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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 8:34:06 PM

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Given the contempt President Obama and his administration have displayed for free expression and a free press, it is probably best that it came down the way it did.

I just hope the judge uses the word, "consecutively," when the sentence comes down.

You seem to be speaking at cross purposes here -- or do you mean concurrently?

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 8:39:09 PM

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Governments classify information for a reason.

Tell me why this video was classified?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

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for background:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/45975/collateral-murder-youtube-video-u-s-apache-attack-at-heart-of-bradley-manning-trial

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 8:44:47 PM

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Guess what... it wasn't...at least according to this Times magazine article on Manning. That particular video was NOT classified information.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 9:07:03 PM

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Given the contempt President Obama and his administration have displayed for free expression and a free press, it is probably best that it came down the way it did.

I just hope the judge uses the word, "consecutively," when the sentence comes down.

You seem to be speaking at cross purposes here -- or do you mean concurrently?

No. I mean consecutively - as in one after another, on each of the 19 charges he was convicted on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_(law)

Anybody know if that number includes the charges he had already pled guilty on?

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 9:35:25 PM

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You seem to be speaking at cross purposes here

I can see where my comment might confuzzle those of the Alinsky school, or who allow practioners of such to steer their attitudes. Nuance and complexity don't translate well into, "all the angels on one side - all the devils on the other.

I think what Manning did was a contemptible crime, and betrayal of his country and his oath. He should be locked away for many years. The established facts of what he did and his motivations for doing so don't qualify him as a leaker or whistleblower to my way of thinking, but just a self-centered attention seeking punk who did a giant data dump of unvetted material, and his punishment should serve as a warning to any who might emulate him.

At the same time, I'm greatly troubled by the other revelations of how this administration looks at the press, and the people. Even though Manning's actions probaly did result in aid to the enemy, I've come to a place of believing such a broad interpretation of that charge would not be healthy for a free society.

So yes. I'm glad the verdicts came down the way they did, and now he should go spend the rest of life on whatever sort of punitive regime they are running at Leavenworth these days.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 11:05:23 PM

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Frankly, I think Manning and Snowden should both be shot as traitors.

KEEP CALM

Does any one else see the contradiction here?

Please take your own advice SD.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/30/2013 11:16:31 PM

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The purpose of the press is to tell the people when the government is lying to them.

That is what happened. And, no, you don't have to like it. There is always someone who doesn't like it. But the purpose of this country is not victory, it's freedom. Those who would sacrificed freedom to win... hold on. What is it we are trying to win?

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 12:03:59 AM

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The purpose of the press is to tell the people when the government is lying to them.

That is what happened. And, no, you don't have to like it. There is always someone who doesn't like it. But the purpose of this country is not victory, it's freedom. Those who would sacrificed freedom to win... hold on. What is it we are trying to win?

Um... no, that is NOT what happened. Wikileaks is not on trial, and technically they are not "the press".

PFC Manning is definitely not a member of the press. He was a member of the military who abused his security clearance to publicize classified documents.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 5:31:32 AM

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Reuters asked for the video and did not get it because it was classified.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 5:33:33 AM

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There doesn't seem to be any difference between you and the Obama administration here. Why make the Obama comment at all?

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 6:02:43 AM

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Which is a far cry from treason.

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The purpose of the press is to tell the people when the government is lying to them.

That is what happened. And, no, you don't have to like it. There is always someone who doesn't like it. But the purpose of this country is not victory, it's freedom. Those who would sacrificed freedom to win... hold on. What is it we are trying to win?

Um... no, that is NOT what happened. Wikileaks is not on trial, and technically they are not "the press".

PFC Manning is definitely not a member of the press. He was a member of the military who abused his security clearance to publicize classified documents.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 6:05:53 AM

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I'd wait for the sentencing before getting too happy. He's facing something like 120 years if the judge gives him the maximum on each count.

I didn't say he should go free. I just didn't feel that his crimes (they were crimes) added up to treason.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 6:10:55 AM

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The purpose of the press is to tell the people when the government is lying to them.

That is what happened. And, no, you don't have to like it. There is always someone who doesn't like it. But the purpose of this country is not victory, it's freedom. Those who would sacrificed freedom to win... hold on. What is it we are trying to win?

Um... no, that is NOT what happened. Wikileaks is not on trial, and technically they are not "the press".

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Why would you say that wikileaks is not "The Press"?

Their job was to disseminate information and they did so.
That is what "The Press" does.

Wikileaks is TECHNICALLY a damn better representative of "The Press" than FOX or MSNBC which are simply propaganda arms of their respective parties.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 6:29:06 AM

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There doesn't seem to be any difference between you and the Obama administration here. Why make the Obama comment at all?

First SimplyMichael runs from my questions and the premise of my concerns on the Benghazi thread, and you say he's winning the argument, now this nonsense?

AP phone records? Rosen? The CBS reporter who had her computer hacked? There is a picture in there, for those who are willing to see it. This is Hoover and Nixon shit, and should not be further empowered in any way.

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RE: Pfc. Bradley Manning acquitted of aiding the enemy - 7/31/2013 6:41:52 AM

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Ken why have oaths if they mean nothing? If all he released just embarrassed the US was it worth doing? Is embarrassing someone whistle blowing?

He broke an oath to his country that hundreds of thousands of men and women died honoring. He is a worthless piece of shit that deserves everything he gets.

There were and are many ways to of let his voice and displeasure with his country be known without giving away secrets...many of which were not controversial in any way.

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Nazi's took oaths too. Those were to obey all of the laws of the Reich. So everything Hitler did was legal and any exposure disliked by the Fuhrer...were a violation of those new laws.

That is how fascism starts...make the exercise of what were your constitutional rights...a crime. Ready for a new Bill of Rights ?

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