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mistoferin -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 7:42:32 AM)

There is a glaring flaw in his plan....it is going to be difficult to get her to gain those 200 lbs if he has her teeth removed.

And gosh sakes...I hope that he's not going to make her pee standing up [;)].

Hopefully, the whole thing is just a fantasy on a screen...but who knows....it really does take all kinds....




zumala -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 1:30:05 PM)

I think I fell in the 'almost tomboy' category.  I still climb trees and I'm not at all picky about make-up or brand name clothing.  I can dress up, I just generally don't.
 
And it hasn't hurt me.  I just attracted a guy who likes a natural type of beauty coupled with an outdoors kind of spirit.  [;)]
 
zuma




CrappyDom -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 1:53:21 PM)

I find the concept rather hot in a way and was in fact mentored at one point by a lesbian Dominant who loved to modify the behavior on a rather primal level of the girls she played with.  Nothing made her hotter than taking a hard core dyke and making her LOVE being feminine and even enjoying cock on some level.

I have stripped away the things that a woman attaches her power to for many reasons.  Take an attractive woman and take that away from her and you have some fairly profound stuff going on.  Make her attend an event with people she is meeting the first time and not let her shower for a week and wear crap from a thriftstore.  This isn't for amateurs as you are starting to play/work with someone on a very deep level.  Or make her engage people in ways that let her discover that she can be responded to positively without "spreading her legs" in a figurative sense can be very very empowering.  But the risks of things going really really bad are MUCH higher and both parties better be ready for that.

Bottom line, taking things away from people they think they need/are/want or forcing them to do things they shouldn't/won't/can't do can be very powerful and hot.  It is also some of the most risky play out there and I wager causes far more accidents than the things most people wring their hands over.




SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 2:32:01 PM)

Maybe it would awaken someone to how the "other half lives", so to speak? I got the impression that was not the reason this guy was doing it, though. As a turn on who am I to say if it's right or wrong if you (like you said) really (hopefully) know someone and thus thier psychological limits.

- Susan




CrappyDom -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 2:46:08 PM)

Susan,

Perhaps I should have said clearly that what this guy is doing to a young girl is criminal on many many levels.  I think he should have his teeth removed through the back of his head by a shotgun.  Young girls can't consent to this sort of shit, hell I don't think they should be able to screw up their bodies with tattoos till it starts to sag.

My post was to those who were discussing the concept removed from this idiots example.




SusanofO -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 3:14:45 PM)

He's being very extreme. Not to mention like mistoferin said - what if she decides she wants her teeth back someday?  I'd run - but that's just me. - Susan




SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 3:29:21 PM)

I agree...I too would run like hell from someone who expected me to go through such extreme body modifications. All kinds of red flags would be up and waving madly. That said, as far as I know, the blog entry I read that inspired this post is a fantasy/story, but it's something that someone COULD want, it could happen. You never know. People are people and everybody has their own desires, perversions(acceptable, extreme, over the top). People want different things and get turned on, get their power fed, embrace, like, and need different things.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 5:43:19 PM)

Trust me, there are slaves out there who would be fine with this action.  When I was with my past owner, he was dead set on getting my clitoris removed one day.  When I was with him, I accepted that as a possible reality.  




SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 6:16:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Trust me, there are slaves out there who would be fine with this action.  When I was with my past owner, he was dead set on getting my clitoris removed one day.  When I was with him, I accepted that as a possible reality.  


Oh I believe it. As I said people want different things, get turned on by different things, etc. and I wasn't just referring to Dominants. I meant all people. I don't and won't go to such extremes, but that's me and not everybody.




cynthiamarie -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 6:47:19 PM)

I can understand this better...being stripped down to just a person.  I would worry about the extreme body modification...how would she handle her new body if he decided he didn't want her after a few years?  How could she work without having her self-esteem further destroyed?

As for this *grins*:
quote:

The question I wonder about is would a woman find DEFEMNIZATION exciting.

If I were to defeminize a woman she would have to:

Wear no makeup
Cut her hair short
No dresses or skirts
For formalwear she'd always have to wear a tie.
Maybe her breasts would have to be tied down.
Mabye she would have to talk more deeply.
She'd have all the manly chores too: lawn mowing, gutter cleaning, etc.
I might also require her to memorize sports statistics and follow a sports league.
She would not be allowed to drink wine.
She's have to lean how to play poker, and participate in a regular game.
She would be subject to "silent days" where she could only speak for the length of one sentence at a time. Nodding and one word answers in lieu of that.
She'd lift weights.
She'd cuss.

Basically, I think it could be a very interesting project.

Needless to say tomboys are much more accepted than femboys. Roles for girls are just that much more expansive.

BTW: Who doesn't love Tomboys?

P.S. I am sad to report this is my 1,000nth post. Does this mean I need to get a life?


I'm not bi, but this got to me. [;)]

I'm not a male, SusanofO *grins*, but I made a selfdiscovery and fessed up anyway. [:D]




AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 7:09:58 PM)

This is a very good question and the feedback, opinions, and answers have been great and hopefully alot of help.

Personally I agree that it does seem to be nothing more than mutilation of a female done by a man who perhaps resents women or the femininity of women (perhaps he might even be jealous of her femininity).

