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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie . . .

When did that happen, Powergamz? I didn't see that.

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The 'Zimmerman was racially profiling' and 'Zimmerman was a racist' claim was made here in this thread repeatedly, long after the media was caught fabricating tapes etc.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie . . .

When did that happen, Powergamz? I didn't see that.

And when you keep your eyes shut - you never will. Its not much of an arguement tho.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The 'Zimmerman was racially profiling' and 'Zimmerman was a racist' claim was made here in this thread repeatedly, long after the media was caught fabricating tapes etc.

So, these things, for you, prove that he wasn't a racist?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie, is certainty operating from some suspect agenda.

There was no 'These N***s always get away' on the tape, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There was no 'Hello police, I want to report a black man in my neighborhood', that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There were no 80 something phone calls from Zimmerman to the police in the previous 11 months complaining about black people, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie.

And there was no such thing as 'white Zimmerman', that (complete with lightened pictures) was proven to be a deliberate media lie. He is brown skinned and of African descent, as is President Obama.

After all of that was debunked, the 'racist Zimmerman' meme was kept alive by StormFront and other white supremacist websites. and fed back into the internet.

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Laughable stuff regards anyone who thinks Zimmerman was using racial profilling must be racist.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie, is certainty operating from some suspect agenda.

There was no 'These N***s always get away' on the tape, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There was no 'Hello police, I want to report a black man in my neighborhood', that was proven to be a deliberate media lie. There were no 80 something phone calls from Zimmerman to the police in the previous 11 months complaining about black people, that was proven to be a deliberate media lie.

And there was no such thing as 'white Zimmerman', that (complete with lightened pictures) was proven to be a deliberate media lie. He is brown skinned and of African descent, as is President Obama.

After all of that was debunked, the 'racist Zimmerman' meme was kept alive by StormFront and other white supremacist websites. and fed back into the internet.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Laughable stuff regards anyone who thinks Zimmerman was using racial profilling must be racist.

Says the man with his own agenda.

Your convoluted thinking on racism here is laughable. On the one hand you spout off about Zimmerman and his colour, neatly avoiding the fact that very same "Racists" as you obnoxiously put it, are defending Martin, who is black.

Fucking laughable. I am sure others have spotted the flaw in your argument, which I suspect is more to do with your anti European stance.

And a heads up on world history.... We are all of African descent.

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Even those dead Indians that you claim were never massacred by the Brits? That's not an anti-Euro bias, but an anti-massacre bias....

And you give yourself away incontrovertibly by the fact that you can't even tell the difference between concern for human life (despite your beliefs to the contrary, those people were human beings) and 'former colonials', daring to disagree with your revisionist history.

And I've defended Martin here as much as anyone who wasn't willing to lie to join the lynch mob.

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Even those dead Indians that you claim were never massacred by the Brits? That's not an anti-Euro bias, but an anti-massacre bias....

And you give yourself away incontrovertibly by the fact that you can't even tell the difference between concern for human life (despite your beliefs to the contrary, those people were human beings) and 'former colonials', daring to disagree with your revisionist history.

And I've defended Martin here as much as anyone who wasn't willing to lie to join the lynch mob.

Personal attacks again, how quaint.

I asked you before which Indians you meant but got no reply, as I said then, if its the "Smallpox blankets" try reading what I said on the issue.

As for my beliefs, you havent got a fucking clue what they are, just what you wish them to be.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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The 'Zimmerman was racially profiling' and 'Zimmerman was a racist' claim was made here in this thread repeatedly, long after the media was caught fabricating tapes etc.

So, these things, for you, prove that he wasn't a racist?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Somehow or another, denial when called on your denier games, just isn't that compelling.

But feel free to go running for whatever relief you need from being 'personally attacked' by having your own words thrown back into your face.

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I never claimed he wasn't a racist. I'm not a mind reader, and I've asked repeatedly why those who claim to know what is in Zimmerman's head haven't taken *their* mind reading skills over to the JREF to collect the $1 million prize.

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I never claimed he wasn't a racist. I'm not a mind reader, and I've asked repeatedly why those who claim to know what is in Zimmerman's head haven't taken *their* mind reading skills over to the JREF to collect the $1 million prize.

I asked because, for the first time that I've heard of, a negative was proven on these boards. Nigh on possible - completely impossible, according to some.

As far as I'm concerned it's next to impossible to 'prove' that someone is either a racist, or not a racist. I can't be bothered to go down that path.

Yet, it *is* possible to develop a strong feeling one way or the other. My own feelings have changed, a lot, at different times of my life. It was only when I did some teaching in further education (i.e. of 16-18 year olds) I didn't realise just how *big* black kids came. Six-foot teenaged boys. Weird. But then realised that these were still boys who were awkward, clumsy, trying to be cool, couldn't hit it off with girls and didn't know how . . . and so on. We all know teenaged boys. We males, at least, all were teenaged boys, once. Twats, basically. Well, I know I was.

Zimmerman should have known this. Any mature man should have. A silly teenaged boy *will* do silly things to 'defend his honour' and 'not lose face'. I picked fights with giant bouncers at that age - but they remembered themselves at my age, then, and didn't crush me as they could have done, easily. I was a twat. They remembered that they were twats at my age. I think that's why I wasn't pummeled.

Silly 17 year old girls go out and do stupid things that lead to rape or worse. Silly 17 year old boys get into insane fights. I do think black boys get 'sized up' as way more dangerous than they are. I've not seen the slightest thing about Zimmerman that's suggested that he was above that. He *could* have seen a stroppy teenaged kid with attitude and realised that the situation should have been handled one way rather than the other.

