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Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:08:13 PM)
I would say elitism. Holder's going to have his armed protection if the rest of us have to go back to 'may issue', and 'duty to retreat', standards. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux I believe that the Attorney General and others are keeping this case alive - because its preferable to the alternative. By doing so they a). Motivate their voters b). Distract media attention from the IRS, Benghazi, EPA, Detroit, and other scandals. The democrats prior to this had a serious excitement gap. This is ginning up support in their minority communities. And democrats usually lose the white vote, so the odds are that it will not cost them much among their core constitutencies, of gay, union, jewish, hispanic etc. I think you're partially correct, but I also strongly suspect, and this suspicion gets stronger every day, that the main impetus for Obama/Holder is Gun control. Everything else is just an added bonus. Remember, every calamity is also an opportunity. Everything else makes it easier to get the things he wants, like gun control, Martin? A martyr to the cause, not of equality but of liberalism.

Arturas -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:21:19 PM)
quote: The idea that jury verdict ends the matter isn't true If the matter is of George's innocence, it did. If the matter is something else then it is something else. It's amazing how simple things really are.

Arturas -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:24:07 PM)
[quote believe that the Attorney General and others are keeping this case alive ][/quote] There is no "case". The trial is over. Things really are that simple.

cloudboy -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:27:02 PM)
quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:29:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: The idea that jury verdict ends the matter isn't true If the matter is of George's innocence, it did. If the matter is something else then it is something else. It's amazing how simple things really are. Of course it is something else. It is that Martin was 17 legally meaningless but emotionally powerful It is that some people assume victimhood every time It is that others see no difference in you shooting an intruder and him shooting you Some even believe that the only reason the intruder would hurt you is that you are armed Some believe the often repeated never seen gunfights in the streets if the peasants (us) are allowed weapons.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:30:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness. He attacked Zimmerman supported by the evidence and Zimmerman was armed . You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot.

Politesub53 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 3:49:44 AM)
"The closest thing to en eye witness " Either one is an eye witness or one isnt.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 4:30:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness. He attacked Zimmerman supported by the evidence and Zimmerman was armed . You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 4:34:44 AM)
Do you seriously think that anyone is going to fall for that crap? The testimony of the eyewitness that saw Martin on top was excluded by the judge? Pure nonsense. And your lie about them being neighbors, hundreds of miles apart, is simply pathetic Your zeal to lynch a brown skinned man has you foaming at the mouth, and barking at the moon. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness. He attacked Zimmerman supported by the evidence and Zimmerman was armed . You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened.

DaddySatyr -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 4:44:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened. If St. Trayvon had answered: "Oh. Hey, man, my dad's girlfriend lives right over at ______________. I'm staying there for a few days", things would have gone differently. I'm the kind of person that introduces myself around on those rare occasions, when I move and I welcome new people to the neighborhood, when I see them moving in. I know who lives in my neighborhood. So, there have been times when I've walked up to people and said something along the lines of: "Are you looking for a specific house?" and, if they look like they're taking a really hard look at any one house in particular (a couple of times, it was my place), I've even said: "Does something in there belong to you or something?" If Trayvon hadn't been trying to prove how manly he was, things would have gone differently, too. Also ... ... and if the queen of England had balls, she'd be king. God save the queen, Michael

DarkSteven -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 4:46:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened. I really dislike BamaD's term "the closest thing to an eyewitness." The guy WAS an eyewitness, but his vision was not good due to the rain and the darkness. The evidence was presented in testimony, and the prosecution did not object (and would have been out of order in suppressing an eyewitness' testimony), and there was no objection for the judge to sustain. Had Martin been in Cleveland at the time, none of this would have happened either. There were numerous things which happened, under the control of each, that led to the fatal shooting. Picking out only those that Zimmerman did is one-sided.

Raiikun -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 5:30:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness. He attacked Zimmerman supported by the evidence and Zimmerman was armed . You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened. There's one other, more important, thing that matters. If Trayvon had not punched someone in the nose, then proceeded to continue to deliver head injuries to him, or at the very least let him go once he was begging for help, Trayvon would still be alive today.

