven, the family were US citizens with a long history of living in the US, they just had a Latin family name.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


He would have had no need to defend himself had he not been pursuing a course for which he was not professionally qualified, nor legally empowered, and for which he had been specifically been directed by an agent of authority to not pursue.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


He would have had no need to defend himself had he not been pursuing a course for which he was not professionally qualified, nor legally empowered, and for which he had been specifically been directed by an agent of authority to not pursue.

All of this is either disproven by evidence or by law.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Followed, no indication he ever pursued.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Followed, no indication he ever pursued.

Right.

Like starting a business, no indication of seeking a profit. Like planting a field, no indication of intent to harvest. Like turning the key, no indication of starting the car.

This isn't working out for you, here, sorry.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Pursuit means intent to detain and hold.


Uh, no.......grab up a dictionary. Epic Failure.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Pursuit means intent to detain and hold.


Uh, no.......grab up a dictionary. Epic Failure.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

please see the synonyms. you know what that word means? number one in the 5 dictionaries I just looked at, cuz I knew you were gonna come up with some mincing dumbass invalid argument (I am not the guy you wanna try and school in words and meanings, I outweigh you heavily here in that field.) and the number one synonym? follow.

They are closely equivalent in this usage of the term.

following is one off different here.

A man was arrested following a police pursuit.

In making that sentence for pursuit we would use after.

After pursuing a policeman following another suspect the man was jailed.

that is the difference. (not huge)

they both mean: one after another, and it is not confined to people.

Epic Failure.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The difference is in one word of the definitions pursuit involves capture (no it does not) nice try but no not at all.

A man was arrested following a police pursuit.
arrested following a police pursuit

A man was pursued. (it aint in there---not fuckin nowhere)

I am pursuing a course of trying to smarten you up here, and nowhere in the pursuit have I captured you.