17 year old boys should not be killed for what 17 year old boys ordinarily are and can't much help being. It isn't civilised. Actually, it's quite cuntish, IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I never claimed he wasn't a racist. I'm not a mind reader, and I've asked repeatedly why those who claim to know what is in Zimmerman's head haven't taken *their* mind reading skills over to the JREF to collect the $1 million prize.

I asked because, for the first time that I've heard of, a negative was proven on these boards. Nigh on possible - completely impossible, according to some.

As far as I'm concerned it's next to impossible to 'prove' that someone is either a racist, or not a racist. I can't be bothered to go down that path.

Yet, it *is* possible to develop a strong feeling one way or the other. My own feelings have changed, a lot, at different times of my life. It was only when I did some teaching in further education (i.e. of 16-18 year olds) I didn't realise just how *big* black kids came. Six-foot teenaged boys. Weird. But then realised that these were still boys who were awkward, clumsy, trying to be cool, couldn't hit it off with girls and didn't know how . . . and so on. We all know teenaged boys. We males, at least, all were teenaged boys, once. Twats, basically. Well, I know I was.

Zimmerman should have known this. Any mature man should have. A silly teenaged boy *will* do silly things to 'defend his honour' and 'not lose face'. I picked fights with giant bouncers at that age - but they remembered themselves at my age, then, and didn't crush me as they could have done, easily. I was a twat. They remembered that they were twats at my age. I think that's why I wasn't pummeled.

Silly 17 year old girls go out and do stupid things that lead to rape or worse. Silly 17 year old boys get into insane fights. I do think black boys get 'sized up' as way more dangerous than they are. I've not seen the slightest thing about Zimmerman that's suggested that he was above that. He *could* have seen a stroppy teenaged kid with attitude and realised that the situation should have been handled one way rather than the other.

17 year old boys should not be killed for what 17 year old boys ordinarily are and can't much help being. It isn't civilised. Actually, it's quite cuntish, IMO.

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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie, is certainty operating from some suspect agenda.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I'm very sorry if I've got you wrong, Powergamz, but when you said:

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Anyone who continues to promote the meme that Zimmerman was racist after it has been proven a lie, is certainty operating from some suspect agenda.

. . . I thought you were saying, in short, that it had been proven that Zimmerman was not a racist. So, I was incorrect there, then?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

I never claimed he wasn't a racist. I'm not a mind reader, and I've asked repeatedly why those who claim to know what is in Zimmerman's head haven't taken *their* mind reading skills over to the JREF to collect the $1 million prize.

I asked because, for the first time that I've heard of, a negative was proven on these boards. Nigh on possible - completely impossible, according to some.

As far as I'm concerned it's next to impossible to 'prove' that someone is either a racist, or not a racist. I can't be bothered to go down that path.

Yet, it *is* possible to develop a strong feeling one way or the other. My own feelings have changed, a lot, at different times of my life. It was only when I did some teaching in further education (i.e. of 16-18 year olds) I didn't realise just how *big* black kids came. Six-foot teenaged boys. Weird. But then realised that these were still boys who were awkward, clumsy, trying to be cool, couldn't hit it off with girls and didn't know how . . . and so on. We all know teenaged boys. We males, at least, all were teenaged boys, once. Twats, basically. Well, I know I was.

Zimmerman should have known this. Any mature man should have. A silly teenaged boy *will* do silly things to 'defend his honour' and 'not lose face'. I picked fights with giant bouncers at that age - but they remembered themselves at my age, then, and didn't crush me as they could have done, easily. I was a twat. They remembered that they were twats at my age. I think that's why I wasn't pummeled.

Silly 17 year old girls go out and do stupid things that lead to rape or worse. Silly 17 year old boys get into insane fights. I do think black boys get 'sized up' as way more dangerous than they are. I've not seen the slightest thing about Zimmerman that's suggested that he was above that. He *could* have seen a stroppy teenaged kid with attitude and realised that the situation should have been handled one way rather than the other.

17 year old boys should not be killed for what 17 year old boys ordinarily are and can't much help being. It isn't civilised. Actually, it's quite cuntish, IMO.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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A photo from the Houston pro-Zimmerman counter-rally of the NBPP anti-Zimmerman rally picked up by the AP shows a woman holding a sign that read, “Racist & Proud.”

That looked incongruent with the other reports from the pro-Zimmerman side.
The Houston Chronicle identified her as Renee Vaughan:

Scanning the internet we found that a “Renee Vaughn” from Austin worked for a far left environmental group, the Texas Campaign for the Environment.

Renee even has her photo linked to a far left environmental website.

The article has an update -

UPDATE: Brandon Darby interviewed Renee Vaughan at the rally. She told him her sign means that “there are people here who are racist and apparently think that’s OK. I’m not one of them. I’m being sarcastic.”


Fanning the flames. How nice [:-] and bullshit to her sarcasm. She got caught.

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I won't go so far as to say that the findings "prove" he wasn't a racist, but the FBI, The Sanford PD and a jury all found that there was no racial basis on Z's behalf the night of the incident.

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I won't go so far as to say that the findings "prove" he wasn't a racist, but the FBI, The Sanford PD and a jury all found that there was no racial basis on Z's behalf the night of the incident.

Pointing out the difference between what Zimmerman WAS and what he DID. His actions are subject to law, but his beliefs aren't. As if the facts of his actions didn't create enough uncertainty, people are now claiming to know his mind.