DaddySatyr -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 5:30:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I really dislike BamaD's term "the closest thing to an eyewitness." The guy WAS an eyewitness, but his vision was not good due to the rain and the darkness. The evidence was presented in testimony, and the prosecution did not object (and would have been out of order in suppressing an eyewitness' testimony), and there was no objection for the judge to sustain. Had Martin been in Cleveland at the time, none of this would have happened either. There were numerous things which happened, under the control of each, that led to the fatal shooting. Picking out only those that Zimmerman did is one-sided. I think that may be because; from all the testimony offered at trial, NO ONE was actually looking at the precise moment of the shot. The eyewitness' vision not being good is also a factor but, having admitted that, openly, he kind of boosted his own credibility so that when he said "I definitely saw ..." (or whatever the quote is), the jury took that on face value. Drive faster, Mr. Magoo

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 5:38:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy quote: He attacked an armed man, big mistake According to Z, the lone eye witness. He attacked Zimmerman supported by the evidence and Zimmerman was armed . You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened. Yes it was entered. If Martin had any advice from his parents he wouldn't have gotten into a car with a stranger, particularly one he had profiled as a creepy ass cracker perv Most likely it would have moved the violence up.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 5:42:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You seem to forget that the closest thing to an eye witness saw Martin beating him BEFORE being shot. That's funny, since no evidence of that had been entered, and every time the Defense tried to suggest it, the Judge sustained the objection. Again, the only thing that matters is one simple thing: IF George Zimmerman had offered his neighbor a ride home out of the rain that night, none of this would have happened. I really dislike BamaD's term "the closest thing to an eyewitness." The guy WAS an eyewitness, but his vision was not good due to the rain and the darkness. The evidence was presented in testimony, and the prosecution did not object (and would have been out of order in suppressing an eyewitness' testimony), and there was no objection for the judge to sustain. Had Martin been in Cleveland at the time, none of this would have happened either. There were numerous things which happened, under the control of each, that led to the fatal shooting. Picking out only those that Zimmerman did is one-sided. I understand your dislike for the term. I used it because he saw much of the confrontation he did not see the beginning of it. You can extrapolate from what he saw that it was Martin who started the fight, in fact it is hard to come to any other conclusion but he did not actually see it.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 5:44:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I really dislike BamaD's term "the closest thing to an eyewitness." The guy WAS an eyewitness, but his vision was not good due to the rain and the darkness. The evidence was presented in testimony, and the prosecution did not object (and would have been out of order in suppressing an eyewitness' testimony), and there was no objection for the judge to sustain. Had Martin been in Cleveland at the time, none of this would have happened either. There were numerous things which happened, under the control of each, that led to the fatal shooting. Picking out only those that Zimmerman did is one-sided. I think that may be because; from all the testimony offered at trial, NO ONE was actually looking at the precise moment of the shot. The eyewitness' vision not being good is also a factor but, having admitted that, openly, he kind of boosted his own credibility so that when he said "I definitely saw ..." (or whatever the quote is), the jury took that on face value. Drive faster, Mr. Magoo You understood the reason behind my choice of words.

thompsonx -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 7:24:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: United States v. Lanza, 260 U.S. 377 (1922). I defer, of course, to the Supreme Court on the letter of the law. In terms of its spirit, though, the sudden "discovery" that Zimmerman may have violated federal civil rights law honestly does strike me as an instance of "If at first you don't convict, try, try again" (to borrow from Robert Matz). Kinda like the civil prosecution of oj.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 7:33:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: United States v. Lanza, 260 U.S. 377 (1922). I defer, of course, to the Supreme Court on the letter of the law. In terms of its spirit, though, the sudden "discovery" that Zimmerman may have violated federal civil rights law honestly does strike me as an instance of "If at first you don't convict, try, try again" (to borrow from Robert Matz). Kinda like the civil prosecution of oj. You miss the point OJ was sued by the Goldman family, not a government agency.

mnottertail -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 7:35:06 AM)
It was no sudden discovery.

BamaD -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/22/2013 7:37:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail It was no sudden discovery. That too.

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