In most cases what the Owner wants should be obeyed, but once demoralizing, mutilation, and physical changes are required then it should be left up to the slave's decision if they want to allow these things to be done to them. Yes everyone has personal rights, even a slave, because the requests or commands must be within reason. Would you want to obey if your Owner asked you to jump off a cliff or rob a bank? Of course not. Politely talk your way out of it. (Begging always helps).

Remember: Safe, Sane, and Consential

Submit with respect, and be respected for your submission.





LadyHugs -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 7:59:40 PM)

Dear SweetSarijane, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
I am of the times where what you are calling 'defeminization' was a common practice however, I must say--that gaining weight to an unhealthy level was contrary to what I've ever heard and or witnessed.
 
Now, I have been exposed to the Lesbian community, to which defeminization is common, as to become more masculine.  I've also witnessed women who in pursuit of 'gender reassignment' have taken external measures to defeminize themselves as to appear more masculine.
 
There have been needs by Masters/Mistresses to practice defeminization, when their slave/submissive focus on external beauty and being so gaudy, as to outshine the dominant.  I will add, that those who are into 'service' etiquette and or protocols dictate that servants did not wear clothes as to attract other's eyes to them and were 'uniformed.'  The hostess/host and the guests were to be the ones to be noticed, yet; the party would never be a success without slaves, submissives and servants.
 
Indeed, those slaves that are stripped of external beauty accessories are put into a more primal and unmasked and not enhanced by beauty products.  The body natural, nude and such was extremely difficult for novices in the past, as society was more prudish than we see today.  Now, people are more comfortable in their skin after the "Flower Power" days.  Those who sport scars and other injuries, especially women when men put pressure on 'beauty' also find themselves extremely self conscious and so worried about external judgments of their peers and the community at large.  People with disabilities who submit also have problems in being their primal self.  In addition to slaves, submissives and or servants who wear what can be considered 'luxury' items; was not showing a simplistic beauty--that which comes from within.
 
Each defeminization situation that I was exposed to, was not for humiliation but, to have those resisting/stubborn slaves be put into a position of returning to a more natural state.  Each gift of a piece of clothing, jewelry was an honor and not an expectation--a luxury and or treat, gift and such and not taken for granted.  These items were earned.
 
Now, I know it is a old fad that has reawakened, to shave eyebrows and cut eye lashes.  This was a fashion in the mid-1970s.  This fad also goes back to the old court fashions in France, to which in the 1600-1799 circa, bathing was not done routinely.  So, critters infesting the hair, caused the need to remove such.  Thus pubic hair was plucked, eyebrows plucked, eye lashes plucked and hair shaved off.  A wig was used as well as accents of 'beauty marks' to cover the pock marks in their skin.  Head lice and body lice inflicted the poor, to whom did not have the luxury of being groomed in such a manner.
 
During the American Civil  War (1861-1865-6); defeminization by some women was practiced, as to join the military on both sides.  Not much is known about such women as, they often were not discovered until they perished on the battlefield or were taken to medical tents for treatments.  I also recall, the TV Program on PBS, with the "History Detectives" covered this very thing, proving such as true and documented.
 
In the American West, there were several cases where women defeminized themselves as to earn a living as stage coach drivers.  Only after dying did the truth come out that what were for years considered men, were indeed women. 
 
So, I am not shocked by the defeminization issue.  I would stress that it should not be done as to inflict harm on the emotional, mental and or physical realm.  However, if it can strip one of all the add ons to the body as to appreciate the human body as it was intended to appear in it's primal state, at least in my mind's eye as a Master/Mistress--we see the inner beauty more than the exterior.  Sometimes dominants have to prove it by defeminization for a period of time; and the slaves experience it.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs




Caretakr -> RE: Defeminization (6/30/2006 8:30:24 PM)

Lady Hugs,

I've also used it to objectify slaves down to base levels. There is something to be said for having someone be able to look upon themselves as just being "meat" before a Sadist.




SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (7/1/2006 9:23:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cynthiamarie

I can understand this better...being stripped down to just a person.  I would worry about the extreme body modification...how would she handle her new body if he decided he didn't want her after a few years?  How could she work without having her self-esteem further destroyed?





Being stripped down to just a person, I also can understand and relate to.

I have the same thoughts on such extreme body modification.
What if the relationship didn't last?
How would she handle being on her own in such a condition?
Would she be able to get work and support herself?
So many questions over that aspect.

I know it was just a story, but what if???




SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (7/1/2006 9:25:20 PM)

Thank you Lady Hugs. I learned things I didn't know historically speaking. I very much appreciate your input.




SweetSarijane -> RE: Defeminization (7/1/2006 9:30:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves


In most cases what the Owner wants should be obeyed, but once demoralizing, mutilation, and physical changes are required then it should be left up to the slave's decision if they want to allow these things to be done to them. Yes everyone has personal rights, even a slave, because the requests or commands must be within reason. Would you want to obey if your Owner asked you to jump off a cliff or rob a bank? Of course not. Politely talk your way out of it. (Begging always helps).





This is where I'm at. Submission/slavery still doesn't mean you have to accept and allow such extremes unless you truly desire that. A Dom who required such things to me is not taking care of his sub/slave and having her best interests at heart, not this extreme anyway. Permanent modifications like these need a lot of deep thinking before undertaking them. One better be very sure before, cause there's little liklihood of getting it undone if you change your mind.




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